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Is it possible that Jesus was born Today?
Grace thru faith ^ | September 16th, 2020 | Jack Kelley

Posted on 09/20/2020 6:51:07 AM PDT by MAAG

According to Luke 1:36 Mary conceived in the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy. That means that our Lord was conceived in late December and born in September. Are we inadvertently celebrating His conception at Christmas instead of His birth?

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: feastoftrumpets; roshhashanah
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The other places the Lord’s birth on Rosh Hashanah because according to Jewish tradition both the Earth and Adam were born on that day and the Lord is the “Last Adam” (1 Cor 15:45). For this reason as well as the prevalence of trumpets in its celebration (it’s also called The Feast of Trumpets)
1 posted on 09/20/2020 6:51:07 AM PDT by MAAG
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To: MAAG

On the other hand the record of the nativity in Luke states shepherds were abiding their flocks by night in the fields. This tended to happen ij the spring when lambs were born. So some would indicate that the nativity was in the spring and the annunciation was around this time in the fall.

I’m not sure the date matters as much as the truth that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us


2 posted on 09/20/2020 6:57:01 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: MAAG
No.

He was conceived on 03/25 and born on 12/25.

We know this by tracing the time when Zechariah was serving in the temple and the Archangel Gabriel appeared to him; we can pinpoint this time and determine the birthday of John the Baptist (06/24) and then the birth of the Messiah.

(Don't you worry; Christianity hasn't been wrong for two thousand years.)

3 posted on 09/20/2020 6:58:25 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("It always looks the darkest just before it gets totally black." - Charlie Brown)
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To: Captain Walker

He was conceived on 03/25 and born on 12/25.


I have it on good authority the time was 3am for the former and 9am for the latter.

If the date is so very important the time is also important.

Now shall we discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin OR focus on the things we really should focus on?

The Big Question is , “Who is Jesus?”

Mat 16:15 Then He asked them, “But who do you say I am?”


4 posted on 09/20/2020 7:12:21 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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If the date is so very important the time is also important.

No, it isn't; a birthday is publicly recognized, even celebrated; a "birth time" isn't.

5 posted on 09/20/2020 7:15:29 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("It always looks the darkest just before it gets totally black." - Charlie Brown)
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To: MAAG

Why on earth wouldnt Christians have maintained the record of His birth? I mean SERIOUSLY: “Yeah let’s start CHRISTianity but no one remember when He came into the world.” Sheesh.


6 posted on 09/20/2020 7:15:40 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: MAAG

Here’s a thought: Mary conceived when the embryonic Jesus attached to the lining of her uterus; His name was to be called ‘God with us’, so with the implantation ...


7 posted on 09/20/2020 7:20:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: gas_dr
Interesting. Have not heard the spring theory, but have heard the autumn theory. At the latitude, there would not have been a killing frost so it is quite possible there was pasture. But your point is spot on:
I’m not sure the date matters as much as the truth that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us
8 posted on 09/20/2020 7:22:51 AM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: Captain Walker
Comparing Luke 1:5 to 1 Chronicles 24:10 shows that Zechariah was of the division of Abijah, number eight in the weekly rotation.

Counting the time all were on duty and the eight weeks in rotation when Zechariah’s turn came puts the visit by Gabriel about 3 months into the religious year.

A normal 9 month gestation period places the birth of John the Baptist at the beginning of the following religious year (mid-March, remember) and indeed there are many who believe he was born on Passover.

9 posted on 09/20/2020 7:25:25 AM PDT by MAAG (Tetelestai, paid in full. You are as righteous as God is. Double jeopardy is forbidden.)
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To: gas_dr
Awassi the native Israeli sheep lamb December to January.

PS - Why do people impose northern latitude norms on a sub-tropical area?

10 posted on 09/20/2020 7:28:24 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Captain Walker

No, it isn’t; a birthday is publicly recognized, even celebrated; a “birth time” isn’t.


I noticed you didn’t address the big question but asserted what you think is really important. Why is that?


11 posted on 09/20/2020 7:35:21 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: MAAG

Is this going to be on the entrance exam?


