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The Revolution At The Tailgates: Ron Paul
Iowa Independent ^ | 11/17/2007 | John Deeth

Posted on 11/18/2007 8:40:08 AM PST by George W. Bush

State field director predicts second, even first in Iowa

It seems like when we're young, we like to break a few rules.  Staying out a little too late, sneaking a drink before that official legal age, or backing a candidate who's outside the established mold (YEEEEEAH!)

Several of those dynamics were on display Saturday at Olive Court, a notoriously wild tailgate spot three blocks from Iowa City's Kinnick Stadium.  It was here, just a year ago, that John Kerry was infamously photographed with a beer bong.  And into the anarchy marched the Ron Paul revolution.

Ron Paul wasn't imbibing himself, though a couple supporters appeared to have had their enthusiasm enhanced with a beer or three.  "All we have to do is obey the law of the land and make the Founders heroes again, and make the people in Washington realize that it's your life to lead as you choose and not for the government to tell you what to do with it," the Texas congressman told a crowd of 200.  The presidential candidate's message seemed to fit well in the boozy, young, free for all atmosphere of a Hawkeye tailgater.

"Every single day our numbers are growing exponentially, financially as well as volunteers," Paul told Iowa Independent after his speech.  "Our job is to get them to the polls, and it looks like we're moving in that direction.  Everybody's pretty excited."

Many supporters offered one-word answers for backing Paul, such as "Liberty" and "Freedom."  "We just want to be left alone" was the biggest applause line of the speech.

Some things are different at a Ron Paul rally.  Other candidates don't have custom-recorded songs, in rock, rap and country genres, with lyrics encompassing their name and platform.  (Typical lyric: "We need Doctor Paul to make a presidential house call.")  Most were tolerable, if over-enthusiastic, although the rewrite of "New York, New York" made me briefly think of Rudy Giuliani before it reached the chorus of "Ron Paul, Ron Paul," and the re-written lyrics to the Beatles' "Revolution" made this old-school Lennonist cringe.

There's also no mention by name of other candidates of either party, unlike other Republican candidates, whose speechwriters seem to get bonus pay for working in the word "Hillary" as much as possible.

You also hear about different issues at a Ron Paul event, like this week's "Liberty Dollar" controversy where a company making a private, silver and gold backed currency was shut down by the federal government.  "We ought to adhere to the Constitution and get rid of the Federal Reserve System," Paul said to applause.  "The constitution is rather clear, the Founders knew something about inflation."  (Paul also mentions the Founding Fathers more than any candidate since Pat Buchanan.)  "It says only gold and silver can be legal tender.  Today, instead of protecting the value of our money, this very week we have our government arresting people who want to use gold and silver money."

"We don't need a North American Union, we don't need an international currency, and we don't need an international highway running from Mexico all the way up to Canada," Paul said, citing the mythical "NAFTA Superhighway" that's been debunked.

A more politically significant difference: there are far few curiosity seekers at a Ron Paul rally than you see with most candidates.  A fair estimate is 90 percent or more of the crowd of 200 were, in caucus parlance, "1's" or committed supporters.  That's also about the percentage that waited in the handshake line as Paul patiently posed with everyone for photos and autographed yard signs.

Paul's big calling card to liberals is his absolutist anti-war position and his call for a foreign policy that is non-interventionist, but not isolationist.  "Our foreign policy of the last hundred years has created an American empire we can't afford.  It's time to end it to save the money," he said  "Those countries in the past that extended themselves too far always end in financial crises.  Not only should we bring our troops home from the Middle East, we need to get them out of Korea and Japan and Europe.  Take care of our own, have a strong national defense, at the same time stop the killing."

Paul's domestic policies are of a straightforward, less is more nature.  "Young people don't like the idea that another generation spent waaaaay beyond their means and they're dumping the debt on you and that's not fair.  I'm giving young people a chance to opt out.  If you don't like the idea of paying income tax or Social Security, we have a plan where you don't have to pay Social Security or income tax." That's an applause line, as a loud man in the front row shouts "FREEDOM!  FREEDOM!"

"These views are not strange or different, it's just that we have forgotten our way," Paul continues.  "Washington has forgotten about it, but the people in this country haven't.  You ought to have a natural right to keep everything you earn and not give it to the government to spend wastefully around the world."

The only thing that doesn't seem straightforward is when I directly ask Paul what he'll do if he's not the Republican nominee. 

Paul: "If they're not real close to my position on getting out of the war and balancing the budget, I'd have a lot of trouble giving (the nominee) public support."

Deeth: "What about running yourself?"

