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The FReeper Foxhole's TreadHead Tuesday - PanzerKampfwagen VIB - King Tiger - Mar. 16th, 2004
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Posted on 03/16/2004 12:00:43 AM PST by SAMWolf



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PanzerKampfwagen VIB
King Tiger




The Tiger II was also known as "Tiger Ausf. B" or "Königstiger" (King Tiger) and was the last major tank design to see service during the war. The original Tiger design was finalised before the Russian T-34 was encountered so it lacked the excellent ballistic shape which was a feature of the Panther. The Tiger II went into production late in 1943 and was first engaged in action on the Russian front in August 1944 and was later encountered by the Allies in France in August of that year. It was born of a demand from the Waffenamt (Army Weapons Office) in August 1942 for a redesigned Tiger tank incorporating thicker armor, sloped plates to deflect shots as on the Panther and T-34, and armed with the 88mm L/71 gun, which should be capable of dealing with any new tank development that the Russians could possibly produce.


Tiger II with Porsche turret


Both Porsche and Henschel were asked to submit designs to these specifications. The Porsche design (VK 4502P) had alternative layouts with the turret either well forward or at the back of the hull. It was to mount the longer L/71 KwK 43 gun as in the Elefant tank destroyer. At first the Porsche model was considered for production and the construction of turrets by Wegmann of Kassel for this vehicle began, but due to the shortage of copper required for the parts in the electrical transmission this tank project was cancelled. The Waffenamt also rejected the electric drive as unreliable and too sophisticated for service conditions.


Adding camouflage colours


The second design from Henschel (VK 4503H) was powered conventionally like their Tiger I and was accepted. The project was put in hand as a top priority effort and the first prototype was delivered in November 1943. By that time the Panther II had been designed, and under the new rationalisation policy it was decided that as many parts of the Panther II as possible had to be incorporated to standardise design features between the two vehicles. Production of the Tiger Ausf. "B" began in December 1943 on the Henschel production line, parallel to that which was building the Tiger Ausf. E. The first production models began to reach the Army late in February 1944.


Tiger II of the "Feldherrnhalle" Panzergrenadier Division (1945)


Henschel remained the sole builders of the Tiger II during its whole production life. By September 1944 Tiger Ausf. E production ceased completely in favour of the new vehicle. Production was scheduled to reach a rate of approximately 145 per month, but disruption by enemy bombing and shortage of materials reduced the best ever monthly output to 84 in August 1944. By the end of the war 487 Tiger IIs had been produced. The first 50 Tiger IIs to be completed were fitted with the spare turrets originally intended for the Porsche Tiger. This turret had a curved front mantlet and a bulged commander's cupola on the left side. The remaining vehicles had a Henschel-designed turret, having thicker armour and eliminating the re-entrant angle under the mantlet.


The protective effect of the sloped lines


The Tiger II was derived from the Tiger Ausf. E and both tanks had many features in common. At the same time it bore a much closer resemblance to the late model Panther. Common fittings included cupolas, engines, engine covers and road wheels. Compared with the other vehicles the Tiger II had thicker armor and was dimensionally larger. It incorporated various features which experience had shown were desirable; notably the front glacis plate, which was now sloped as on the Panther and T-34 tanks instead of squarely vertical as on the original Tiger. The armor protection, particularly that carried on the front of the vehicle, was the thickest to be employed on a tank that was due for large scale production. The front plate was 150mm set at a 40o angle, the turret face 180mm thick, and the side and tail plates, including the turret wall, were 80mm thick. Frontal attack of this tank, by any weapon available to the Allies, was out of question.


After completing the camouflage, the crew fit the armored mudguards.


The extremely wide tracks gave the Tiger II good cross-country performance despite its excessive weight. The Tiger II incorporated all the good points of the Panther tank and armed with a new main armament, the 88mm KwK 43 L/71 which was almost 21ft long. This gun represented the largest calibre length to be employed operationally by the Germans in a tank mounting during the war. There was a small, conical Saukopf (pig's head) mantlet, and a well-sloped turret and sloped morticed armor plates making up the hull. The tanks were often covered with Zimmerit to prevent the attachments of magnetic mines.


A battalion of Tiger IIs drawn up for inspection in Paderborn-Sennelager, autumn 1944


Internally the vehicle followed the usual German layout with front sprocket drive and crew positions as for the Panther. The big turret had several interesting features; it lacked the usual basket and was built out very wide over an immense 73inch diameter turret ring. To assist in loading the big ammunition rounds carried, 22 rounds were mounted in the rear turret bulge, thus giving the loader a minimum handling movement. Power traverse was as for the Panther and Tiger.


Tiger of sPzAbt. 'Fernherrnhalle' in Budapest, spring 1945


Suspension was by torsion bars and it followed the same type of arrangement as in the Tiger Ausf. E. However, the wheels were overlapped rather than interleaved as on the Tiger. This change was adapted to simplify the maintenance problems which had been inherent with interleaved road wheels. Similarly, the tendency for the wheels to freeze solid with packed snow was obviated to some extent. Steel-tyred resiliently sprung wheels (which featured a layer of rubber between two steel tyres) were standard on the Tiger II as on the late models Tiger Ausf. E and Panthers.


The early-style turret.............The Serien-Turm (series turret).




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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; PhilDragoo; All
Evening all!


141 posted on 03/16/2004 8:27:36 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts are: 2 for minor arm and thigh injury and 1 for killing a semi-dead VietCong)
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To: SAMWolf
No secret, now even Laura knows.

