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The FReeper Foxhole Profiles General George C. Marshall - May 10th, 2003 ^

Posted on 05/10/2003 12:00:06 AM PDT by SAMWolf

Dear Lord,

There's a young man far from home,
called to serve his nation in time of war;
sent to defend our freedom
on some distant foreign shore.

We pray You keep him safe,
we pray You keep him strong,
we pray You send him safely home ...
for he's been away so long.

There's a young woman far from home,
serving her nation with pride.
Her step is strong, her step is sure,
there is courage in every stride.
We pray You keep her safe,
we pray You keep her strong,
we pray You send her safely home ...
for she's been away too long.

Bless those who await their safe return.
Bless those who mourn the lost.
Bless those who serve this country well,
no matter what the cost.

Author Unknown


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General George Catlett Marshall
(1880 - 1959)


This American soldier-statesman was born on December 31, 1880, into a family of Virginia and Kentucky lineage in Uniontown, Pennsylvania, where his father manufactured coking coal for the iron and steel industry. The Uniontown Marshalls were distantly related to John Marshall, former chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. He had an older brother, Stuart (1875-1956), and a sister, Marie (1876-1962).

Young Marshall was not a particularly good student in school, but he was particularly interested in history, and he developed the ability to interpret American society and specific problems he faced in a broad historical context. In later years, when asked to which political party he belonged, Marshall generally responded: My mother was a Republican; my father was a Democrat; and I'm an Episcopalian.

Marshall attended the Virginia Military Institute, graduating in 1901 as the highest-ranking cadet. He entered the U.S. Army in February 1902. For the next fifteen years, he served in various of the posts in the U.S. and the Philippines. Between 1906 and 1910, he attended army schools at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, and also taught there. He was a member of the small group of U.S. Army officers trained in modern warfare prior to World War I.

He went to France in the summer of 1917 as the director of training and planning for the First Infantry Division. In mid-1918, he was promoted to American Expeditionary Forces headquarters, where he was a key planner of American operations. In 1919 he became an aide-de-camp to General John J. Pershing. Between 1920 and 1924, while Pershing was army chief of staff, Marshall was an important planner and writer in the War Department in Washington, D.C.

Dwight Eisenhower, George Marshall, James Byrnes

Following a tour of duty (1924-27) with the Fifteenth Infantry in Tientsin, China, Marshall was assigned to teach at the Army War College, but when his wife died, he was moved to the Infantry School at Fort Benning, Georgia, to become head of instruction. There he reformed army infantry officer training to prepare for a war of mechanization, air power, and rapid movement. He briefly (1932-33)commanded posts at Fort Screven, Georgia, and Fort Moultrie, South Carolina, where one of his key duties was creating and running Civilian Conservation Corps camps. Between 1933 and 1936, he was in Chicago as senior instructor to the Illinois National Guard. He was promoted to brigadier general in October 1936 and given command of Vancouver Barracks, Washington, and its CCC district (1936-38).

Marshall returned to Washington to become head of the War Department's War Plans Division and then deputy chief of staff (1938-39), prior to being selected by Franklin D. Roosevelt to be army chief of staff (1939-45). Highly regarded by his peers, leaders of the Roosevelt administration, and members of Congress, Marshall was in charge of getting the U.S. Army and Army Air Corps ready for war (1939-41), reorganizing the army (1942), and leading it throughout the war. He was the most important member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and, according to Winston Churchill, the organizer of Allied victory.

GENERAL MARSHALL AND WAR DEPARTMENT CHIEFS. Left to right: Lt. Gen. H. H. Arnold, Maj. Gen. J. T. McNarney, General Marshall, Maj. Gen. B. B. .Somervell, and Lt. Gen. L. J. McNair.

Marshall "retired" in November 1945, but President Truman immediately asked him to go to China to attempt to mediate a settlement between the Nationalists and Communists. In January 1947 he was named secretary of state. In that role, his name is most commonly associated with the "Marshall Plan," for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize in December 1953. In 1949 he resigned from the State Department and was soon named president of the American National Red Cross, hardly a sinecure, given the organization's troubles at the time. In September 1951, three months after the outbreak of the Korean War, Truman asked him to become secretary of defense, a job he held for a year. Marshall died at Walter Reed Hospital on October 16, 1959, and is buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

President Truman presents General George Marshall with permanent membership in the Reserve Officers Association, October 16, 1945.