Paul: "I am running myself, right now.  (laughs)  It's too early to predict.  I would continue to do what I've been doing for 30 years, whether I'm running for Congress of running for the Presidency, or in Congress, I will just continue to fight this battle."

State field director Steve Meyer is predicting a second or even first place finish in Iowa and a New Hampshire win.  "You're going to see Democrats go to the caucus, you're going to see independents register as Republicans and go to the caucus.  Look at the donations.  We raised $4.2 million in one day and that all came from individuals.  $20 here, $100 there and no other campaign is doing that."

"You're seeing a lot of people who've been non-voters, not just because of age, they just haven't cared in the past," said Meyer.  "They're finally seeing a candidate who's walking the walk."

"In Iowa I think if we come on in the top five we'll we looking really strong, I believe we're going to come in top two.  He's pegged to come in number one in New Hampshire extremely strong."

But isn't there a chance that, if this favorable scenario that's not yet reflected in polls plays out, the rest of the GOP will get together behind a more mainstream Republican candidate to block Paul?

"It might make the point that they represent that status quo and I don't, and that might help me," Paul tells me.  "Because the people in this country are sick of the status quo."



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A fun article. Notice that Paul's state director, an experienced native Iowa operative, is showing considerable confidence.
1 posted on 11/18/2007 8:40:10 AM PST by George W. Bush
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A balanced article here. Iowa tailgaters for Ron Paul!
2 posted on 11/18/2007 8:42:51 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

I needed a good laugh for the day. The man and his followers are totally delusional (and wrong about so many thing).


3 posted on 11/18/2007 8:50:07 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: svcw

I wonder if this same outfit is running their false ads in Iowa?

A Paul supporting group is running radio ads that state Ron Paul is the only candidate who has ever done anything about illegal immigration. We all know Ron has never done one thing to stop it or secure the borders except recently give it lip service. Duncan Hunter and Tancredo have actually gotten legislation through to fix the mess. Ron Paul has never gotten one piece of his legislation through the process. NOT ONE. And they weren’t about stopping illegal immigration. I hope you will let them know not all of us will buy their lies.

http://www.nevadansforamerica.org/


4 posted on 11/18/2007 8:51:24 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: svcw

So basically you’re upset that people are finally supporting the candidate they want instead of the one spoon-fed to them by the media.


5 posted on 11/18/2007 8:54:33 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: AuntB

Wow. What an ad. I know candidates and supporters will stretch accomplishments but this ad just plain lies.
I really think that RP supporters think they know what he stands for and just keep repeating what they think he has said but do not know anything about him.


6 posted on 11/18/2007 8:56:00 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Ok, I am confused. What is the question?


7 posted on 11/18/2007 8:57:01 AM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: George W. Bush
Notice that Paul's state director, an experienced native Iowa operative, is showing considerable confidence.

So, a Ron Turd minion is showing optimism and that should be noted?

I'm sure Bill Richardson's and Chris Dodd's Iowa state directors are showing optimism as well -- that's what they're paid to do.

8 posted on 11/18/2007 8:57:33 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
I'm sure Bill Richardson's and Chris Dodd's Iowa state directors are showing optimism as well -- that's what they're paid to do.

So is Duncan's campaign guy. But that didn't prevent him from saying Duncan could never win publicly just prior to Duncan winning the Texas straw poll. Well, hopefully Duncan fired the idiot.

This particular Iowan has a track record in delivering votes in IA. I wouldn't discount him. And one of NH's leading pro-life legislator's has a similar track record in NH.

RP supporters feel very confident in the quality of leadership for the ground campaign in those states.
9 posted on 11/18/2007 9:11:20 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush
RP supporters feel very confident in the quality of leadership for the ground campaign in those states.

I'm sure Dennis Kuchinich and Mike Gravel supporters feel the same way.

10 posted on 11/18/2007 9:14:08 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: AuntB
AuntB, we all like Duncan and Tancredo just fine. I suppose that most RP supporters would lean toward Tanc as a fiscal conservative despite Duncan's absolutely essential leadership on the fence in 2006. But that doesn't mean that either one has the money or the organization in the early primary states to prevail.

That's just how it is. If the situation was reversed and Paul had no chance, many of us RP supporters would be switching to Tanc or Duncan (or maybe Fred).

BTW, Tanc's supporters are ready to come over to the RP campaign when Tanc drops out. At least in NH, not as certain in IA.
11 posted on 11/18/2007 9:14:58 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush
I suppose that most RP supporters would lean toward Tanc as a fiscal conservative . .

