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Maranatha!
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Admits that the Reformation comes out of Catholicism.
Denies that Catholicism is Christianity.
Rightly calls out the apostate in the chair of Peter.
This essay is...interesting, to say the least.
Reformation did not come out of Catholicism. Yes, some priests and congregants "reformed," but the true Church of Christ was in existence all along. The RCC tried to destroy it to no avail.
Denies that Catholicism is Christianity
That statement is true.
Rightly calls out the apostate in the chair of Peter
Everyone that sat in that chair was apostate, so, yeah.
The author’s understanding of Catholicism, as evidenced by his description of the Sacrament of Confession, is fatally flawed.
Our discussion is done. The hate expressed by some over the Catholic Church is not worth getting into another debate. I’ll worship the Lord God the way I have for decades.
Good evening.
“This essay is...interesting, to say the least.”
I too, was suitably impressed enough to respond .. .
“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith.
2 Cor 13:2”
This simple verse is GOOD advice ! Believe in God ? Check. Believe in His Son, Jesus Christ ? Check. Believe that you are SAVED by Grace through FAITH, NOT works of any kind. That Jesus died for YOUR sins and rose for YOUR JUSTIFICATION ? Check. Sounds like I AM in the FAITH.
I very much doubt that the current Pope would answer “Yes” to any of those questions .. .
As a former Roman Catholic, I have zero issues with the way this was written/presented.
Finding truth is hard.
When folks fight it, they call it ‘hate’ I’ve noticed. Doesn’t matter what side of the political spectrum one belongs to.
Accusing others of *hate* because they disagree with you is a liberal/leftist talking point.
If you are accusing others of *hate* because they see things different from you, then it’s a good guess there is some massive projecting going on.
And I don’t know if you (Don) are even going to read this comment, but if you do, do not feel obligated in the least to respond to it.
What I said was in no way based in “hate.” It was based in fact, facts that not very well known by many people. Getting into a huge debate, though, will solve nothing because (especially in this day and age) people’s mind as pretty well made up and they aren’t likely to change. All we can do is pray that people’s minds will be opened.
Agreed. Those who opine about about Catholicism should at least be able to present what it actually teaches, not an uninformed caricature of it. If one wants to learn what the Church teaches, he should go to the source and not take the word of someone who has a demonstrated animus toward it.
Martin Luther mentioned a few things he took exception with.
I’m not sure I understand your point.
I posted an observation from my decades of membership on this site about Protestants vs Catholics on this site in a Catholic-bashing thread. Your response is rather telling.
The absolute rage and hate expressed by members of one group or the other, whilst some members of one or the other try to extend olive branches is most disconcerting.
Look at “The Troubles” in Northern Ireland for a perfect example. One group keeps goading the other, then back again, until they both end up in deep blood feuds.
Denying that there have been comments of the type I mentioned is part of the problem, and I don’t know how to ease, mitigate or assuage the virulent, spiteful, rage-filled comments of some. After a few rounds of “getting into it” with some folks, I took a more distant approach.
The vitriol put forth towards my simple humble statement confirms my reluctance to engage in discussion. Some folks are just not rational. Indeed, some long for conflict and distress.
I am not one of those, I only wished to share an observation.
Good night.
From a different perspective guess who looks like the *haters*? It’s those who call Protestant *heretics* and condemn them to hell for not submitting to Catholicism.
And there are certainly enough threads posted on almost a daily basis that could be considered *Protestant bashing*. All you have to do it is go look at the daily RF postings and see how the slightest infraction or imperfection in moral integrity by a non-Catholic is brought to everyone’s attention, but the Catholic ones are never posted about by the same poster.
Catholics cannot claim to be the martyrs here and claim victim status as they can dish it out with the best of them.
If you are perceiving the disagreement with Catholic theology and doctrine as *rage and hate* then you are projecting because no one can tell from the printed word the thoughts and emotions behind what is said. And pointing out doctrinal error by showing what Scripture said is neither *rage* nor *hate*. Presuming you know the motive and thoughts of the person making the comments is an assumption, plain and simple.
No *vitriol* has been expressed to your statements and for you to label them as *humble*, well ..... no comment. I guess I can say they don’t come across as humble as you seem to think.
Many of us use that and are still told we are wrong about Catholic belief.
What I find interesting is that we try to debate doctrine and theology and use Scripture to support our position and keep from making personal attacks, and then we are attacked, called *heretics*, *haters*, *anti*, etc, while being personally attacked, and yet, we are the ones called *haters*.
Discussing theology and doctrine is not *hate*. Name calling and personal attacks is what can easily fall into that category.
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