Today's thread was excellent and we had a lot of good comments and as always good friends stopping in. I hope you don't run out of tanks. I like TreadHead Tuesday.

It's time for me to turn in so I'll say goodnight. Good night Sam. ;-)
142 posted on 03/16/2004 8:27:42 PM PST by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Good Evening Victoria
143 posted on 03/16/2004 8:28:40 PM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Somehow I doubt Laura reads Treadhead Tuesday.

See you tomorrow, good night, Snippy.
144 posted on 03/16/2004 8:29:59 PM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: Matthew Paul
It would appear SOME Europeans get it.
145 posted on 03/16/2004 8:36:20 PM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: Professional Engineer; Valin
I was on in Boston in 1970.

I understand Perot has some planking of her in his office.

I wonder if Kerry met with King George and got his endorsement.

Of course, it's none of my business.

146 posted on 03/16/2004 8:54:23 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: SAMWolf
Just out of curiosity, how much is it worth to you to NOT have Mrs. SAMWolf know about you and Laura Ingram?
147 posted on 03/16/2004 8:59:08 PM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: WhiskeyPapa; SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; Professional Engineer; colorado tanker; Valin; CholeraJoe; ..
John Towle FULL MEDAL OF HONOR CITATION
148 posted on 03/16/2004 9:01:50 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
LOL! Are you a Rebublican? Did you vote for Georg Bush?
149 posted on 03/16/2004 9:15:02 PM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: Valin
Too Late. She already knows. ;-)

She knows about the BicycleSpankenTruppen too. :-)
150 posted on 03/16/2004 9:16:06 PM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: PhilDragoo
WOW. Great painting on that site. It's been added to my wallpaper collection.
151 posted on 03/16/2004 9:19:22 PM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: SAMWolf
I'm thinking we're witnessing the rise of McKerryism.

"Are you now, or have you at any time, been a member of the Republican Party?"

Have you at last no decency, Senator? Oh, that's right, it's none of my business.

152 posted on 03/16/2004 9:24:47 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
One things for sure, every Socialist and Communist Country seems to be backing him. That should be ringing alarm bells in every American.
153 posted on 03/16/2004 9:33:39 PM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: SAMWolf
DAMN! That means I have to go to work tommorrow.


[Sleep is] the golden chain that ties health and our bodies together.
Thomas Dekker

See you in the morning.

154 posted on 03/16/2004 9:34:50 PM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: Valin
DAMN! That means I have to go to work tommorrow.

LOL. You didn't think it'd be THAT easy did you?

155 posted on 03/16/2004 9:35:53 PM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; E.G.C.; Victoria Delsoul; Professional Engineer; colorado tanker; ...

Sam's Garage

See links at bottom for three galleries of Königstiger fotos

Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf B

Koenigstiger / King (Royal) Tiger / Tiger II ~ Sd. Kfz. 182

Click on any image at right and follow the arrows forward or back for a slide show.

Paratroopers hitching a ride on a King Tiger belonging to s.SS Pz. Abt. 501

King Tiger Mk1

One size bigger than the M4 Sherman of the same scale, the Heavy Tank Type VI King Tiger lives up to its name

Why, the Sherman looks like a little toy--oh.

The well-armored Royal Tiger is better armed than the standard Tiger. The Model 43 88 has a length of 71 calibers (71 times 88 mm), as compared with 56 calibers for the older Tiger's KwK 36. The Model 43 has a muzzle velocity of 2,460 feet per second with high explosive, and as much as 3,708 feet per second with armor-piercing rounds. Since the time of flight of an armor-piercing round at a range of 2,200 yards is 2.2 seconds or less, accuracy and correction of fire against moving targets is greater than with older tank and antitank guns.

Tamiya 1:35th Scale Military Kitsets

Fotos de Segunda Guerra Mundial

King Tiger in Photos

SPEAKERS UP!

Bicyclespankentruppenjugend mit AK-47

Bicyclespankentruppen IT Brigade mit cherry tart

156 posted on 03/16/2004 10:31:43 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening Phil Dragoo.

I had the Tamyia Model of the King Tiger with the Porsche Turret. Unfortunately, I trusted my in-laws to move it to Oregon. It didn't survive the trip.

I wish that was my garage! Maybe someday I'll be able to buy an Armor Museum. :-)

More BicycleSpankenTruppen! The IT Brigade looks good, I like cherry tarts.:-)

Gasp does that kid have a firearm!!! What would the hankie-stompers have to say about that??

Snippy teases me about Laura, cuz I told her I like her voice. That'll teach me.

Some great photos on those links. I got to crawl around on the King Tiger Peiper's Kampfgruppe abandoned in Le Gleize, Belgium.
157 posted on 03/16/2004 10:56:52 PM PST by SAMWolf (No one wants to talk about the number 288, it's too gross.)
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To: Professional Engineer
Hey -- What if George Washington had a King Tiger? How could he have gotten across the Delaware?

One of Henry Knox's AVLB assault bridges, of course! And perhaps a few pontoons....


158 posted on 03/16/2004 11:51:10 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: PhilDragoo; SAMWolf
Very nice PhilD. But there's another Panzer, though a not a KingTiger, that I don't think you'll want to overlook:

Helmut...1/3rd scale...working main gun and bow gun....

159 posted on 03/17/2004 12:03:22 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: PhilDragoo
Bicyclespankentruppen IT Brigade mit cherry tart

Good heavens, man! Whilst on one's bi-cycle?!? Or do they come to a halt and dismount first?

160 posted on 03/17/2004 12:10:55 AM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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