You mean all those Dims and anti-war Code Pinkers and nutty Truthers would go for anybody but Paul? Unbelievable! </sarcasm>

12 posted on 11/18/2007 10:28:12 AM PST by logician2u
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To: George W. Bush

Good article, George, and some excellent photos of those moonbats who believe the Consitution is not yet outmoded.


13 posted on 11/18/2007 10:29:58 AM PST by logician2u
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To: All
Would those of you who prefer to hit and run by adding nonsense keywords care to stay around to defend your actions?

Or are you the types that would rather have someone else cover for you while you sit in your easy chair waiting for the game to start?

14 posted on 11/18/2007 10:34:28 AM PST by logician2u
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; Grizzled Bear; lormand; ejonesie22; BlackElk; elhombrelibre; ...

"Look at US! We're MOONBATS!! YEEEAH!"

15 posted on 11/18/2007 10:55:31 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: Allegra

LoL!


16 posted on 11/18/2007 11:12:14 AM PST by End Times Crusader (!!!!!!!!!ELECT RON PAUL AS PRESIDENT OR THE WORLD WILL END!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Allegra
Run Paul’s for the constitution just like President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is for the US constitution; they’ve a similar agenda.
17 posted on 11/18/2007 11:13:57 AM PST by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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To: logician2u; All

Um, I think the started the game without you...


18 posted on 11/18/2007 12:20:22 PM PST by ejonesie22 (ROMNEY HOCKS! (hey, he's spent a lot of his own cash so far...))
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To: Allegra

I am moron, hear me roar...


19 posted on 11/18/2007 12:20:57 PM PST by ejonesie22 (ROMNEY HOCKS! (hey, he's spent a lot of his own cash so far...))
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To: George W. Bush

“’We don’t need a North American Union, we don’t need an international currency, and we don’t need an international highway running from Mexico all the way up to Canada,’ Paul said, citing the mythical ‘NAFTA Superhighway’ that’s been debunked.”

Debunked! What is this guy smoking?


20 posted on 11/18/2007 12:33:28 PM PST by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: Commander8; George W. Bush
Debunked! What is this guy smoking?

Commander8: Good to see you on the boards, been a while.

i think that Paul intends to convey that it's the idea that we need a NAFTA Superhighway, that has been debunked.

Last time i checked, Paul certainly did believe that there were plans for a North American Union and a NAFTA Super highway.

21 posted on 11/18/2007 1:40:42 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Allegra

Do ya think that fellow looks familiar...?


22 posted on 11/18/2007 1:54:52 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

Actually I was referring to Mr. Deeth.
But yeah, the need for such a highway has been debunked.


23 posted on 11/18/2007 2:10:45 PM PST by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: logician2u
Would those of you who prefer to hit and run by adding nonsense keywords care to stay around to defend your actions?

Aw lighten up, it's harmless fun. I thought "preciousbodilyfluids" was a riot, myself. :D
24 posted on 11/18/2007 3:09:43 PM PST by publiusF27
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To: publiusF27; logician2u

You have to admit that it was a rather impressive list ;’}


25 posted on 11/18/2007 4:14:07 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: George W. Bush

I spend a lot of time working in Napa and the Napa Valley wine country... and so far the ONLY signs I’ve seen for President ‘08 have been Ron Paul signs. And a fair number of them. NO ONE else, not even ‘Rat signs... Tis passing strange, methinks! But in a GOOD sense...


26 posted on 11/18/2007 7:45:44 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: ejonesie22

“I am moron, hear me roar...”

OK, I hear you loud and clear.

Too bad you have nothing productive to say, though!


27 posted on 11/18/2007 7:49:37 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: George W. Bush
State field director predicts second, even first in Iowa

Live by the slogan, die by the slogan. Careful Paulbots, you are putting your boy's whole campaign on the line with this sort of talk If he ends up out of the running in Iowa now, his campaign is finished just like Dean's was.

28 posted on 11/19/2007 4:38:50 AM PST by MNJohnnie (FUND THE WAR! DEFUND THE PORK! FIX THE ATM!-DO SOMETHING DEMOCRATS!)
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To: George W. Bush
State field director predicts second, even first in Iowa

Live by the slogan, die by the slogan. Careful Paulbots, you are putting your boy's whole campaign on the line with this sort of talk If he ends up out of the running in Iowa now, his campaign is finished just like Dean's was.

29 posted on 11/19/2007 4:38:53 AM PST by MNJohnnie (FUND THE WAR! DEFUND THE PORK! FIX THE ATM!-DO SOMETHING DEMOCRATS!)
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To: dcwusmc
Doh, ya got me...

