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The FReeper Foxhole Revisits The Battle of Antietam (Sharpsburg) 9/17/1862 Part II - Sep. 18th, 2004
http://www.texasrifles.com ^ | July 30, 1995 | Peter Carlson

Posted on 09/17/2004 10:29:31 PM PDT by snippy_about_it



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Grant them a safe and swift return...

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The Battle at Antietam, Part II

'If you turn around, folks, you'll see a road like most of you have in your own home town,' says Jerry Holsworth.



Union Generals William French and Israel Richardson moved their divisions up this elongated ridge to assist Sedgwick but veered slightly to their left and directly into the center of the Confederate line under General Daniel Hill who was reinforced by General Richard Anderson. An 800 yard long sunken road, worn deep over the years by heavy grain wagons made an ideal defense for Hill's troops to aim at Union forces marching toward them in almost parade rank formation. The roar of gunfire was loud and long. Anderson's backup division of 3,400 troops was mostly destroyed. One Union officer later wrote: “For three hours and thirty minutes, the battle raged incessantly without either party giving way.” Over 5,500 men died in the area of Bloody Lane.


He points south, to a sunken dirt road set behind a snake-rail fence about 500 yards from the Dunkard Church. "See, back in the Civil War, folks didn't like to get caught in traffic any more than we do today. So what do you do? Why, you build a bypass, that's what you do. This is the Sharpsburg, Maryland, Civil War bypass. Over the years, it had worn down from heavy use, and folks called it the Sunken Road."

The Confederates were crouched in that Sunken Road. It made a good natural trench -- even better after the Rebels tore down William Roulette's fences and piled the rails in front of them. Dug in, they waited for the Federals to attack.


Remembering his assurance to General Lee that the Confederate center would be defended against the Federals, Colonel John B. Gordon in the oppressive heat near the noon hour stumbles from one flank of his fighting regiment to the other. With blood flowing from his wounds, he inspires the Sixth Alabama to fight on. As he inspects the determined Gray line, Colonel Gordon notices a wounded father holding his lifeless son and also the many devoted Southern soldiers ensuring that the promise to General Lee will be kept. He has sent a young messenger toward the right flank to remind the men of their duty to General Lee, but the messenger has fallen dead. Colonel Gordon knows if the message is to be delivered, he alone must take the risk. Surppressing his pain, he pushes on, knowing he can never abandon his men unless his will is stripped from him by a bullet. This is shortly to occur when a shot strikes him in the face, rending him unconscious. Nevertheless, his men will stand steadfast.


Just as the battle in the Cornfield died out, the attack came. Gen. William French's division was supposed to follow Sedgwick's troops to the Dunkard Church, but French's men got lost in the smoke and confusion and marched, shoulder to shoulder, right toward the Sunken Road. The Confederates waited silently, watching the Yankees march over the crest of a hill that ran parallel to the road about a hundred yards away -- first the American flags appeared, then their heads and shoulders. Finally, when the Rebels could see the bluecoats' belts, they rose and fired, blasting away 150 men in French's front line.

The Federals retreated, regrouped, then returned. Again the Rebels blew them away. Again they fell back. Again they attacked. Again they were driven back, suffering terrible casualties. Finally, after three hours of fighting and the arrival of reinforcements, the Yankees seized a little hill above the Rebels' right. From there, they could fire down into the Sunken Road, killing Confederates by the score. It was, one Union soldier said, like "shooting sheep in a pen."

The Rebels fled, leaving behind so many dead comrades that, as one Union soldier put it, a man could have walked the road from end to end without ever touching ground. The Sunken Road had earned a new nickname: Bloody Lane.



Now, the Confederate line was broken in its center. With one quick push, McClellan could have cut Lee's army in two, then destroyed it. He had fresh troops ready to go. But he never gave the order to attack.

"It would not be prudent," he explained.

A battered old school bus now painted the color of dried blood bounces into the parking lot and rumbles to a stop at Bloody Lane.

Inside are 20 members of the Civil War Society, a group based in Berryville, Va., that sponsors battlefield tours and seminars. These are hard-core buffs. They've come from Ohio, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, even Bermuda to ride canoes down Antietam Creek with historian Dennis Frye. Last night, Frye, who grew up near Antietam and has been studying it since was 4 years old, delivered a long, passionate lecture on the battle. This morning, he marched the group across the battlefield so he could explain exactly what happened to Sedgwick's division. Now, he has stopped the bus for a few words about Bloody Lane.

"These attacks were never ordered by McClellan," he says. "They were accidental. They happened because they couldn't see Sedgwick. They were lost."

Frye isn't thrilled to be explaining all this from the bus. "The only way you can understand a battlefield," he likes to say, "is to stand on the battlefield." But he's eager to get his students into canoes for their trip down the creek, so he has to cut this lecture short. He asks if there are any questions.

"How many casualties were there here at Bloody Lane?" asks Lawrence Donohoe.

About 3,000 for the Federals, Frye replies, more than 2,000 for the Confederates.

"In three hours?" Donohoe asks.

"Right," Frye replies.

"Incredible," Donohoe says.

He's a 68-year-old lawyer from Louisiana, a short, portly gentleman with glasses and a gray mustache. This is his second trip with the Civil War Society. He went to Gettysburg last year. His interest was sparked by Ken Burns's Civil War series on PBS. "All those old pictures intrigued me," he says.

Now, as the bus chugs down the road, Donohoe recalls the day some 60 years ago when he met his grandmother's uncle, who had fought for the Rebels at Vicksburg. "He was kind of a scary fellow. He wore dark clothes and had a long gray beard and a walking stick, and he was frightening to a little fella like me."


General Burnside


After the fall of Vicksburg, grandma's uncle got home to Louisiana by grabbing hold of a big log and floating across the Mississippi. Or so the family legend goes.

"I'm intrigued by the fact that: Here I am, alive, and I talked to a fellow who actually fought in that war 130 years ago," Donohoe says. "It's amazing."

"Don't forget your great-great-grandfather," says his son, Tim Donohoe, a psychologist and Civil War buff who has researched the family tree.

