John 6 focusing on the words spoken by Jesus {from the King James Version}

Biblegateway ^ | 85 AD | John

[ADSUM]

Obviously, you didn’t read the posting you are replying to.

You didn’t answer the questions.

[Cronos]

It's no priest incantation - it's what Jesus Himself said

Why do you keep denying Jesus

“Amen, amen, I say to you, you are looking for me not because you saw signs but because you ate the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life,[o] which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal.”

“This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent.”

, “Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. 36 But I told you that although you have seen [me], you do not believe. 37 Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me, 38 because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me. 39 And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it [on] the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him [on] the last day.”

“Stop murmuring[r] among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets:

‘They shall all be taught by God.’

Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; 50 this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”

“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

“Does this shock you? 62 What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?[u] 63 It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh[v] is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.”

He is crystal clear - and He emphasizes that this is not an allegory, but repeats thrice that this is what you are to do - eat of His Body and drink of His blood

1. God will feed the multitudes
2. I am God - I can walk on water
3. Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life,[o] which the Son of Man will give you
4. This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent
5. my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
6. I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger,
7. I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
8. unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

[Cronos]

Why don't you read the Bible, MHG? The letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 10:16)

6 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?

and also 1 Cor 11:27-29

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

How clear can Paul get? "The bread IS a participation in the body of Christ" and "who eats the bread... will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord" This is not just mere bread and wine anymore. This is the body and blood of Christ.

Jesus clearly taught that in order for us to have eternal life we MUST "eat his flesh" - He repeats this 6 times - using the word "to chew" 4 times. This is not synmbolic

[Cronos]

Furthermore, have you forgotten

Psalm 110:4 - "Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek." -- about JESUS -- Jesus is compared to Melchizedek. What did Melchizedek offer? Gen 14:18 "And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God."

This sacrifice of His body is the priestly nature of Jesus.

This is why 1 Corinthians 11:24-25 quotes Jesus as saying during the Last Supper "This is my body, which is FOR YOU; do this in remembrance of me"

This word "remembrance is used in Hebrews 10:3 as the act of CARRYING OUT A SACRIFICE.

Jesus' one-time sacrifice is the action that we participate in across time and space - the eternal worship of the Lamb as John envisioned

[MHGinTN]

So you cannot answer the question. It figures

[MHGinTN]

I really did not expect YOU to answer the question. And of course you did your usual, you changed the subject without answering.

[MHGinTN]

So why can’t you answer the question? ... surely the father of lies ahs an answer for you, or maybe he doesn’t because he already knows it is all just a lie concocted by a power seeking oligarchy! You are a fraud, a wordy fraud, but just a fraud.

[imardmd1]

When the wine ran out the Bride and Groom would have faced quite a lot of embarrassment, so Jesus helped them out.

This is a forced interpretation of the Greek text, slanted by the mindset of recent narrators. "Ran out of" is not even in the text, nor is the word "when." It is not even a translation, let alone a precise one. Like other dolts, it looks like you take what other fallible human self-proclaimed "experts" say because it fits your desired outcome.

Now, it is possible to go into detail to show how little you know and how much you presume about this event, but that is another lesson. I presume that you are finding fault here for the purpose of drawing everyone's attention away from the principle issue of your vanity post, which is whether the John 6:35 context does or does not illustrate the Master Teacher using a figurative-literal metaphor to teach a spiritual truth, or not. So far, your speculative treatment of that subject is very weak indeed, and not supported by a proper exegetical approach.

[ADSUM]

Your reply “I really did not expect YOU to answer the question. And of course you did your usual, you changed the subject without answering.”

Again, you didn’t read the post or are just unwilling to understand. Your answer was in the post.

Just show your anti-Catholic bias instead of understanding God’s Truth.

You are right, most of you inane posts are not worth responding to.

[af_vet_1981]

Well done

[MHGinTN]

If that was true you could post the answer. I do not believe you can answer the question. In fact I think your carnal mind is incapable of spiritual truths. And just so you know, I speed read the several dogma posts.

[MHGinTN]

Hah! Clueless afvet. Does the Word of God tell you that flesh AND BLOOD cannot inherit eternal life? Think about the implications Catholic.

[af_vet_1981]

We should be kind to the brethren; no one knows their day or hour.

[boatbums]

For the first 1500 years of Christianity, there were no exceptions to this widespread belief of the Apostles and the early Church in the Real Presence.
as our Lutheran brethren say From the Lutheran LCMS.org website...

Well, it all depends on how you define "real presence" then, isn't it? It certainly was NOT the Catholic dogma of "transubstantiation" seeing as that didn't even get defined until the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215. The Real Presence wasn't taught in the earliest times. In fact, "real presence" isn't even a Catholic term at all but its history was mostly an Anglican one and was used to sidestep the Catholic transubstantiation doctrine.

I just think it's ironic that you use the Lutherans to defend your point seeing as they do NOT agree with the Roman Catholic dogma on the Eucharist. In fact, Roman Catholicism condemns all views that are different than theirs and assert that the Lutheran observance of the Lord's Supper (Sacramental Union) isn't a true or Biblical one and cannot save anyone.

[Cronos]

Firstly —
For the first 1500 years of Christianity, there were no exceptions to this widespread belief of the Apostles and the early Church in the Real Presence.

you don’t.

Secondly — the Lutherans differ substantially from YOU. They differ slightly from us, but they do believe that what Christ said was true - that the host is the True Presence of Christ.

At least in that they believe Jesus’s words.

you don’t believe Jesus when He says “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

Instead you persist in being one of the disciples that abandon Christ for Christ teaching that

, “Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

“I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.

[Cronos]

To me it it incredible that MHGinTN reads 1 Cor. 10:16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? and reads 1 Cor 11:27-29

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

and still refuses to believe Jesus's very words in John 6.

I mean, how much clearer can Paul get? "The bread IS a participation in the body of Christ" and "who eats the bread... will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord" This is not just mere bread and wine anymore. This is the body and blood of Christ.

“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

[Cronos]

Imardmd1 — the forced interpretation is you thinking this was grape Juice.

Jesus drank wine.

Jesus created wine from water (not grape juice).

Unfermented grape juice didn’t exist until 1869 when Thomas Welch invented a method for stopping the fermentation that otherwise begin the moment the grapes are crushed. Grape skins are covered in yeasts that instantly begin converting sugars to alcohol, so any grape juice stored for more than a day or two would have begun to become increasingly alcoholic.

[Elsie]

you keep denying Christ.

You are a whitewashed tomb

[Elsie]

Here Tom; have a piece of my back. It’s crunchy by now.

[Elsie]

Perhaps you ought to actually read the Bible rather than excerpts?

Matthew 28:19-20

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I: not Mom, or the early church fathers; but I.

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Heck; you guys can't even get the excerpts right!!

Call no man father.