Posted on 11/20/2017 7:50:50 AM PST by Salvation
Somehow; this rich man didn't get the message...
Luke 16:19-31
19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
*8Jesus didn’t teach anything on hell.**
This is a mistaken idea.
The word, hell, (or another word that means hell) is in the Bible more than the word, heaven, is.
Check it out:
hell, netherworld, underworld, Sheol, Gehenna, Hades, place of darkness, etc.
Thanks for that verse, Elsie.
Another good story.
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All we need is the word of God.
Hell is!
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God is eternal, but so is the bride of Yeshua!
(and so is the punishment of Yeshua’s enemies; the Bible tells me so!)
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That’s my point. Reputable translations don’t translate Sheol, Tartarus, or Hades as hell.
Elsie, Lk. 16 doesn’t have Gehenna in it, but Hades, and they’re not the same.
Nevertheless they are the places of forgotten souls doomed for eternity to darkness.
We need to think like God thinks here....not how we as humans tend to think.
From the Catholic Dictionary:
HADES
Definition
In Greek religion the god of the underworld; consequently the kingdom ruled over by Hades, or the abode of the dead. In the Bible the Greek translation of the Hebrew sheol, also meaning the abode of the dead, or death, or the power of destruction, or the place of the wicked after death. (Etym. Greek Haid_s, the nether world.)
.” In all of the Gehenna passages taken together, the only people on the planet threatened with Gehenna were Judean Jews in Jesus’ generation. No one else; not folks in Asia Minor, nor Americans in our time, were ever threatened with Gehenna.
He warned them to flee Jerusalem to the mountains! Our Lord told them to escape, and the faithful Jews did! Escape from Gehenna was possible! Thus, in Matthew 23:33-36, Jesus warned the Jews that their very generation (and no other) was headed for the judgment in Gehenna, and in 24:34, He said it would occur in His generation (not in any other). He warned them (not us) in 24:15-16 to watch for the sign of His coming, and flee to the mountains. In Luke 21:26, Luke’s account of the same discourse, Jesus warned: “But watch ye at every season, making supplication, that ye may prevail to escape all these things that shall come to pass” (Luke 21:26).
I’m sorry, but that’s just not true. I’m aware that the Roman Catholic church translates them all with hell, but that’s just an assumption.
Eternity and eternal are not Greek concepts. That was not known at the time of Christ. Such a philosophy, Platonic in origin, was foreign to humanity at that time. Research the origin of those Latin words, eternal and its variations, and you will find they additions to the word of God.
The original Writings, where we get our bible translations from, do not contain any word that warrants being translated as “Eternal” You err considerably by failing to know Greek and the what the Greek word aionios means.
Also, assigning the English word ‘hell” to the Vale of Hinom (Gehenna), and with two radically different words, Tatarus and sheol, is a great error that should be refuted in all cases where they arise in conversation.
The Scriptures do not support your proposal, seriously. God chose the Greek language to express and reveal Himself. Therefore, consider that carefully. He did not use the mongrel English language for a reason.
Thanks for the quote from Matthew.
It’s not eternal as it was created so has a beginning.
It can have no end, but it still isn’t eternal.
Sin must be cleansed from the soul before death and the only thing that does it is the blood of Jesus Christ. It must be forgiven by God. It cannot be eradicated in any other way.
Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Good job. A+ answer.
Thank you.
Have a blessed Thanksgiving.
You are quite welcome Sal. I am utterly amazed at some of the stuff I am reading here. Things like getting sins burned away. I don’t buy it. MM is right. The ONLY way, on God’s green earth, to have one’s sins “ burned away,” if someone wants to use that term, is by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. There simply is NO OTHER WAY.
Sal, I saw your definition of Sheol, and Hades. I think I agree. They mean the same thing it’s just one is Hebrew, and one is Greek, but mean the realm of the unsaved, spiritually dead souls of the wicked. Here is my opinion. I tend to think that the only difference between Hades and the Lake of Fire, is that Hades is temporary, but the Lake of Fire is permanent. Sal, I think we have discussed this before, that people are dying, every second of every day, and the vast majority of the people dying, fall like snow flakes into a Christless eternity, into hell fire and brimstone, from which there is NO escape, ever. The reason the Lake of Fire continues, is because, in Hell, sinners continue to sin. They don’t become better, they become worse. Just how much sinners in Hell, will be permitted to sin, is not clear, nor do I think it is important. What IS important, is telling people how they can avoid becoming a statistic, and assure their names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. Make sense?
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