"My great-great-grandfather was killed at the Battle of Mansfield," Donohoe says, referring to the fighting along the Red River in Louisiana in 1864. "We tried to find his grave, but we couldn't . . . All we know is that we could trace him to the battle and he never came home. He was a young man who just never came home."

The bus stops at the Pry house, where McClellan made his headquarters during the battle. Frye wants to show the group what McClellan could and could not see from his command post.

Donohoe is talking about a book on Antietam that he tried, and failed, to read. It contained those Alexander Gardner photographs of the battlefield. "I would take a look at that book in bed," he says, "but I found I could not look at it without crying. I'd look at those faces and read the names of these kids 17, 18, 19 years old and I'd get tears in my eyes. I was touched by the fact that so many of these young kids got killed there. It's such a sad thing."

Donohoe shuffles off the bus with the other buffs and starts up the hill to the overlook where McClellan watched the carnage unfold in the valley below.

"This is quite an emotional thing for me right now," he says softly.






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"The final phase of the battle concerned the lower bridge -- the Rohrbach Bridge," says Jerry Holsworth. "After this battle, it will be forever known as the Burnside Bridge. Why? Because Ambrose Burnside is ordered to take his Ninth Corps and seize the bridge ! Take Sharpsburg ! The bridge is defended by 400 Georgians -- and they have the best defensive positions on the field!"


Union General Ambrose Burnside had been trying for hours to move a corps of 12,000 men across this 125 foot narrow stone arch bridge over Antietam Creek to the southeast of Sharpsburg, in an attempt to over-run Lee's right flank. On the west side of the bridge and greatly outnumbered was General Robert Toombs with about 400 Georgia sharpshooters who easily repulsed Federal troops by aiming down on them from a wooded bluff. Level fields to the east side of the bridge made Union troops easy targets; a virtually turkey shoot as the men in Blue had to come out into full view in order to get across the open structured bridge. Only with the promise of whiskey did Union troops propel themselves into a suicidal charge across the bridge. Fortune rings unpredictably though, for as the Confederates were finally being dislodged from this hill and driven toward Sharpsburg, they were reinforced by the arrival of General Ambrose Hill who had just led his troops on a hurried seventeen mile return march from Harpers Ferry. Georgia born Robert Toombs, who narrowly missed being selected as Vice-President of the Confederacy, was elated to welcome Hill's tired but committed troops. This unnamed bridge was later called Burnside Bridge.


Holsworth is really rolling now. Sweat is pouring from under his ranger hat and dripping down his face, but he keeps moving, telling the story of the battle with plenty of gestures and exclamation points.

"Early in the morning, Burnside attacks ! And it fails !

"Early afternoon, he tries again! And fails again!

"The third time, though, he takes the bridge !"

Holsworth pauses, looks at his audience. "Is there anybody here from Georgia? Your guys just ran out of ammunition."

He returns to his storytelling mode. "Burnside brings the entire Ninth Corps -- 9,000 Union soldiers -- across that bridge, forms them in line of battle, and begins to attack Sharpsburg ! Sharpsburg is defended by an under-strength Confederate division -- barely 2,000 men. They're hopelessly outnumbered! They're being pushed back everywhere because Burnside's attack is relentless !


It was nearly 1 p.m., September 17, 1862. The rumbling of artillery and rattle of musketry to the north had been going on for six hours now and word had reached Colonel Edward Ferrero that Major General Burnside wanted his troops across this stone bridge spanning Antietam Creek.
Some of General Robert E. Lee's Georgians were dug in on the opposite bank making the bridge a focal point for their fire. The Union assault had been held up since 10 a.m. that morning. Now, something must be done.
The 51st Pennsylvania and the 51st New York had nearly gotten into position. The Pennsylvanians were particularly surly that afternoon; for misconduct on the march, their whisky ration had been cut. Ferrero spoke to them: "It is General Burnside's special request that the two 51st regiments take the bridge. Will you do it?"
The silence was broken by one of the Pennsylvanians making a soldier's bargain: "Will you give us our whisky, Colonel, it we take it?"
"Yes, by God!" The colonel sealed the pact. "You shall have all you want, if you take that bridge."
Led by Captain William Allabaugh, three color bearers and their guards, and their Colonel John Hartranft, they stormed the bridge and established a Union foothold on that end of the field.


"Take Sharpsburg and Lee's escape will be cut! Lee is watching this disaster from a place pretty close to where our national cemetery is today. There, he's watching the destruction of his army! There, he's watching the end of the war in total defeat ! There, he's watching the lives of every one of his soldiers who has died so far in this war lost in vain ! He has a broken wrist on one hand, the other hand is sprained -- both from a fall off his horse a few days earlier. He can't hold a telescope, so he calls over a staff officer. He points in the direction of Burnside Bridge: Who are those men?' Staff officer comes over, pulls open his telescope" -- Holsworth mimes the action as he describes it -- "looks in the direction of the Burnside Bridge, says, General Lee, they're flying the United States flag.' "

Holsworth stops. "If you remember, don't say a word! But I'll bet most of you forgot."

He resumes his story: "Now, Lee sees dust clouds from another direction! Who are those men?' The staff officer brings forward his telescope, looks in the direction of Harpers Ferry, says, General Lee, they're flying the Confederate and Virginia flags.' Lee turns to the staff officer and very calmly says, It is A.P. Hill from Harpers Ferry.' "

Holsworth pauses dramatically, then proceeds. "Hearing the shots very early in the morning, A.P. Hill has moved his division out! They've marched 17 miles in eight hours! He's brought his whole division across the wide, rock-bottom Potomac River! It's one of the great military miracles in American history -- because now, as Burnside is about to seize Sharpsburg and end the war, A.P. Hill suddenly appears on his left flank! Crashes into it! Throws Burnside back to the bridge! Ends the battle! Saves Lee's army!"


Burnside's Bridge - Confederate view


"You don't know what a thrill this is for me," says Edmund Burnside Sr. as his son pulls his white Oldsmobile into the parking lot overlooking the Burnside Bridge.

He's so thrilled that he can barely wait for the people who are climbing into a car with Indiana license plates to hurry up and move out of the way. "Come on, you damn Yankees, get on in!"

Finally, the Indiana Yankees drive off and Burnside's son, Edmund Jr., parks the Olds. They climb out and walk past a group of tourists studying a sign about the battle.

