RECOVERING THE TRUTH & A COMING TO A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF JESUS

Bet Emet Ministries ^ | Unknown | Craig Lyons

[ThomasMore]

To my mind, if you cast doubt on some of the New Testament, then you cast doubt on the whole thing.

I agree, ksen! If it is "not all", as Invincibly has suggested by stating "Why does it have to be all or nothing? ", then which one of you will tell me "authoritatively" that what I am reading is the "word of God".

[ksen]

In a nutshell, the doctrine of hereditary sin teaches we are born with INHERITED sin. It teaches that at birth a baby is despicably wicked and full of sin, which includes the "original sin" in the Garden of Eden! It makes each of us accountable for the sins of all our ancestors and considers sin a hereditary trait.

I think that guy better look in a different nutshell, because he picked up the wrong one.

[Alex Murphy]

I agree, ksen! If it is "not all", as Invincibly has suggested by stating "Why does it have to be all or nothing? ", then which one of you will tell me "authoritatively" that what I am reading is the "word of God".

I'll go one step further than that. By what standard do detractors determine which portions are true (or correctly translated, or contain the "true events", etc etc etc), and which are false/mistranslated/made up? How do those standards hold up when applied to more ancient manuscripts of the same works?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I agree, ksen! If it is "not all", as Invincibly has suggested by stating "Why does it have to be all or nothing? ", then which one of you will tell me "authoritatively" that what I am reading is the "word of God".

I suggest we do like the Bereans and let the Tenhak tell us what's authoritative and what's not.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

The scriptures they were searching certainly weren't orthodox NT scriptures.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'll go one step further than that. By what standard do detractors determine which portions are true (or correctly translated, or contain the "true events", etc etc etc), and which are false/mistranslated/made up? How do those standards hold up when applied to more ancient manuscripts of the same works?

See number 24.

[ksen]

Stephen,

Did you ever think you would stop thinking Jesus is God a year ago?

What makes you think that in another year you won't be denying the New Testament is God's Word and posting portions of Craig Lyons' web site for supporting info?

[RnMomof7]

Though he may deny it, one of the most treacherous, bitterly anti-Paul and anti-New Testament, subtle, and deceitful sueEb hyena pack leaders is Craig Lyons of Bet Emet ministries. He lures people into his site presenting himself as a searching Christian, even as he condemns all things with the slightest scent of Christianity. He falsifies himself often as a Christian, even though he is actually a VERY stauch antiChristian, to disarm those previously mentioned whose faith is in a weakened state and who are looking for guidance. His methods are a textbook example of deception. This is yet one of many ways he uses subtlety and deception throughout his spider’s web-world of trickery. I never cease to be amazed at his shamelessness and treacherously hidden agenda. His teachings are a mirror image of the general sueEb principles; therefore, anything I say about them applies to him and vice versa. His specialty is boiling frogs. More on this later.

Steve do you understand that most of us here do not think he is anymore lost than you are...different branches of the same doctrinally corrupt tree.

[RnMomof7]

Why does it have to be all or nothing? You've never cut a bad part off of a potato? If you dare read "the Orthodox Corruption of Scripture". Just a little proof for ya that when it came to the scibes disdain for adoptionists and adoptionists viewpoints that there were some scribal corruptions. No reason to throw out the rest of the highly reliabe NT writings.

Once you deny the inerrency of any portion of scripture you cast the total of it into doubt. It becomes every man picking and choosing what they want to believe..

Either the Holy Spirit inspired the entire text and preserved the text or none of it is worth anything

[CCWoody]

Here is an example of the duplicity of people who attempt to use the NT after they have declared it to be corrupt:

ksen ~ I am... claiming the NT is corrupted.....

Note how I make you say the exact opposite of what you actually said. These people are just as shallow in their arguments.

Woody.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

What makes you think that in another year you won't be denying the New Testament is God's Word and posting portions of Craig Lyons' web site for supporting info?

What makes you think you won't? Go ahead. Attack my credibility because I realize what I've believed for 30 years to be error. What would have me do? Not act upon it? That would be hypocritical. Yeshua's creed was the "Shema". "The Lord our God is One". The great delusion is that millions worship the created instead of the Creator. Sorry, I've left that camp with no apologies. I encourage you to refute with facts instead of lame attempts to cast dispersions on one's stability. You're better than that.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Once you deny the inerrency of any portion of scripture you cast the total of it into doubt. It becomes every man picking and choosing what they want to believe..

Either the Holy Spirit inspired the entire text and preserved the text or none of it is worth anything

Just because it tilts your feeble brain. I assure you I can handle it. I can say on one hand you disdain papacy, apostolic succession, pepetual virginity of Mary, etc., etc.. But you're right there to defend counsels of Binatarianism and Trinity. All or nothing sweetie.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Steve do you understand that most of us here do not think he is anymore lost than you are...different branches of the same doctrinally corrupt tree.

Sure I understand that. I'd actually be worried if you thought I was saved.

[RnMomof7]

I'll go one step further than that. By what standard do detractors determine which portions are true (or correctly translated, or contain the "true events", etc etc etc), and which are false/mistranslated/made up? How do those standards hold up when applied to more ancient manuscripts of the same works?

Exactly

We see an attack on the credibility of scripture from all the lost. That is WHY they are lost.

[ThomasMore]

These people are just as shallow in their arguments.

Maybe so! Yet, Invincibly Ignorant AKA Steven, has raised a point (even though he is apostate to the Christian faith) that every one of us who believe in the absolute inerrancy of the NT have to ask ourselves. How do we know that all 27 books and no more and no less are the inerrant word of God and the scores of other writings bearing Apostolic names are not?

Why are we right and Invincibly wrong?

[nobdysfool]

Are you saying you believe or agree with this screed? Or are you just quoting from another (unreferenced) source?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

We see an attack on the credibility of scripture from all the lost. That is WHY they are lost.

That's one thing those good for nothing Catholics got right. /sarcasm. Those scribes might have messed up on their Marian theology, purgatory, and indulgences but by golly they certainly let God guide their pen without error.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

whats a screed?

[nobdysfool]

whats a screed?

Alright, I'll state it plainly: toilet paper.

Actually in reading other posts, I've already got the answer to my questions. I have neither the time, or inclination to deal with willfully deceived, and spiritually ignorant junk such as what was posted. The diatribe against Calvinism is, rather than an indictment of it, clear proof that Total Depravity exists, and the author is a prime example of it.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I have neither the time, or inclination to deal with willfully deceived,

Pot & Kettle alert.

[RnMomof7]

What makes you think you won't? Go ahead. Attack my credibility because I realize what I've believed for 30 years to be error. What would have me do? Not act upon it? That would be hypocritical. Yeshua's creed was the "Shema". "The Lord our God is One". The great delusion is that millions worship the created instead of the Creator. Sorry, I've left that camp with no apologies. I encourage you to refute with facts instead of lame attempts to cast dispersions on one's stability. You're better than that.

Steve your heresy is nothing new to the church. It is not some grand "discovery" . I do not think you ever has a born again experience , or you would know that Jesus is God the Son. You would not be blown around with every wind of doctrine. I quote the words of John.

1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

You have been wandering around looking for a religion that would satisfy you , not the truth .

I agree with Kevin. Today it is this and tomorrow it will be something else.

I do not say that to you to be unkind, I would like you to consider the source of the book you read and then consider the scholarship of the men in the church councils that decried those heresies.The Shema proves the trinity to one that has open eyes