The Growing Need to Condemn Vatican II’s Errors So We Can Combat Francis’s Heresies

The Remnant Newspaper ^ | December 27, 2023 | Robert Morrison

[JJBookman]

All of these extra ecumenical councils ARE the problem!

“Papal Councils” and their fake authority have ruined the

majesty and holiness of the Latin Church. No bishop has the

authority to supersede the all-agreed-upon seven Ecumenical

Councils, even the Bishop of Rome.

[Angelino97]

we forbid Jews to be appointed to public offices, since under cover of them they are very hostile to Christians.

Was there no truth to this?

We often hear that Christians were hostile to Jews, but were Jews never hostile to Christians? If Jews were required to be wary of Christians, were Christians never required to be wary of Jews? Was the antagonism always one-sided?

[metmom]

That does not justify the Catholic clergy setting itself up in authority over other believers.

Paul gives the qualifications for deacon and elders in 1 Timothy and in Titus and nowhere in any of his epistles does it allow for the kind of top down control of believers that Roman Catholicism teaches or practices.

And besides, this was an unbeliever, not a believer, asking a believer questions about Scripture which is reasonable. But even if a new believer asks an older believer to explain something or a question as simple as the Ethiopian eunuch asked, it does not preclude lay people from being able to answer questions.

[ealgeone]

Yet, the Roman Catholic is in no position to determine if the various councils are legitimate or not.

As far as Rome superseding, or changing their dogma....just research the history of the RCC.

The common constant is change of dogma.

[Angelino97]

At the very least, Jesus’ teachings in the Beatitudes completely demolishes any rationalization for such actions on the part of those naming the name of Christ.

And yet Jesus also admonished us to be wise as serpents, and to buy a sword. We are not meant to be pushovers. We are permitted to defend ourselves.

I doubt you would advise Christians to submit before hostile Muslims.

[af_vet_1981]

If you truly want to know the test for antisemitism, look here. Notice it is pass or fail test. Remember Balaam.

Matthew 25:

31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36. Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38. When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39. Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[ealgeone]

You miss the point of the post. Rome said Jews and Muslims had to wear special clothing and forbade them from holding office....where have we seen this before??

But the issue is this remains in force as I cannot find any proclamation overturning this....which if it is but another example of Rome changing it's dogmas.

[ealgeone]

Are you saying this is antisemetic??

[metmom]

Red herring.

You were talking about the Jews.

Christians need to overcome evil with good and there is no excuse for the kind of persecution of the Jews by any religion calling itself Christian.

Self defense when being attacked is a different issue.

Do you really try to justify the church using the sword simply because Jesus gave the apostles permission to defend themselves?

[Angelino97]

You miss the point of the post. Rome said Jews and Muslims had to wear special clothing and forbade them from holding office....where have we seen this before??

Well, I doubt any Jew or Christian can rise to most high public offices in many Muslim nations.

And I doubt that any Muslim or Christian can rise to most high public offices in Israel. (Yes, there are Arabs in the Kenest, where they can be safely out-voted. But how many Muslims or Christians have ever risen to head of Mossad, Shin Beth, the military, or similar office with real power?)

[metmom]

It never ceases to amaze me the excuses Catholics give for their church’s clearly unscriptural actions.

Y’all never admit your religion is wrong about anything.

[ealgeone]

Well, I doubt any Jew or Christian can rise to most high public offices in many Muslim nations.

This applied to Jews in Roman Catholic territory. You continue to evade the point.

[ealgeone]

It never ceases to amaze me the excuses Catholics give for their church’s clearly unscriptural actions. Y’all never admit your religion is wrong about anything.

That's the kicker isn't it....the RC leadership can be wrong but the lay Roman Catholic is far wiser than their leadership.

[af_vet_1981]

But then again, Jews weren't always benevolent to Christians. Malicious acts were always mutual.

Jews persecuted Jewish Christians in the first hundred years after Jesus. They did not have authority over, or much interest in, the Gentiles other than wanting freedom from them.

They fought three wars against the Romans, losing all of them and their freedom entirely. So for almost nineteen centuries they were enslaved, persecuted, and had no power over Christians, whereas in so-called Christendom, the Gentiles had absolute power of the Jews.

Thus your premise is deeply flawed.

[ebb tide]

You didn’t answer either of my questions.

[Angelino97]

Red herring. You were talking about the Jews.

You were talking about the Beatitudes, which apply to all people; Jews, Muslims, pagans, everyone.

Do you really try to justify the church using the sword

I said the antagonism was mutual. At times Jews also directed violence against Christians. Such as when they opened the gates of Toledo for the Muslim invaders in 711.

[af_vet_1981]

Are you saying this is antisemitic??

It is the ultimate test. There were six million Jewish victims in the Holocaust and they were the least of Jesus' brethren. It seems to me there is a pandemic of evil sweeping the world in this generation and every soul will be tested.

[af_vet_1981]

No, sir....I am not a Roman Catholic.

Oh, I thought you were one of the Catholics on the forum who reject the religion of their youth. Perhaps not you.

[ealgeone]

Oh, I thought you were one of the Catholics on the forum who reject the religion of their youth. Perhaps not you.

I am thankfully not Roman Catholic.

I follow Christ and only Christ.

But I do see the anti-pope poster boy continues to run down the RCC in clear violation of RC law...which would be a mortal sin would it not?

[ealgeone]

Recall Rome had no problems torturing and putting to death the Reformers.