"If these people only knew who was walking by them," says the senior Burnside.

"Calm down, Pop," says his son.

But he can't calm down. Burnside, 71, a retired General Motors manager, is all keyed up. He has come all the way from Georgia to see where his most illustrious relative fought. Gen. Ambrose Burnside was, he says, the nephew of his great-great-grandfather. Growing up in Michigan, Burnside was aware of this connection to history, but he never paid much attention to it. Then, in the '50s, GM transferred him to Georgia, where he learned that many Southerners looked askance at his surname. One day, he was introduced to a man who immediately asked if he was kin to that Yankee general. Burnside proudly answered yes, and the man promptly threw him off his property. "They take it real serious down South," he says.


Burnside's Bridge - Union view


Curious, he started reading up on his distinguished relative. To his dismay, he found that many historians regard the general as a bumbling incompetent. In fact, quite a few of them blame Gen. Burnside for failing to get his troops across Antietam Creek quickly enough to seize Sharpsburg. "Burnside wasted the morning and part of the afternoon crossing the stubbornly defended bridge," wrote James M. McPherson in his Pulitzer Prize-winning book Battle Cry of Freedom, "when his men could have waded the nearby fords against little opposition." Other historians disagree, however, arguing that the creek was too difficult to ford, and Edmund Burnside Sr. is firmly convinced that they are right. So convinced, in fact, that he once delivered a lecture defending the general to a group of Civil War buffs in Georgia. And now he has come to Antietam to see the place for himself.

"I didn't know his bridge was this big," he says when he catches his first glimpse of the stone span. He lights up a cigar with a white plastic tip and watches the tourists wander by. "I could give these tourists a thrill if I tell 'em who we are," he says. "They want a history lesson? We'll give it to them. Give me a crowd! I'll tell you about this bridge!"

His son doesn't look too happy about that idea. A 28-year-old tree surgeon, the younger Burnside is a Civil War buff, too, but he's more interested in reenacting battles than in rehabilitating the Burnside name. The two men pose for pictures on the bridge, then cross to the other side -- the side that Burnside's troops attacked from -- and look at the scene from the general's perspective.

Not surprisingly, the elder Burnside quickly concludes that it would have been impossible to ford the creek. "If they woulda got across the water, they couldn't crawl across the bank," he says. "You've got a 10-pound rifle and 60 pounds of equipment on your back."

"I'd hate to be in the first dozen or so to get across," says his son.

On the bank, the Burnsides read a Park Service sign quoting Henry Kyd Douglas, a Sharpsburg native who fought with the Confederates at Antietam: "They might have waded it that day without getting their waist belts wet in any place. Why Burnside's Bridge? Is it sarcasm?"

"Stupidity," the senior Burnside mutters in disgust. "This is what the authors like Bruce Catton and all them bastards that wrote books about Burnside -- this is what they write."



A few yards away is a monument to the 51st New York Infantry, the regiment that seized the bridge. In steel letters, its plaque proclaims that the men took the bridge "at the point of a bayonet."

"They didn't use any bayonets here!" Burnside scoffs. "This is the kind of crap that I just blow my stack about! I'm gonna come here with my spray can and say, Burnside says bull!' "

As they walk back across the bridge, though, his spirits improve. "I love it!" he says. "I love walking where he walked!"

He stops, puffs on his cigar, thinks. "Actually, he rode," he says. "His horse's name was Major."

"The next day Lee -- his men down to their last two or three rounds of ammunition -- will stand on this ridge and dare McClellan to attack him again!" says Jerry Holsworth. "George B. McClellan, true to his personality, will not attack. That evening, Lee will take his army back to Virginia, thus ending the battle and the campaign."

And so the bloodiest one-day battle in American history ended in anticlimax. With 30,000 fresh troops that he'd held in reserve, McClellan could almost certainly have crushed Lee's battered army if he'd launched an attack on September 18. But he was, as historian Stephen W. Sears wrote, "so fearful of losing that he would not risk winning." So Lee was permitted to retreat, rebuild his army and fight on for another 2 1/2 horrific years.
Next Friday we will revisit "The Lost Orders of Antietam".


Today's Educational Sources and suggestions for further reading:

The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Battle of Antietam(Sharpsburg) (9/17/1862) - Sep. 17th, 2003

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www.wsu.edu/~jlance
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www.worldburnsclub.com
www.ferenzi.com
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www.johnpaulstrain.com
www.pf-militarygallery.com
www.dixieprints.com
www.southernartcreations.com
www.gallon.com/gallery
www.alincolnbookshop.com
www.civil-war-life-clara-barton.com
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1 posted on 09/17/2004 10:29:32 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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Still, the Union army had repulsed the Confederate invasion and driven the Rebels off Northern soil. That was certainly a victory, and Abraham Lincoln, a man with a deep mystical side, had already privately concluded that "if God gave us victory" it would be an indication that "God had decided this question in favor of the slaves." Somewhat less mystically, Lincoln had already concluded that a crusade against slavery would infuse the Union cause with a new moral fervor -- and keep England and France from intervening in support of the Confederacy. On September 22, five days after the battle, he issued a proclamation decreeing that on January 1, 1863, all slaves held in rebellious territories "shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free."

"As a result of this battle -- as a direct result of this battle -- Abraham Lincoln will issue the Emancipation Proclamation that will begin the process that will eventually put an end to slavery in the United States of America," Holsworth says. He has come to the conclusion of his speech. "Today, it doesn't really matter where you're from, folks, or who your ancestors fought for. I'd like to encourage all of you to visit our national cemetery. There, you'll find the final remains of 4,776 Americans who, here on Sharpsburg Ridge on September 17, 1862, gave up all of their tomorrows so that this nation might have a new birth of freedom. Thank you."

His audience applauds. Somebody says, "That was wonderful!" Holsworth takes off his Smokey Bear hat and mops the sweat off his balding pate. Half a dozen people rush up to congratulate him. A couple from Oregon tell him that they've traveled cross-country, stopping in national parks all the way, and his speech was the best they've heard yet. Somebody else tells him he speaks with the cadence and the spirit of an inspired evangelist.

