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Posted on 03/13/2017 8:58:52 AM PDT by ebb tide
The Roman Catholic Church has hardly been unwaveringly inerrant.
Ergo, it is quite possible for one conscience to be correct while the official stance of Church & tradition be wrong - see the current Pope, of which one may validly ask “is the Pope Catholic?” in earnest and not merely in rhetoric.
A prime example of Luther’s conscience being correct while standing alone against the whole of Church & tradition is the then-popular notion of “indulgences”: that one could literally wash away sin by paying the Church a bribe - something which the Church officially held true, and supported by whatever twisting of tradition could be applied. (Don’t tell me it was somehow not “ex cathedra” or some such, we’re talking the Church officially sanctioning the alleged literal ability of someone to bypass the Crucifixion with cash.) This being no longer an official stance of the Church & tradition points to the non-inerrancy thereof in the face of a single voice standing for an unpopular (and unprofitable) truth.
” it is troubling that Luther is now upheld as genuine reformer.”
I prefer being stuck with the errors of Luther, who did not consider himself infallible, to the errors of the current Pope.
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The reformation was a necessary occurrence. The corruption of Rome was so extreme that it sickened any one with a conscience.
I do not disagree with More. Henry abused the church for his own purposes.
Unity is not the goal. Preaching the gospel and bring in right relation with God is. The current pope exposes how wrong the church can be. I do not need spiritual direction from a communist
re: I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen.
Taking this one statement of Luther’s one could make a case that he held his conscience to be the ultimate authority. But you would have to ignore what he said leading up to this statement. Martin Luther placed Scripture as authority over the opinions of men, even if those men were the pope and the rest of the hierarchy of the church. His conscience was informed by God’s revelation in His written Word. It was not simply his opinion that he was spouting.
With the choice of Luther, or an organization that on one hand, teaches original sin, and on the other hand, states that an appointed nee annointed man, is declared infallible, I choose Luther.
And yet Luther altered scripture to his own liking. His erroneous conscience did take take precedence over all.
And yet Luther altered scripture to his own liking.
What do you mean by that? How did he alter Scripture?
And Alinsky chose Lucifer. What's your point?
For one thing, he tossed seven books out “his” bible.
HA!
So you get to define the terms of the “Teaching of the Church”?
Ex Cathedra means something.
The fact of Popes who failed in human conduct does not raise their failings to Doctrine.
Luther did NOT begin by fighting against the sale of indulgences, as that was an afterthought.
As noted in the article, Luther was promoting a new theology, which he at first insisted was in line with Catholic teaching.
In a 1516 letter he firmly acknowledged the primacy of the Pope and the authority of the Church and sought to debate certain matters with a Cardinal, asserting that he would concede to Church authority after having the debate.
Luther lost the debate, but rather than follow his promise he appealed to the Pope.
When the Pope refused his appeal he called for a ruling by some future Church Council.
Having failed in his final appeal, rather than stand by his earlier ascent to Church authority, he wrote on 11 Dec 1518, his belief that the anti-Christ was rules at the Papal Court.
You are referring to the Apocrypha: Tobit, Judith, 1st & 2nd Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach & Baruch.
Can you tell me what vital teachings or doctrine from God that those of us without these books in our Bibles are missing? It has been my observation that vital teachings from the Lord do not just show up once in the entire expanse of the Bible.
Really?
What has Pope Francis pronounced Ex Cathedra that you disagree with?
(Hint: Manmade Global Warming is not Doctrine)
I said, for one thing.
Just curious. Does the author of this article believe that the faithful members of the Roman Catholic church today should unquestioningly accept the authority of the current Pope, ignoring the things he says and does that are in violation of the Scriptures and the traditions of the Church?
For example, would it bother him that the Pope invited population control advocates (which includes abortion) to the Vatican?
See article http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3534268/posts Population Control Advocates Hobnob at the Vatican
“A recent pro-life report urges us to “resist” the “alignment” between Church authorities and this international anti-life agenda. The UN’s Sustainable Development Goals, approved by “Pope Francis and other organs of the Holy See,” require “universal access” to abortion and contraception and related “education”—proliferating initiatives “to gain direct access to children,” whether through pro-abortion youth clubs or radical “comprehensive sexuality education” for children aged “0 – 4” and above. The Vatican’s own 2015 workshop on using children as environmentalist “agents of change” said schools must “absorb” the SDGs.”
Whatever his good intentions may have been, he lead the rebellion against the western half of Christ's Body.
And thanks to his work and efforts, that western half quickly began disintegrating into splinters, and eventually making the great apostasy our new age reality.
Now our pride has us ensnared in Satan's traps while we keep building upon the sins of the past.
How do we now undo the damage that we and our ancestors have done to His Body?
I don't think we can, because we like our division too much.
We like knowing that "we are right and they are wrong" and we will fight to the death if necessary to prove how right we are.
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