Tridentine Mass, Eucharistic Ministers

Seattle Catholic ^ | December 27,2002 | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

[ultima ratio]

This is why Rome is not to be trusted. The Indult itself is a sham. It was a sham from the beginning--since no "indult" was ever necessary to celebrate a Mass that had never been officially abrogated. The freedom for any priest to say the "Mass for All Time" should have been guaranteed by this Pope long ago.

[Salvation]

The link doesn't go to Seattle Catholic but to another spot that won't let me in.

[Coleus]

http://www.catholicreform.org/eministers.html

[Telit Likitis]

That's because U.R. found the article from a link in seattlecatholic.com.

One has to be a registered user to access the article directly in catholicreform.com.

[Salvation]

Thanks, Coleus.

[Salvation]

I understand the ideas that this author is talking about with the special blessing that is given to a priest's hands. However, what do we do when there will no longer be priests but maybe once a month to consecrate hosts?

Who will distribute them then in a Communion Service?

There are not enough priests to go around to have two priests at each Mass even in these days.

I don't see that have laymen and women distribute Communion is such an abomination compared to a lack of priests.

Aren't we looking at the wrong problem here?

[ultima ratio]

Why are there no priests? Read Goodby, Good Men. Who would want to be part of such corruption? Yet you still defend the status quo and everything this Pope does. The Church is staggering under the blows of unprecedented scandal. Yet for JnPII the Vatican II springtime is right around the corner. When are you all going to start connecting the dots?

[ultima ratio]

I can say for a fact that the Society of St. John was never truly traditionalist. I know the men and the order. I was at first gulled, like a lot of others, into thinking they were authentic. But they were aesthetes little interested in the theological fundamentals that separate traditionalism from the Novus Ordo crowd. They wanted to wear monks' habits and swing incense. It took no time at all to convince them to dump the '62 Missal. They are as phony as three dollar bills.

As for The Christ the King Institute--I know little about them. But a few isolated cases in the traditionalist camp are not what's going on in the Novus Ordo and anybody who is deluded into thinking so is mistaken. We're talking wholesale corruption in the New Church--by the many, not the few, and reaching all the way to the Vatican itself. We're talking about an entire subculture that has yet to be denounced. We're talking about the need for reform that never takes place because the Vatican will not exercise the authority to allow it to happen.

Christ the King Institute took care of its bad apples. The Novus Ordo Church simply looks the other way and refuses to even honestly name it.

[ultima ratio]

Let me re-focus my response. It's not that here and there a few bad apples does something which is scandalous. That's not what we're talking about with the Novus Ordo crowd. We're talking about an active agenda to nurture a gay subculture.

In the nineties--a few years before everything hit the fan in Boston--a gay symposium was held--where else?--in Chicago. Bishops attended. More than 90 dioceses across America sponsored the event which was convened to urge clergy and seminarians to live out their sexuality. That's the sort of thing we're talking about. Big time organization to change the Catholic ethos on sexuality.

We're also talking about countless gay Masses, gay dances on church property, porn websites catering to gay priests. We're talking about bishops pushing a sex education designed to prevent "homophobia" by introducing values-neutral discussions about homosexuality in Catholic schools, complete with disgustingly detailed information about anal and oral sex and sado-masochism--all for the assimilation of parochial and diocesan schoolchildren, some of them at the elementary level, despite the widespread objections of parents. We're talking about a priest like Shanley of Boston remaining in good standing in his diocese, even though it was known he was a public activist for man-boy sexual "love". We're talking about making sure that straight and orthodox candidates to the priesthood--some of whom were punished for saying the rosary or visiting the Blessed Sacrament--never got past the keepers of the gates, those who had the final say as to who was or was not acceptable for the priesthood--mostly feminists and gays. We're talking the widespread rejection of straight and orthodox young men as candidates while their gay counterparts were knowingly allowed to cruise the leather bars to their hearts content--and still won approval.

So don't post these innocuous stories about traditionalists and their bad apples. We're talking about a culture of corruption when we talk about the Novus Ordo--not merely a few isolated incidents of bad behavior.

[ultima ratio]

I no longer attend the Indult since the Vatican kicked out Bisig, so I don't really know what's happening. But it's clear they have become shills for the Vatican. Their lips are sealed regarding the truth of the Novus Ordo and how it undermines the faith. To me, this indicates a sell-out of principle at a very profound level.

[ultima ratio]

Fine, post them if you want to. But don't think you are making any sort of point of comparison by doing so.

[Telit Likitis]

Exclude NH, no indult masses here.

-Telit

[Catholicguy]

<> There used to be a time when everyone used to recieve Comunion in the hands. Woods is a convert who desires to tell the Pope what real Catholics do. He is a joke

Ecclesia Dei gave The Indult to end the schism but is was given with the expressed condition that those attached to it would cease atacking the Missa Normativa and the Second Vatican Council.

They are slowly stangling themsleves with ceaseless attacks against Divinely-Constituted authority. They are disobeying the spirit and the letter of the Ecclesia Dei law. That is not surprising. They are spiritually and intellectually protestants and they are dooming what they claim to love...Go figure.

What is pathetic is that those who claim to love the 1962 Roman Missal encourage their mouthpieces in their sucidial actions. That illustrates the schismatic mindeset that suffuses the Indult crowd. The next Pope is likely to rescind the Indult given their enmity to authority<>

[Desdemona]

What is pathetic is that those who claim to love the 1962 Roman Missal encourage their mouthpieces in their sucidial actions. That illustrates the schismatic mindeset that suffuses the Indult crowd. The next Pope is likely to rescind the Indult given their enmity to authority

And throw the baby out with the bathwater again? I don't know, CG. There's room for both. But, there does need to be tighter control or the abuses in both are going to destroy it all.

[Catholicguy]

<> McCaffrey used to undermine and question the authority of Rome with impunity when he edited TLM. IT has goten worse since he left and FR McManus took over. Woods is now an editor on TLM and they feature Michael Davies, Chris Ferrara etc. It is fast becoming a high gloss "The Remnant"<>