12 posted on 09/20/2020 7:37:46 AM PDT by Farmerbob
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To: Farmerbob

LOL


13 posted on 09/20/2020 7:38:28 AM PDT by MAAG (Tetelestai, paid in full. You are as righteous as God is. Double jeopardy is forbidden.)
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To: SisterK

I go with the feast of tabernacles. And the Word became flesh abs dwelt (tabernacled) among us. If the life of Jesus fulfills all the feasts this woukd make sense. Rosh Hashanah ir the feast of trumpets may have a very special fulfillment (at the last trump....)


14 posted on 09/20/2020 7:45:51 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: MAAG

It is possible if you begin your count from when Zechariah was working in the Temple.

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia”.

Begin your count when he went home, Elizabeth’s pregnancy, Mary’s pregnancy and you come up with a time in September.


15 posted on 09/20/2020 7:48:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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The first priestly course of Jojarib was on duty at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem on the ninth day of the Jewish month of Av; this would put the division of Jojarib on duty on the second week of the month. (We walk backwards from here.)

The division of Abijah/Abias (in which Zechariah served) was on duty during the second week of the Jewish month of Tishri, which would be between 09/22 and 10/08 in our calendar.

We know that John the Baptist was conceived immediately after Zechariah's completion of his temple service; we add nine months to this window to arrive neatly at 06/24, the birthday of John the Baptist. (This was the day that Christianity celebrated his birth for the past two thousand years.)

Because we know John the Baptist was born six months before the Messiah, the math works out perfectly; it's 12/25, the date that Christianity has been celebrating the Birth of the Messiah for two thousand years.

16 posted on 09/20/2020 7:55:35 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("It always looks the darkest just before it gets totally black." - Charlie Brown)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Did you read the bible study?

That is what the bible study states, but in more detail.

17 posted on 09/20/2020 7:56:46 AM PDT by MAAG (Tetelestai, paid in full. You are as righteous as God is. Double jeopardy is forbidden.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
The Messiah, as we know, is an historical Figure. He came at a certain place and at a certain time in the history of the world.

It's very important that we know this time and place, because there are a lot of people who would argue the details and claim that He was simply Somebody we imagined, and that the historical records are inconclusive on the topic of His very birth, life, and death.

This isn't true, of course; we know He lived. And it's important that we know exactly when He lived. Because by knowing the exact time and place He was born, we can demonstrate (without the use of faith) that He did, in fact, exist.

For two thousand years, the date of His Birth was acknowledged by Christianity; in recent times, the practice of questioning this has apparently come in vogue. (I confess to not knowing why.)

If you could enlighten me on the purpose of questioning the date of Christ's birth, it would be a learning point for me. As it is, there has been nothing conclusive to demonstrate that the date celebrated for two thousand years is incorrect.

18 posted on 09/20/2020 8:03:18 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("It always looks the darkest just before it gets totally black." - Charlie Brown)
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To: Captain Walker
King David had divided the priests into 24 courses (divisions) to serve rotating one-week periods in the temple.

All 24 divisions served during the Feasts and so each one also served twice a year on rotation.

The religious year began about mid-March on our calendar and right away there were nearly three weeks of preparation and Feasts; Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, and First Fruits.

Then the divisions began their rotation. Comparing Luke 1:5 to 1 Chronicles 24:10 shows that Zechariah was of the division of Abijah, number eight in the weekly rotation.

Counting the time all were on duty and the eight weeks in rotation when Zechariah’s turn came puts the visit by Gabriel about 3 months into the religious year.

A normal 9 month gestation period places the birth of John the Baptist at the beginning of the following religious year (mid-March, remember) and indeed there are many who believe he was born on Passover.

19 posted on 09/20/2020 8:15:51 AM PDT by MAAG (Tetelestai, paid in full. You are as righteous as God is. Double jeopardy is forbidden.)
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To: MAAG

Interesting.

Well one thing is certain. Christ was/is to have the preeminence in all things. But he couldn’t be conceived and born on the first day of a 12 month Jewish calender. I’m leaning toward his birth.


20 posted on 09/20/2020 8:39:27 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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