"I grew up in a Baptist church in Dallas, Texas," he says, smiling. "And we are evangelists here. Our religion is this battlefield. We love it more than words can describe."

He pulls out a pack of cigarettes. "Mind if I support the North Carolina economy?"

Nobody minds, so he lights one up, takes a long drag, and starts talking about how he came to work here. He'd spent 13 years teaching history in Dallas, but he got sick of middle school kids and decided to try something new. A Civil War buff since he was 7 years old, he'd been spending a couple of thousand dollars every summer visiting battlefields, so he decided to move to Virginia, where he'd be closer to them. "I was going to spend the rest of my life studying the Civil War," he says.

And he has. First, he started volunteering at Antietam; then, a couple years ago, he got a job as a seasonal ranger. Now, he works summers at Antietam and spends his winters writing freelance newspaper and magazine articles, many of them about the Civil War. These days, he's toying with the idea of writing a novel that would popularize the battle of Antietam the way Michael Shaara's bestselling novel The Killer Angels popularized the Battle of Gettysburg. "We've got so many human interest stories here," he says.


President Lincoln with Allan Pinkerton and Major General McClernand at Antietam after the battle


All these activities have the same goal: remembrance. "How do we thank those people who we'll never meet, who did these things 130 years ago?" he asks. "The answer is: We can come here and remember. We make them immortal when we remember."

They climb out of the blue-and-tan pickup truck, leaving the motor running, as if they're only going to take a quick look at the Cornfield and then move along. But they end up lingering for a while.

They look down at a sign titled "Every Stalk of Corn." It's illustrated with a Gardner photograph of dead soldiers lying next to a split-rail fence, and it quotes Union Gen. Joe Hooker's description of the Cornfield after the battle: "In the time I am writing, every stalk of corn in the northern and greater part of the field was cut as closely as could have been done with a knife, and the slain lay in rows precisely as they had stood in their ranks a few moments before. It was never my fortune to witness a more bloody, dismal battlefield."

They read the sign, then stand for a long moment, silently staring out at the field where the tall grass trembles in the gentle breeze.

"I try to envision what they had to go through, what they did and how they did it," says Kevin Master, a 22-year-old college student from Palm, Pa. "I don't think the people of this country will do the things they did anymore. Attitudes change. Government changes. I don't know if people will fight."

"I don't know if people have that respect for the government anymore," says his fiancee, Barbara Decker.

"They're too much involved in material things," Master says, "and not what this country really stands for -- the democratic ideals."

They look at the Cornfield for another few moments, then climb back into the pickup and drive off, headed for Bloody Lane and the Burnside Bridge.



The Cornfield is quiet for a while, and then another car pulls up and two brothers step out. Their great-grandfather fought in a West Virginia regiment that stormed the Sunken Road, and they've come to see the battlefield. They, too, read the sign, and they, too, begin to stare silently out at the field of grass.

"It's just incredible to me the way these people fought," says John Pratt, 40, a corporate investigator from Mount Gilead, Ohio. "I think I wouldn't have done it. I wish I could, but I tend to think I would have looked for a wall somewhere to hide behind."

"I don't believe in war," says his brother Ray, 51, a steelworker from Weirton, W.Va. "I believe it's a waste. But I admire their courage. I don't think the generation we have now would fight that way."

"They kill each other in the street," says John. "They just won't fight for a cause."

"What a waste," Ray says, looking out at the field where 10,000 men once fell. "When you think of the widows and the orphans -- what a waste."

In time, they, too, move on, and the Cornfield is quiet again. Across the rolling country road stands a beige farmhouse with a white satellite dish in the yard and red, green and purple clothes hanging out to dry. Little white butterflies dart playfully past metal plaques erected by the War Department a hundred years ago. Designed to teach military tactics to young soldiers, they are simple, matter-of-fact statements of where a regiment was and what it did. Here at the Cornfield, however, the various plaques end with chilling statistics: "Of the 550 engaged, 323 were killed or wounded," or "226 officers and men, of whom 186 were killed or wounded."

Now, a woman, two boys and a dog walk along the edge of the Cornfield and sit down on the base of a monument to the troops from New Jersey. It's a 20-foot-tall pedestal crowned with a statue of a soldier raising a sword over his head. The two boys -- Kevin Kunkel, 9, and his brother Scott, 10 -- are filling out the Junior Ranger activity booklet they got at the visitors center. Their mother, Debbie Kunkel, 40, is gazing out at the Cornfield.


General James Longstreet holding the horses for his staff while they worked Miller’s Battery of the Washington Artillery, September 17, 1862, Sharpsburg, MD


"I get goose bumps sitting here," she says. "I wonder, when it comes down to it, how many of us could pick up a gun and charge into the lines?"

She and her sons have come from Pennsylvania to camp nearby. They're here because she wants them to to learn about their country's history. "I don't think most Americans really understand the significance of this," she says. "I worry about the generation coming up. We have a really hard problem talking about slavery issues and black-white issues, and they need to be talked about."

She is a slender woman with curly hair. As she talks, she is petting the family sheep dog and looking out at the Cornfield, imagining the battle that was fought there and the soldiers who fought it. "I'm a psychologist," she says, "and I get into wondering what they were feeling. What gave them the courage?"

She thinks a moment, then tries to answer her own question. "You're in a situation where you've got two possibilities -- you win or you die. It's the fight-or-flight thing. I kill this individual or he kills me. There were also those who ran in fear -- more of them than we realize. Men would literally pick each other up and say, Let's go! Let's go!' I think in those days to be a coward was such a disgrace" -- she mimes the act of shooting herself -- "that you may as well do it yourself. I don't think we have as much of that now as we did then -- fighting was a way of life."

Her son Scott has finished his activity book, and she turns to him. "You're a 10-year-old," she says. "Could you pick up a drum and march to war?"

"I wouldn't want to," he says.

"Could you have done it?"

"I don't know."

They move on, heading off to see the rest of the battlefield. Other tourists come and go. Then the sun begins to set and the people stop coming.