Productive? It’s a Ron Paul thread, productive has nothing to do with it...

30 posted on 11/19/2007 4:39:38 AM PST by ejonesie22 (ROMNEY HOCKS! (hey, he's spent a lot of his own cash so far...))
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To: MNJohnnie; fortheDeclaration
Careful Paulbots, you are putting your boy's whole campaign on the line with this sort of talk If he ends up out of the running in Iowa now, his campaign is finished just like Dean's was.

Conventionally, there are either two or three tickets out of Iowa to go to NH. Given the presence of a leftwinger (Giuliani) in the GOP field, that rule may need to be revisited. For instance, I don't think Fred Thompson should drop out if he gets a fourth or lower in either IA or NH.

Maybe it is you who should be more careful about setting such gates for candidate credibility, not us RP supporters.

For instance, if Mitt takes #1 in IA/NH, Ron Paul and McCain take #2 & #3 in both contests, would you then say that Fred and Rudi and the others should all just drop out? Well, of course not.

Try to be consistent if you want people to debate you seriously.

BTW, Johnnie, have you declared for a candidate yet? Just curious.
31 posted on 11/19/2007 5:06:42 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: MNJohnnie; George W. Bush
Live by the slogan, die by the slogan. Careful Paulbots, you are putting your boy's whole campaign on the line with this sort of talk If he ends up out of the running in Iowa now, his campaign is finished just like Dean's was.

This is going to be campaign of attrition.

No other candidates have any geninue enthusiasm for them.

The only thing that they have going for them are some polls showing that they can beat Hillary.

If it looks like she is starting to fade it will open the field.

We realize that RP is a 'dark horse'

32 posted on 11/19/2007 5:35:09 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: George W. Bush
No no no. YOU are the people claiming he is going to place 1st or 2nd in Iowa. You don’t get to claim this is the analysis of “an experienced native Iowa operative” then make excuses if Paul finishes way down in the also ran column.

If Paul doesn’t do well in Iowa that indicates that what the critics have been saying all along is correct. Paul is a flash in the pan without any serious depth or support beyond a staged managed PR campaign by fringe wack job groups and Leftist pushing to use Paul as a 2008 Electoral Trojan Horse for Hillary

33 posted on 11/19/2007 6:46:15 AM PST by MNJohnnie (FUND THE WAR! DEFUND THE PORK! FIX THE ATM!-DO SOMETHING DEMOCRATS!)
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34 posted on 11/19/2007 8:08:21 AM PST by lormand
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To: Allegra; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
For being nasty to poor Ron and his supporters, you've made the club.

LibertyPost Opinion Poll: Worst FReeper

35 posted on 11/19/2007 8:29:23 AM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: SJackson
For being nasty to poor Ron and his supporters, you've made the club.

Wow. It's like a cross between the defunct Clown Posse and a Ron Paul Worship forum.

I'm flattered! {blush!}

36 posted on 11/19/2007 11:32:27 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: SJackson
Too funny! Someone voted for GeorgiaConservative (The polls author)...;'}
37 posted on 11/19/2007 9:45:41 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: LdSentinal
So, a Ron Turd minion is showing optimism and that should be noted?

How in the world do you think that using the colloquial term for excrement on a forum that is read internationally is going to advance your agenda?

I'm curious, and would love to see a show of hands from FReepers who identify with your philosophy of vilification of those with whom you disagree and cheap word play on another's name. Who would like to share a beer with you, the prison guards from 'Cool Hand Luke?'

Why can't you simply discuss the ideas presented, pro and con, without resorting to cheap rhetoric? I'll give you a reason why you should consider doing this: Every time you and others who think the same as you spout off in this low manner, I am driven more to look to those you despise - My enemie's enemy is my friend, so to speak. And I don't want to have anything to do with you low-class and no-class buffoons. The people you are bad-mouthing are not using language not suitable for mixed company, and they are not attacking you or your candidates.

Why do you feel you behavious is acceptable, warranted, or desirable or in any way better makes your point better than your apponents? Seriously, 'Your Mother wears combat boots' went out in the Second Grade. Please, let's debate, simple name-calling is so, so, unproductive.

38 posted on 12/12/2007 4:24:13 PM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: SandwicheGuy
Well, as Elbert Hubbard once said:

"If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names."

39 posted on 12/14/2007 11:42:47 AM PST by fod (we are dancing on a volcano)
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To: no one in particular
has this forum has gone from being anti-libertarian to outright anti-liberty?

pity

40 posted on 12/14/2007 12:21:10 PM PST by fod (we are dancing on a volcano)
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