Posted on 07/23/2002 7:40:31 AM PDT by xzins
The Cross-Work of Christ
Is It Limited or Unlimited?
What Does the Bible Teach?
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SALVATION |
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Unlimited Salvation |
Limited Salvation |
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"For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men..." (1 Tim. 4:10a). "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son... "The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world" (1 John 4:14; compare John 12:47). "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17; and compare Matt. 18:11; Luke 9:56; 19:10; 1 Tim. 1:15). "We know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world" (John 4:42). "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9). "For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world" (John 6:33). "...if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" (John 6:51). "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared unto all men..." (Tit. 2:11a). Also compare Acts 4:12 and Acts 5:31. |
"...specially (especially, particularly) of those that believe" (1 Tim. 4:10b). "...that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16b). "God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him" (1 John 4:9). "And thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people (Israel) from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31). "And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48). "I have much people in this city" (Acts 18:10). "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" (Rom. 10:9). "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved" (Acts 2:47). "For whosoever shall call upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved" (Rom. 10:13). "...teaching us...looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour, Jesus Christ" (Tit. 2:12b-13). "but unto us which are saved" (1 Cor. 1:18). "And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him" (Heb. 5:9). "He that hath the Son hath life" (1 John 5:12). |
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REDEMPTION |
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Unlimited Redemption (Universal Redemption) |
Limited Redemption (Particular Redemption) |
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"Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). "Who gave Himself a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:6 and compare verse 1-"all men," and verse 4-"all men"). "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9). "There shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction" (2 Peter 2:1). "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all" (Isaiah 53:6). Compare John 12:32-33 (John 3:14) |
"He entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us" (Heb. 9:12). "In whom we have redemption through His blood" (Col. 1:14). "For ye are bought with a price" (1 Pet. 1:18-19). "Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity" (Tit. 2:14). "But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us...redemption" (1 Cor. 1:30). "Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 3:24). See also Romans 4:25; 14:15; 1 Corinthians 8:11; John 10:11; Acts 20:28; Revelation 1:5; Galatians 1:4; 3:13; Ephesians 5:25; 1 Thess. 5:10; Hebrews 1:3; 1 Peter 2:24. |
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RECONCILIATION |
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Unlimited Reconciliation (Universal Reconciliation) |
Limited Reconciliation (Particular Reconciliation) |
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"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:19) |
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ" (2 Corinthians 5:18) "We pray (beg) you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God" (2 Corinthians 5:20) |
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PROPITIATION |
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Unlimited Propitiation (Universal Propitiation) |
Limited Propitiation (Particular Propitiation) |
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"...and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2). |
"And He is the propitiation for our sins..." (1 John 2:2a). |
FIVE INDISPUTABLE FACTS
1. Without question, the Bible teaches that not all men shall be saved:
Matthew 7:13-14; 25:41,46; 2 Thess. 1:8-9; Rev. 20:11-15; 21:11,15; etc.
2. The Bible teaches that God desires all men to be saved and to come to a full-knowledge of the truth:
1 Timothy 2:4 (cf. Matthew 18:14; 2 Peter 3:9; Ezekiel 18:23,32; 33:11) and see our study called, God's Willingness and Man's Unwillingness.
3. The gospel is to be preached to every creature and all men everywhere are commanded to repent:
Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38 "every one of you"; Acts 3:26 "every one of you"; Acts 13:38; 17:30; 20:21; 26:17-20; Romans 16:26; 1 Cor. 1:23.
4. Salvation is offered to all men and "whosoever will" may take of the water of life freely.
Matthew 11:28-30; John 1:12; 3:15-17; 4:13-14; 6:35-37,47,51,54,58; 7:37-38; 10:9; 11:25-26; 20:31; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 10:43; 13:38-39; Romans 1:16; 6:23; 10:11-13; Revelation 3:20; 22:17.
5. It is the responsibility of all men to obey the gospel by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 3:18; 3:36; Acts 16:30-31; 17:30; 2 Thess. 1:8; 1 Peter 4:17.
Sir Robert Anderson, in the preface to his book Forgotten Truths, said this: "In the early years of my Christian life I was greatly perplexed and distressed by the supposition that the plain and simple words of such Scriptures as John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; 1 Timothy 2:6 were not true, save in a cryptic sense understood only by the initiated. For, I was told, the over-shadowing truth of Divine sovereignty in election barred our taking them literally. But half a century ago a friend of those days—the late Dr. Horatius Bonar—delivered me from this strangely prevalent error. He taught me that truths may seem to us irreconcilable only because our finite minds cannot understand the Infinite; and we must never allow our faulty apprehension of the eternal counsels of God to hinder unquestioning faith in the words of Holy Scripture."
Life is offered unto you, Hallelujah!
Eternal life thy soul shall have,
If you'll only look to Him, Hallelujah!