To the west, the horizon is splashed with pink. To the south, a half moon hangs in a sky turning a darker shade of blue. There is no breeze at all, and the grass in the Cornfield is perfectly still. There is the sound of crickets and a motor running at a nearby farmhouse. The sky darkens. The motor stops. Far away, a train blows its whistle, then blows it again, then again. The whistle fades as the train moves on. Now the only sound is the chirp of a million crickets. A faint breeze rises. The grass quivers, then sways gently.

It's night now, and the Cornfield -- the bloodiest part of the bloodiest day in American history -- is as peaceful as any place on Earth.


2 posted on 09/17/2004 10:30:59 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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The Impact of Antietam


The Union army finally was able to win a major battle, and especially a battle waged in their own territory. Although, the Confederates were not destroyed and would be allowed to fight yet another day.

So far the Civil War tormented Lincoln as he may have paced in the Oval Office. The main problem at this point was that the Union Soldiers had nothing to fight for in their minds, note they weren't thinking like Lincoln. The Confederates had everything to fight for. They were being attacked near their homes and were fighting for the South. Many of the Union soldiers believed the South had the right to secede and didn't fill it necessary to restore the Union with force. At this point the war was waged as a major disagreement over State's Rights with slavery spurring on this issue, but Slavery was not the main issue.

Slavery in Europe was outlawed and thought to be an atrocity, and in many parts of the north was also thought of as an atrocity but not by all in the North. Lincoln was faced with a difficult decision and one which would inevitably restore the Union, he announced the Emancipation Proclamation to free the slaves. Well it was a bit more complex than this. But what it did is really make the war over Slavery and give the Northerners something to fight for, a cause if you will, and this strategy worked brilliantly. It kept Europe from supporting the South and this isolated the Confederacy. The greater impact of the Emancipation Proclamation was that it also was a major step in eliminating the practice of Slavery in the United States, and eliminating this evil eventually restored the Union.

James Ross Lance


3 posted on 09/17/2004 10:32:21 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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4 posted on 09/17/2004 10:37:46 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

When do you sleep?


5 posted on 09/17/2004 10:44:34 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: snippy_about_it

Good morning, Snippy and everyone at the Foxhole.


6 posted on 09/18/2004 3:03:56 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: snippy_about_it

The Sunken Road was later renamed "Bloody Lane" by the Veterans of Antietam. James Hope of the 2nd Vermont made sketches during the battle and later made them into a large oil paintings. Over 5,600 dead, Union and Confederate filled the road by 1 pm of that fateful day.

7 posted on 09/18/2004 3:24:03 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: E.G.C.

Morning E.G.C.

Man! We had some nasty weather last night. Found out this morning a tornado touched down a few miles away in Manassas Park. That explains all the sirens yesterday.


8 posted on 09/18/2004 3:25:25 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: SAMWolf

WOW!!!!!! Unbelievable. We've had hot weather for the last few days and it doesn't seem to be lettting up anytime. We almost hit 100 yesterday. And it's September!!!!!!!


9 posted on 09/18/2004 3:33:06 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.

The effects of Ivan have hit this area pretty hard. Just saw the latest long range forcastand they've changed it to partly sunny for the rest of the week starting Sunday. If we can get through today looks like we'll have good weather for the rest of the trip.


10 posted on 09/18/2004 3:45:30 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: skeeter

Morning Skeeter.

Snippy sleeps?


11 posted on 09/18/2004 3:48:12 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it
Well, that's a good deal. Hopefully, Jeanne and Karl will stay out in the Atlantic and not bother anybody. The latest forecast have both of them staying out there for the near future.

How's it going, Snippy?

12 posted on 09/18/2004 4:02:19 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: skeeter
When do you sleep?

LOL. In the wee hours of the morning and not long enough!

13 posted on 09/18/2004 4:25:53 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: E.G.C.

Good morning EGC. Looks like it will clear up today. The remnants of Ivan came through here last night and are moving through DC this morning and out to the coast. It is a lot cooler this morning since the storm went through.


14 posted on 09/18/2004 4:28:37 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: SAMWolf
Great painting. True to form except there is more vegetation on the high ground now all these years later.
15 posted on 09/18/2004 4:31:18 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Many of the Union soldiers believed the South had the right to secede and didn't fill it necessary to restore the Union with force.
--the spelling police

16 posted on 09/18/2004 4:45:55 AM PDT by snopercod (I'm on the "democrat diet". I only eat when the democrats say something good about America.)
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To: snopercod

Morning Snopercod. Thanks for keeping us on our toes. ;-)


17 posted on 09/18/2004 4:49:56 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: SAMWolf

I'm pretty sure my ancestors fought in that battle. Seventh (Seventeenth?) Virginia Cavalry. All the records are in the basement, and I will try and dig them out over the next few days.


18 posted on 09/18/2004 4:50:10 AM PDT by snopercod (I'm on the "democrat diet". I only eat when the democrats say something good about America.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Present!


19 posted on 09/18/2004 5:50:11 AM PDT by manna
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; All

September 18, 2004

Feeding The Wolf

Read: Romans 6:15-23

Make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts. —Romans 13:14

Bible In One Year: Proverbs 30-31; 2 Corinthians 11:1-15


There's a story about an old Cherokee chief sitting before a flickering fire with his grandson. The boy had broken a tribal taboo, and his grandpa wanted to help him understand what made him do it. "It's like we have two wolves inside us," said the chief. "One is good, the other is bad. Both demand our obedience."

"Which one wins?" asked the boy.

"The one we feed!" said the wise old chief.

Every follower of Jesus Christ can identify with that struggle. We fight an ongoing battle with selfish and sinful desires. They rise up within us and put incredible pressure on us to satisfy them. They are like ravenous hungers and unquenchable thirsts. First they are small "harmless" desires, but they grow stronger and can ultimately control us (Romans 6:16).

To resist we must believe what the Bible tells us about temptation's power. We must also believe that the Holy Spirit will help us to resist or to break free from its power.

But then comes the hard part. When an evil desire demands to be fed, we must say no—perhaps again and again and again. Paul said, "Make no provision for the flesh" (13:14).

Remember, what we feed will control us. —Dave Egner

Lord, grant me strength from day to day—
How prone I am to go astray!
The passions of my flesh are strong;
O God, please shield me from all wrong. —D. De Haan

It is easier to resist the first evil desire than to satisfy all the ones that follow.

