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To: annalex

First off Jesus did not have long hair.
2nd Jesus had his facial hair plunked.
3rd the nails were driven into the wrist.
4th Jesus was bound in strips of linen and his face was covered by a napkin(separate cloth)
These are mentioned in the Bible.

Otherwise you decide.....


5 posted on 07/08/2021 3:53:55 PM PDT by Pez149 (Time to stop saying a theory is fact....)
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To: Pez149

Today’s technology still cannot duplicate the 3D image that was “burned” into the shroud at the instantaneous moment of Christ’s resurrection.


17 posted on 07/08/2021 5:59:44 PM PDT by newfreep (“Leftism, under all of its brand names, is a severe, violent & evil mental disorder.”)
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To: Pez149
The shroud shows the holes in the . The picture of Jesus with short curly hair was done a couple of centuries later than Jesus walked. The condition of the hair in the shroud is ambiguous. Who said he tweezed his whiskers? I see nothing like that in the Gospels or in Acts. The shroud is a wide strip of linen.
29 posted on 07/08/2021 7:32:21 PM PDT by arthurus (covfefe ii)
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To: Pez149; Alamo-Girl; albee; alrea; Ambrosia; AnalogReigns; AnAmericanMother; Angelas; AniGrrl; ...
"First off Jesus did not have long hair."
The Bible does not describe the length of Jesus’ hair, nor anything about his description or appearance. Several Judaic sects of the period, such as the Essenes, wore their hair long, especially those of the priestly tribe. The tradition is that John the Baptist was an Essene and Jesus took on his cousin John’s traditions after his Baptism. There is a Biblical OT tradition that a man’s strength came from not cutting his hair, I.e. the story of Samson and Delilah with her cutting Samson’s hair supposedly to weaken his strength. Hasidic Jews to this day retain long forelocks in honor of that Jewish tradition.

“2nd Jesus had his facial hair plunked.”
That was only one of the tortures and indignities inflicted on Jesus. The Beard plucking does not need to be that the entire beard was plucked out but that patches were pulled for pain and the humiliation effect to a Jewish man to have the effect desired. . . nor did they have the time to do a thorough job of beard plucking. It was a casual thing the soldiers would do while taunting him.

"3rd the nails were driven into the wrist."
What is seen on the Shroud wrist wounds is actually anatomically and forensically correct. Multiple studies using actual human bodies have demonstrated that nailing a Crucifixion victim through the center of the palm as most Christian art depicts Jesus’ nailing NG would fail as there is nothing there to prevent the flesh of the palm between the bones from tearing under the weight and flexing of the movement over even a short period of time and the victim falling from the cross. However, at the base of the palm, still on the hand, is an easily located indentation, about ¾" to 1" toward the wrist from the center of the palm, where a nail can be driven that opens a space in the bones of the wrist (the Space of Destót). The wrist bones move enough to allow the nail to pass through without breaking any, but the median nerve is either severed or damage, causing the thumb to contract into the palmar area, not to mention severe nerve pain. The naturally derived exit wound is exactly where it is shown on the back of the wrist. These wrist bones easily can hold a struggling human victim without giving way, while the soft tissues between the carpal bones of the palm cannot. Any experienced Crucifixion executioner would know exactly where to nail a Crucifixion victim.

"4th Jesus was bound in strips of linen and his face was covered by a napkin(separate cloth)"
Actually, these are only mentioned in one of the Gospels, and the "strips" are a very late translation of the original Greek of that Gospel, using an obscure reference of the word "Othonia" used which was only found when the word was used as bandages in war stories. There were three more common uses of the same Greek word in Ancient Greek literature that would have served better. Translators misused Othonia as "bandages" and "strips of linen" because they were doing their English translations at the very same time as many Egyptian mummies were being brought to Europe wrapped in yards and yards of strips of linen. They assumed Jews buried their dead in similar grave clothes. They did not.
The Jews actually had a written tradition of how their dead were to be buried recorded in the Mishnah, and that tradition first of all required the body be interred before sundown of the day of death. The body is to be ritually washed, anointed, limbs tied to prevent flopping akimbo at wrists and ankles, knees, and the jaw tied shut (this was the face cloth "about" the face, under the chin, around the face and tied over the crown of the head), eyes closed with weights (potsherds or coins) on the eyelids. A shroud used to cover the body if it could be afforded, and aromatic herbs packed around the body. There is literally no time to wrap a body in yards of linen strips when the body had to be interred by sundown.
A 1st Century Jewish Cemetery in Jerusalem was unearthed in the mid-1980s and excavated where numerous skeletons were discovered. None were found entangled with remnants of linen strips, but two were covered with the remains of large linen shrouds. The archaeological, written, Greek original, and Jewish Mishnah record is clear… Jews did not wrap their dead in strips of linen as old English biblical translators erroneously claimed. The only strips used may have been used as binding to hold the limbs from flopping.

"These are mentioned in the Bible."
Another thing mentioned in the Gospels in the original Greek is that Joseph of Arimathea bought a fine Linen "Syndon"… which translates as a large cloth, a sheet, a shroud, or a sail… I.e. a really big piece of cloth. It does not say he bought yards and yards of linen strips.

SHROUD OF TURIN PING!

33 posted on 07/09/2021 2:52:14 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: Pez149
How can you be sure of the length of Christ hair?

Rather than nailed, which not have been a secure way to fix some one to a Roman crucifix Christ would most likely have been tied at the wrists.

38 posted on 07/09/2021 7:30:36 AM PDT by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses . Now governed by idiots.)
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