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1 posted on 03/09/2017 9:52:39 PM PST by Old Yeller
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“The remedy for those who succumb to temptation is forgiveness and a fresh start,” Ivereigh told RNS. “The problem is when priests turn their backs on the people, lead hidden lives and end up justifying their conduct. That’s corruption.

“And it’s only possible in the priesthood because of clericalism. That’s why the pope is so intent on rooting it out.”

I’m not buying it. I think corruption is part and parcel of concupiscence. The idea that it only exists because of clericalism is ridiculous. Also, how can you have a clergy but not clericalism in some sense? How would he explain the “corruption” (according to his definition of “corruption”) among the laity? Certainly there is corruption among lay people. Yet there is no “clericalism” among lay people. There is, however, concupiscence.


2 posted on 03/09/2017 10:00:10 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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We MUST love Catholics enough to say the truth: we cannot stand by and see them lost!

Penance, and good deeds WILL NOT SAVE YOU!
Going to Mass WILL NOT SAVE YOU.
Mary will NOT SAVE YOU!
Baptism will NOT SAVE YOU: look at the thief on the cross- did he say a rosary? Was he baptized?

The ONLY thing that will save you is repentance of your sins, and calling upon the Son of God, Jesus the Christ.
Remember on Calvary, when Christ said, “It is finished!”, the veil of the temple was torn from TOP to BOTTOM. This means that YOU, yes you and me, have Direct Access to God, thru His Son, Jesus the Christ. You DO NOT need a priest to find eternal life!

Call upon Him right now. Test Him; He will speak to your heart...
“Dear Lord Jesus, help me. Show me Your truth. Help me to know You as Savior. Thank You, Holy Lord. I ask this in Your name; Jesus Lord and King. Amen”

http://www.pro-gospel.org/default.asp?sec_id=180014816


5 posted on 03/09/2017 10:13:42 PM PST by InkStone (Omni Vivum Ex Surfboard)
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Lurid accusations of priests involved in sex orgies, porn videos and prostitution have emerged from several parishes in Italy recently

When you have a calling which demands celibacy, you'll get the truly devoted and inspired who are willing to forego the pleasures of the body for spiritual reasons. You'll also get people with serious emotional problems involving sex, who try to escape those problems through celibacy, and often fail, with disastrous consequences.
7 posted on 03/09/2017 10:29:07 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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Who are we to judge? We must accompany and allow for discernment by these individuals... No need to mention anything as outdated as sin.


8 posted on 03/09/2017 11:06:13 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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Since his election the pope has taken a tough line on ethical behavior in the church though he has also recognized the reality of human imperfection and personal flaws.

ROFLMHO!!! Seriously??? The Heretic? The Pope who has lowered the punishment for molesters?

Francis has frequently called for a more rigorous screening process for seminarians...

Only to weed out the orthodox.

Austen Ivereigh...

One of Francis' biggest sycophants -- the last person to take seriously.

13 posted on 03/10/2017 4:53:27 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ. ~~~~ Appeasing evil is cowardice.)
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While all churches have some level of clergy giving in to concupiscence, it does seem that the Roman Catholic Church with its mandatory celibate unmarried clergy has a higher rate than any other churches. Shouldn’t the Roman Catholic people rise up and demand a church-wide review of the policy of a strictly celibate unmarried clergy?

Celibacy was not always the policy of the Roman Catholic Church. The Church was a thousand years old before it definitively took a stand in favor of celibacy in the twelfth century at the Second Lateran Council held in 1139, when a rule was approved forbidding priests to marry. I think whatever societal issues led to that decision should be reconsidered against the church and social structures in society today.

Do I think there is some connection between the institution of a supposedly celibate unmarried clergy and the rate of sexual abuses by that clergy? Yes. Why? They are human beings 1st and primarily, and you could say “in spite of their vows”.


20 posted on 03/10/2017 8:10:06 AM PST by Wuli
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