20 posted on 09/18/2004 6:10:50 AM PDT by The Mayor (It is easier to resist the first evil desire than to satisfy all the ones that follow.)
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To: snippy_about_it

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on September 18:
1709 Dr Samuel Johnson writer (Boswell's tour guide)
1733 George Read lawyer/signed Declaration of Independence
1752 Adrien-Marie Legendre mathematician, worked on elliptic integrals
1779 Joseph Story Mass, US Supreme Court justice (1812-45)
1805 Robert Cowdin Brig General (Union volunteers), died in 1874
1815 Henry Constantine Wayne Brig General (Confederate Army)
1818 Marcellus Augustus Stovall Brig General (Confederate Army)
1870 Clark Wissler anthropologist (American Indian)
1893 Arthur Benjamin Sydney Australia, composer (Jamaican Rumba)
1895 John G Diefenbaker Neustadt Ontario, 13th Canadian PM (C) (1957-63)
1905 Agnes De Mille NYC, choreographer (Oklahoma)
1905 Claudette Colbert Paris, actress (Lily Chauchoin, Arise My Love)
1905 Eddie "Rochester" Anderson Oakland Calif, actor (Jack Benny Show)
1905 Greta Garbo Stockholm (Ninotchka, Grand Hotel, Camille)
1920 Jack Warden Newark NJ, actor (NYPD, Crazy Like a Fox, Norby)
1928 Phyllis Kirk Syracuse NY, actress (Thin Man, Red Button's Show)
1932 Jack Mullaney Pitts Pa, actor (My Living Doll, It's About Time)
1932 Nikolai N Rukavishnikov cosmonaut (Soyuz 10, 16, 33)
1933 Jimmie Rodgers Wash, country singer (Honeycomb)
1933 Robert Blake Nutley NJ, (Baretta, Little Rascals, Coast to Coast)
1933 Roman Polanski Paris France, director (Rosemary's Baby, Chinatown)
1939 Fred Willard Ohio, comedian (Fernwood 2 Night, Real People)
1940 Frankie Avalon Phila, actor (Beach movies)/singer (Venus)
1944 Charles Lacy Veach Chicago Illinois, astronaut (STS 39)
1964 Holly Robinson Phila, actress (21 Jump Street)
1966 Spike vocal/guitar (Ian Spice Breathe, Flash Cadillac-R&R Forever)
1970 Michela Rocco Udine Italy, Miss Italy (1987)



Deaths which occurred on September 18:
0031 Sejanus, Roman head of praetorian guard, executed
0096 Domitian, Roman emperor, dies
1137 Erik II Eimune, king of Denmark (1134-37), murdered
1180 Louis VII King of France, dies
1426 Hubert [Huybrecht] van Eyck, painter, dies
1792 Gottlieb August Spangenberg founder (Moravian Church in Amer), dies
1797 Louis-Lazare Hoche French revolutionary general, dies
1905 George MacDonald, Fantasy author (Princess & Curdie), dies at 80
1944 Paul Grubner German SS-captain, dies in battle in Arnhem
1944 Peter Waddy British major 1st Para Brigade, dies in battle in Arnhem
1959 Serial killer Harvey Glatman is executed in a California gas chamber
1961 Dag Hammarskjold UN Sect General, dies in an air crash over the Congo
1964 Sean O'Casey, Irish playwright (Playboy of Western World), dies at 84
1970 Jimi Hendrix rock guitarist, dies at 27 in London
1979 Gene Kelly sportscaster (Sportsreel), dies at 60
1996 Spiro Theodore Agnew, US VP (1969-73), dies at 77


Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1965 BARBER ROBERT FRANKLIN SEATTLE WA.
[CRASH EXPLODE AT SEA NO SURV]
1965 VOGT LEONARD F. JR. CINCINNATI OH.
[CRASH EXPLODE AT SEA NO SURV]
1968 WOODS BRIAN D. SAN DIEGO CA.
[02/12/73 RELEASED BY DRV,ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1969 CLINE CURTIS R. BURLINGTON MI.
1970 KEESEE BOBBY JOE
[03/14/73 RELEASED BY DRV]

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.


