Hoo boy. What a pantload.
#1 Mary was the mother of Jesus the man (Jesus was man and God and we can't understand it but God does).
#2 Mary was a sinner, just like you and me. She needed the Blood of Jesus to cover her sins.
#3 Anothers presence in heaven has no bearing on anothers in heaven. ie. Marys salvation is not connected to anyone elses salvation. It's like going to the bathroom. Nobody can go for you. It is an individual thing.
>> #1 Mary was the mother of Jesus the man <<
And, inspired by the Holy Spirit, Elizabeth said to Mary: who am I, that the mother of OUR LORD should come to me?
>> #2 Mary was a sinner, just like you and me <<
Where is that in the Bible?
Do you honestly think that Christ, God as well as Man, would spend 9 months in an impure vessel? But Mary herself credits God as she calls Him her Savior. Like us, Mary was saved from sin by God.
>> #3 Marys salvation is not connected to anyone elses salvation. <<
Do you never pray for someone else to be saved? Do you never ask anyone else to help you pray for the salvation of someone?
I have heard Protestants talk about prayer warriors... do you seriously think that *His mother* is not the greatest prayer warrior of all time?
Actually the doctrine of the holy trinity is quite understandable - Christ is and always has been the Second Person of the Trinity, since the beginning of time... as He was in Mary's womb and througout his childhood. There was no time ever when He was not GOD.
Your thinking is what happens when you get religious instruction from bible-achool types - instead of actual saints and martyrs.
“#3 Anothers presence in heaven has no bearing on anothers in heaven.”
Almost right but don’t forget there is one exception. Jesus’ presence in heaven definitely has bearing, as he opened the way for the rest of us.
Wasn't a virgin after the rituals were completed for Jesus either...
Your Christology just fell off the orthodox train. The incarnate Jesus is a divine person with a human nature. There is no "Jesus the man" if you are a Christian, because that implies, in fact pretty clearly states, that "Jesus the man" is a different person from the-Jesus-who-is-God. That heresy is called "Nestorianism," and was condemned in AD 431.
"Mother" and "Son" describe relationships between persons. Mary is the Mother of the Person, Jesus, who is God. Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God: the baby whom she bore is God.
Mary was a sinner, just like you and me.
Nothing in Scripture says this. In fact, the archangel in Luke 1 addresses Mary, not by her name, but as kecharitomene ... "already completely graced in a past action". That doesn't sound like "just like you and me". Do you think, if an archangel appeared to you, he would address you, not by your name, but as "already completely graced in a past action"? Don't bet on it!
She needed the Blood of Jesus to cover her sins.
The Blood of Jesus doesn't only "cover" sins, it washes them away. And Mary had that; she wasn't saved by her own power or her own goodness, but by a prior application of the merits of her divine Son.
Marys salvation is not connected to anyone elses salvation.
This is obviously ridiculous, since Mary's "yes" to God was clearly a critical event in making the Incarnation happen, and everyone's salvation depends on that.
The heresy is yours. You are spouting an old heresy called the Nestorian heresy. Re: https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/the-nestorian-controversy-11629695.html
#2 Mary was a sinner, just like you and me. She needed the Blood of Jesus to cover her sins.
Catholics would agree but they hold to the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is not supported in the Bible. Excerpt from: https://www.catholic.com/tract/immaculate-conception-and-assumption
Protestants’ chief reason for objecting to the Immaculate Conception and Mary's consequent sinlessness is that we are told that “all have sinned” (Rom. 3:23). Besides, they say, Mary said her “spirit rejoices in God my Savior” (Luke 1:47), and only a sinner needs a Savior. Let's take the second citation first. Mary, too, required a Savior. Like all other descendants of Adam, she was subject to the necessity of contracting original sin. But by a special intervention of God, undertaken at the instant she was conceived, she was preserved from the stain of original sin and its consequences. She was therefore redeemed by the grace of Christ, but in a special way—by anticipation.
#3 Mary's salvation is not connected to anyone else's salvation.
Many Protestants are not opposed to Believers on earth praying for and interceding for other Believers on earth. Catholics on earth believe that they can petition those in heaven and earth to pray and intercede for them.
Our nation is going to hell in a handbasket! Should Christians be fighting and arguing about Catholic theology surrounding the Mary, the Mother of God?
Are babies sinless?
Original sin?
I John 3:4 Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
This defines sin.
Name a baby who has lied, coveted, worshiped idols, committed adultery, etc. Babies are sinless
James 1:13-15 …But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
Are babies able to be lured, enticed > desire >sin? No!
Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Children in the womb have not sinned. When they come to know good and evil and they old enough to be responsible for their choices, then they will become sinners.
Deuteronomy 24:16 “The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.”
This “word of God” teaches that there is no such thing as “original sin.”
These scriptures are rather straightforward.
Why don’t we just accept what the word of God teaches?
(Okay. I know. We prefer to deceive ourselves.
Rightly dividing the word of God is hard work.
After all, we all worship the same God. No problem.
Hmm! Cain and Abel worshiped the same God, didn’t they?) /sarc
I suggest you research the nestorian heresy, which you seem to agree with. Jesus is the God-man; His nature and being are not divided. Mary is Jesus' mother; the Holy Spirit His father. Calvin, Luther and other reformers would tell you that Mary is the mother of God. Some things are hard to understand this side of heaven but will become more clear in heaven.