Look to Jesus who alone can save!
Look and live, O sinner live!
Look to Jesus now and live!
'Tis recorded in His Word, Hallelujah!
It is only that you "look and live."
--William A. Ogden (John 3:14-16)
To all lurkers, readers, posters: the above is what is known as a personal attack. Is there an appropriate way to respond to it?
Don't you know that Wesley was anti reformation and a puppet of Rome? So I would expect that the followers of Wesley just may have a problem with truth
Let me ask you a few questions:
1. Did Christ die for all sins of all people for all time?
2. Did He cover the sins of the elect both before and after their conversion?
3. Did He die for the sins of the non-elect for their entire lifetime?
4. Would you define not believing in Christ/rejection of Christ as a sin?
universal salvation means just exactly what I posted ..all every where saved..that is what xzins is saying .Talk to him if you do not agree
Why are you engaging in this kind of rudeness?
Your post also indicates you hate catholics....where does this bitterness come from?
Of course I do. And so do you, unless you're a universalist. I say the scope is limited. You say it's universal in scope, but of so little power that humans can foil it.
To limit atonement, excuses sin as being a creation of God in the "unelect"
Nonsense.
Show me where I have ever said that. I have always said that the offer is for all but that only believers are saved.
You have my opinion on record again. Are you going to continue to deal in a known falsehood? If you do, what does that make you?
John Wesley's Notes; But he that had the mark, namely, the name of the first beast, or the number of his name - The name of the beast is that which he bears through his whole duration; namely, that of Papa or Pope: the number of his name is the whole time during which he bears this name. Whosoever, therefore, receives the mark of the beast does as much as if he said expressly, "I acknowledge the present Papacy, as proceeding from God;" or, "I acknowledge that what St. Gregory VII. has done, according to his legend, (authorized by Benedict XIII.,) and what has been maintained in virtue thereof, by his successors to this day, is from God." By the former, a man hath the name of the beast as a mark; by the latter, the number of his name. In a word, to have the name of the beast is, to acknowledge His papal Holiness; to have the number of his name is, to acknowledge the papal succession. The second beast will enforce the receiving this mark under the severest penalties. (John Wesley, Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible, Revelation 13:17)
Uh, what a surly "puppet" (sarcasm)
convincing point
I reject anti-catholicism. I say that at the same time as I acknowledge doctrinal differences.
The pope is no more the anti-christ than is Ken Griffey, Junior.
However, the quote does make it pretty clear that Wesley was no "puppet," doesn't it?
If you insist on putting words in my mouth, at least finish the sentence.
.........but of so little power that humans can foil it with the God given gift of Free Will.
So why do you ignore the existence of the resulting sin of denial ?
Securing salvation so that it can never be lost is no effect?
We have enough food for the hungry orphan, but get him out of here....he bothers us.
Hunger is not the orphan's fault. Sin is the sinner's fault.
God owes us nothing.
What sentiments would those be?
You say I ignore the sin of denial. How can Christ have made a perfect sacrifice if a sin inherent in all men can make it of no effect?
bigotry is bigotry
The pope is no more the anti-christ than is Ken Griffey, Junior.
nice visual LOL
However, the quote does make it pretty clear that Wesley was no "puppet," doesn't it?
yes, the tenor is typically "early" protestant though & contrary to what were told around here
Did he hate the pope...sure chis KING was kicked out of the Roman church..
His Chrurch of England was the RC in drag
"It is amazing that any true evangelical Calvinist would ever quote John Wesley with approval, either in speech or in writing," wrote the late Rev. J. P. MacQueen, London. "He bitterly hated and rejected Calvinism, while he taught a theory of justification practically identical with sanctification. His apologists have tried to persuade their readers that Wesley's Sacramentalism was 'merely an Oxford phase, and that it disappeared when he entered upon active evangelistic effort.' His treatise on Baptism, which he published in 1756, proves the contrary: ' By water, then, as a means—the water of baptism—we are regenerated or born again, whence it is also called by the Apostle the washing of regeneration. Herein a principle of grace is infused which will not be wholly taken away unless we quench the Holy Spirit of God by long-continued wickedness.' If the foregoing quotation does not embody the false doctrine of baptismal regeneration, one does not know what does. Wesley commended the same so-called 'devotional literature' as the Oxford Tractarians, such as the works of Romanists like Thomas a Kempis, Francois de Sales, and Cardinal Bona. He even published the 'Introduction to a Devout Life' by Francois de Sales, the sworn foe of Calvinism, in 1750. He advocated prayers for the dead, justifying himself thus: 'Prayer for the dead, the faithful de, parted, in the advocacy of which I conceive myself clearly justified. (Works, ed. 1872, IX. 55). The blessed departed are beyond the need of the poor sin-stained prayers of the Church militant, for they are perfect in holiness.
I will post this as a thread so you may read it all
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