On this day...
1437 Farmer uprising in Transsylvania
1679 New Hampshire becomes a county Massachusetts Bay Colony
1739 Treaty of Belgrade-Austria cedes Belgrade to Turks
1755 Fort Ticonderoga, NY opens
1758 James Abercromby is replaced as supreme commander of British forces after his defeat by French commander the Marquis of Montcalm at Fort Ticonderoga during the French and Indian War
1769 Boston Gazette reports 1st US piano (a spinet)
1793 Washington lays cornerstone of Capitol building
1810 Chile declares independence from Spain (National Day)
1812 Fire in Moscow destroys 90% of houses & 1,000 churchs
1830 A horse beats the 1st US made locomotive (near Baltimore)
1838 Anti-Corn Law League established by Richard Cobden
1850 Congress passes the second Fugitive Slave Bill into law (the first was enacted in 1793), requiring the return of escaped slaves to their owners.
1851 NY Times starts publishing, at 2 cents a copy
1874 The Nebraska Relief and Aid Society is formed to help farmers whose crops were destroyed by grasshoppers swarming throughout the American West
1888 Start of the Sherlock Holmes adventure "The Sign of Four"
1891 Harriet Maxwell Converse is became the first white woman to be made a Native-American chief.
1895 Booker T Washington delivers "Atlanta Compromise" address
1895 D.D. Palmer of Davenport, Iowa, becomes 1st chiropractor
1908 Cleve Indian Bob "Dusty" Rhoades no-hits Boston, 2-1
1911 Britain's 1st twin-engine airplane (Short S.39) test flown
1914 The Irish Home Rule Bill becomes law, but is delayed until after World War I
1914 Battle of Aisne ends with Germans beating French during WW I
1915 Boston Braves trounce St Louis Cardinals 20-1
1919 Hurricane tides 16 feet above normal drown 280 along Gulf Coast
1926 Hurricane hits Miami, kills 250
1927 Columbia Broadcasting System goes on the air (16 radio stations)
1928 Cards beat Phillies for 20th of 22 games in 1928
1930 Enterprise (US) beats Shamrock V (England) in 15th America's Cup
1934 St Louis Brown Bobo Newsom loses no-hitter to Boston in 10, 2-1
1938 Chicago Bears beat Green Bay Packers 2-0
1938 Despite losing a double header, Yanks clinch pennant #10
1942 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation authorized for radio service
1944 British submarine Tradewind torpedoes Junyo Maru: 5,600 killed
1945 1000 whites walk out of Gary Ind schools to protest integration
1947 USAF (US Air Force) forms
1947 The National Security Act, which unified the Army, Navy and newly formed Air Force into a National Military Establishment, went into effect.
1948 Ralph J Bunche confirmed as acting UN mediator in Palestine
1948 Margaret Chase Smith becomes the first woman elected to the Senate without completing another senator's term when she defeats Democratic opponent Adrian Scolten. Smith is also the only woman to be elected to and serve in both houses of Congress.
1949 Baseball major league record 4 grand slams hit
1954 Cleveland Indians clinch AL pennant, beat Tigers (3-2)
1957 "Wagon Train" premiers
1959 Vanguard 3 launched into Earth orbit
1959 Serial killer Harvey Glatman is executed in a California gas chamber for murdering three young women in Los Angeles.
1960 Two thousand cheer Castro's arrival in New York for the United Nations session.
1962 Rwanda, Burundi, Jamaica & Trinidad admitted (105th-108th) to the UN
1963 Final game at Polo Grounds, 1,752 see Phillies beat Mets 5-1
1965 "Get Smart" premiers
1967 Intrepid (US) beats Dame Pattie (Aust) in 21st America's Cup
1969 Tiny Tim & Miss Vicky get engaged
1972 1st black NL umpire (Art Williams-Los Angeles vs San Diego)
1974 Hurricane Fifi strikes Honduras with 110 mph winds, 5,000 die
1975 Heiress/bank robber Patricia Campbell Hearst captured by FBI in SF
1977 Courageous (US) sweeps Australia (Aust) in 24th America's Cup
1977 US Voyager I takes 1st space photograph of Earth & Moon together
1979 Bolshoi Ballet dancers Leonid & Valentina Kozlov defect
1979 Steven Lachs, appointed Calif's 1st admittedly gay judge
1980 Soyuz 38 carries 2 cosmonauts (1 Cuban) to Salyut 6 space station
1982 Christian militia begin massacre of 600 Palestinians in Lebanon
1983 George Meegen completes 2,426d (19K mile) walk across Western Hemisphere
1983 New Orleans Saints 1st OT victory; beating Chic Bears 34-31
1987 Detroit Tiger Darrell Evans is 1st 40 year old to hit 30 HRs
1989 Hurricane Hugo causes extensive damage in Puerto Rico
1990 A 500 lb 6' Hershey Kiss is displayed at 1 Times Square, NYC
1990 Atlanta is chosen to host the 1996 (centennial) Summer Olympics
1991 Saying he was "pretty fed up," President Bush said he would send warplanes to escort U.N. helicopters searching for hidden Iraqi weapons if Iraqi President Saddam Hussein continued to impede weapons inspectors.
1991 Space shuttle STS 48 (Discovery 14) lands
1994 Ken Burn's "Baseball" premieres on PBS
1996 The O.J. Simpson civil trial opened in Santa Monica, Calif.
2001 Palestinian leader Yassar Arafat and Prime Minister
Arial Sharon of Israel both ordered a halt of offensive actions and Israeli troops and tanks began pulling out of the areas around Jericho and Jenin.


Holidays
Note: Some Holidays are only applicable on a given "day of the week"

Chile : Independence Day (1818)
US : Constitution Week
National Coasts Week (Day 5)
National Cholestrol Education and Awareness Month


Religious Observances
Unification Church : Foundation Day
RC : Commemoration of St Joseph of Cupertino, confessor, patron saint of aviators.
Ang : Feast of Edward Bouverie Pusey, priest
Luth : Commemoration of Dag Hammarskj”ld, peacemaker


Religious History
0052 Birth of Marcus Ulpius Trajan, Emperor of Rome from AD 98-117. He was the third Roman emperor to rule, after Nero (54-68) and Domitian (81-96), who persecuted the Early Church. During Trajan's reign, the apostolic father Ignatius of Antioch was martyred, in AD 117.
1765 Birth of Oliver Holden, early Puritan pastor and statesman. His love for music is demonstrated in the hymn tune CORONATION ("All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name"), which he composed in 1792 at the age of 27.
1924 A complete Bible translation of the Old and New Testaments was published by American Bible scholar and historian James Moffatt, 54. Moffatt's intention was to make available to the lay reader, in simple language, a current scholarly understanding of the biblical text.
1930 Death of New England music evangelist Carrie E. Rounsefell, 69. It was Rounsefell who composed the hymn tune MANCHESTER, to which we sing today, "I'll Go Where You Want Me to Go."
1962 The Full Gospel Fellowship of Churches and Ministers International was founded in Dallas by Gordon Lindsay, 56. In 1967, the name was changed to Christ for the Nations. It ministers today as a service agency supporting foreign missions through fund raising and literature distribution.

Source: William D. Blake. ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1987.


Thought for the day :
"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail."


Things You Wouldn't Hear a Southerner Say...
No kids in the back of the pick-up, it's not safe.


How Many Dogs Does it Take to Change Light Bulb?
English Sheep Dog: Light bulb? I'm sorry, but I don't see a light bulb!


The Ultimate Scientific Dictionary...
Bacon, Roger:
An English friar who dabbled in science and made experimentation fashionable. Bacon was the first science popularizer to make it big on the banquet and talk-show circuit, and his books even outsold the fad diets of the period.


What's Your Business Astrological Sign?...
CONSULTANT
Lacking any specific knowledge, you use acronyms to avoid revealing your utter lack of experience. You have convinced yourself that your "skills" are in demand and that you could get a higher paying job with any other organisation in a heartbeat. You will spend an eternity contemplating these career opportunities without ever taking direct action


21 posted on 09/18/2004 6:11:31 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: snopercod

There was a 17th Virginia Cavalry at Antietam. Let us know what you find.


22 posted on 09/18/2004 6:15:15 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: manna
Hi Manna!


23 posted on 09/18/2004 6:16:33 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: The Mayor

Morning Mayor. I've heard the Cherokee wolf story before. Liked it since i first heard it.


24 posted on 09/18/2004 6:17:40 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: Valin
1965 "Get Smart" premiers


25 posted on 09/18/2004 6:20:00 AM PDT by SAMWolf (A rock ----> me <---- A hard place .)
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To: SAMWolf

Hi Sam

I agree, it's good.


26 posted on 09/18/2004 6:26:41 AM PDT by The Mayor (It is easier to resist the first evil desire than to satisfy all the ones that follow.)
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To: snopercod

LOL. I'm innocent officer. Sometimes it's tempting to change what a writer has written but then we'd be just like SeeBS. :-)


27 posted on 09/18/2004 6:26:47 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: manna

:-)


28 posted on 09/18/2004 6:27:41 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: The Mayor

Thank you and Good morning Mayor.


29 posted on 09/18/2004 6:28:47 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; Professional Engineer; Samwise; Darksheare; PhilDragoo; radu; All

Good morning everyone!

30 posted on 09/18/2004 6:29:20 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: snippy_about_it

mornin snippy


31 posted on 09/18/2004 6:34:45 AM PDT by The Mayor (It is easier to resist the first evil desire than to satisfy all the ones that follow.)
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To: The Mayor
Please be patient God is not finished with me yet

Understatement of the day!! :-)

32 posted on 09/18/2004 6:47:37 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: snippy_about_it
GM, snippy!

duckie is back from her "cruise to Ivan & Jeanne"!!! she & "judyjudyjudy" had FUN.

free dixie,sw

33 posted on 09/18/2004 8:21:47 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: bentfeather

Good morning feather.


34 posted on 09/18/2004 8:42:24 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: stand watie

I want a total. Just how many new pairs of shoes did she come home with? :-)


35 posted on 09/18/2004 8:43:33 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: stand watie

Oh duckie is home??!!! Well, hot damn!!! Did she have a great time??


36 posted on 09/18/2004 9:15:50 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: snippy_about_it

GM, snippy!!!!


37 posted on 09/18/2004 9:16:23 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: snippy_about_it; Samwise; bentfeather
Good morning ladies. Flag-o-gram.


38 posted on 09/18/2004 9:33:02 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Grand Poobah~Benevolent & Protective Order of Irascible Fellows. That's right, I'm a Curmudgeon.)
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To: Professional Engineer

GM, PE!!

How be ya today???


39 posted on 09/18/2004 9:34:45 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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To: snippy_about_it

Amazing.


40 posted on 09/18/2004 10:02:52 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Grand Poobah~Benevolent & Protective Order of Irascible Fellows. That's right, I'm a Curmudgeon.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Hey all you 'FReeper Foxholers'! Stand Watie told me last Sunday at the 'Kerry Lied' rally that many of y'all may be interested in these.

Swiftee stickers. It gets the word out to the driving public and displays your public support for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth! It even displays their website address!

Swiftee sticker thread! Freep mail for details on how to get yours!

41 posted on 09/18/2004 10:12:02 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: snippy_about_it; All
i'm not sure. as of Saturday last week the total was EIGHT (8)pairs. so far she hasn't updated the list.

lolrotf.

she told me a minute ago that she was "really good, in that she did NOT buy MUCH 14K jewelry this time, though it was really hard NOT to buy a ring with a 1 caret center stone & numerous emerald cut stones surrounding it!!!!!" (emphasis: HERS!)

< the ring as ONLY about 2.75 carets of diamonds!!!!!!

btw, she said the food was "awful" THROUGHOUT THE CRUISE, Nassau WAS "HORRIBLE, HOT,DAMP & i'll never go back there". Cozumel otoh was "NICE"! she was especially impressed with the Mayan ruins, near Cozumel.

duckie said, "you would NOT have had a good time. i'm glad you didn't go."

based on what she said, i wouldn't have eaten & would have LOST weight.

i asked her if she would go again & she said, "NOT on Carnival!!!!"

free dixie,sw

42 posted on 09/18/2004 10:42:29 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: bentfeather

see #42!>P>free dixie,hugs, duckie/sw


43 posted on 09/18/2004 10:43:57 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Morning Glory Snip & Sam~

I'm taking a breather between golf and yard work this AM and thought I'd drop in. As much as I'd like to comment more about the horrific battles that took place at Antietam, I was very moved by the section on Dennis Frye and the Civil War Society based in Berryville, VA. My family is planning a trip next Spring to Richmond, VA. My hope is to visit Gettysburg, Fredericksburg, Manassas and Sharpsburg. I was going to wait until then and get as many FReepers advise as to the best tour groups, et al. (with SamWolf at the top of the list). But if Mr. Frye is still alive, he sounds like an awesome source to contact and make reservations.

Anyway, I've really enjoyed the two posts thus far on Antietam . . . they've added much to my existing books on the CW. Look forward to next Friday’s third installment.

BTW, I'm traveling to Miami, FL tomorrow for a national conference on Db security for patient medical records (they're really lining up for this one . . . yawn.). I'll be back Thursday night and jump into the Foxhole Friday evening. Looks like Jeanne is heading northward and staying in the Atlantic so my trip is a "go". I'll check back on this thread later today but otherwise keep your powder dry and I'll talk to ya on Friday.

44 posted on 09/18/2004 10:50:56 AM PDT by w_over_w (You're not completely dressed unless your clothes have cat fur on them.)
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To: Chieftain
BUMP!

for a FREE DIXIE,sw

45 posted on 09/18/2004 11:01:24 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: Chieftain
BUMP!

for a FREE DIXIE,sw

46 posted on 09/18/2004 11:01:25 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: Chieftain
BUMP!

for a FREE DIXIE,sw

47 posted on 09/18/2004 11:01:25 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: Chieftain
BUMP!

for a FREE DIXIE,sw

48 posted on 09/18/2004 11:01:26 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: Chieftain
BUMP!

for a FREE DIXIE,sw

49 posted on 09/18/2004 11:01:26 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: stand watie

bump!!

free dixie, bf



thanks for the duckie gram!!


50 posted on 09/18/2004 12:56:47 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte. ~)
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