One of the most magnificent stories about General Marshall is regarding D-Day. General Marshall was so very significant in every aspect of building up the military, and fighting the war in both theaters. He was also a major contributor in the conception and execution of the D-day plan, but was destined to be forgotten by history. President Roosevelt was conscious of this fact, and concerned Marshall's excellence would not be remembered, much as Lincoln's Chief of Staff during the Civil War. The President offered General Marshall, General Eisenhower's job as Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe, which in turn would allow him to lead the Normandy invasion. General Marshall turned down this offer because he felt he was needed in Washington, and a change of command at the last moment simply for his reputation and ego was not appropriate.

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General George C. Marshall was the U.S. Army Chief of Staff during WWII, the highest ranking U.S. Army officer. He had known of the atomic bomb project at least as far back as Oct. 1941, when he was appointed to the small group which would oversee the project, the Top Policy Group.

In 1942 the a-bomb project was turned over to the Army and became the Manhattan Project. It now fell under Marshall's chain of command as Army Chief of Staff. But his role in the atomic bomb project and the atomic bombing of Japan was largely indirect. He delegated most of the work to the general in charge of the Manhattan Project, Leslie Groves, and he deferred to civilians on decision-making.

For his part Marshall, along with Sec. of War Henry Stimson, obtained the enormous amounts of money necessary for the secret project. This was no easy task, since Congress could be told little about where the money was going.

Marshall's main task in 1945 was to prepare for a possible invasion of mainland Japan, scheduled to begin that year on Nov. 1st. He felt the decision to use the atomic bomb - to introduce a new and more dangerous level of warfare to the world - was a political rather than military decision. Assistant Sec. of War John McCloy recalled:

"[Marshall's] insistence to me that whether we should drop an atomic bomb on Japan was a matter for the President to decide, not the Chief of Staff since it was not a military question... the question of whether we should drop this new bomb on Japan, in his judgment, involved such imponderable considerations as to remove it from the field of a military decision." (quoted in Gar Alperovitz, The Decision To Use the Atomic Bomb, pg. 364).

McCloy said Marshall told him, "Don't ask me to make the decision."
(Forrest C. Pogue, George C. Marshall: Statesman 1945-1959, pg. 550, note 30).

But Marshall had been thinking about the atomic bomb. He didn't press his ideas, probably because he felt this was more of a political matter than a military matter. Here are some of Marshall's ideas, documented at the time:

The minutes from a May 29, 1945 meeting of Marshall with Sec. of War Stimson and Assistant Sec. of War McCloy note that "General Marshall said he thought these weapons [atomic bombs] might first be used against straight military objectives such as a large naval installation and then if no complete result was derived from the effect of that, he thought we ought to designate a number of large manufacturing areas from which the people would be warned to leave - telling the Japanese that we intended to destroy such centers. There would be no individual designations so that the Japs [sic] would not know exactly where we were to hit - a number should be named and the hit should follow shortly after. Every effort should be made to keep our record of warning clear. We must offset by such warning methods the opprobrium which might follow from an ill considered employment of such force." (RG 107, Formerly Top Secret Correspondence of Sec. of War Stimson ("Safe File") 7/40 - 9/45, S-1 folder, Memorandum of Conversation With General Marshall, May 29, 1945 - 11:45 a.m., National Archives).

At a May 31, 1945 Interim Committee discussion of the atomic bomb, scientist and Manhattan Project administrator Arthur Compton was present. He recalled, "General Marshall stated that from the point of view of the postwar safety of the nation he would have to argue against the use of the bomb in World War II, at least if its existence could be kept secret. Such use, he said, would show our hand. We would be in a stronger position with regard to future military action if we did not show the power we held." (Arthur Holly Compton, Atomic Quest, pg. 237). Scientists at the meeting then explained that the scientific knowledge was already too widely known to keep the a-bomb a secret. (Microfilm 1108, RG 77, Harrison-Bundy Files, file 100, Notes of the Interim Committee Meeting, Thursday, 31 May 1945, National Archives).

Later at the May 31 meeting, Marshall supported J. Robert Oppenheimer's suggestion that we tell Russia we were working on the atomic bomb. The meeting notes show that Marshall also "raised the question whether it might be desirable to invite two prominent Russian scientists to witness the test." Any approach to Russia was quickly vetoed at the meeting by soon-to-be Sec. of State James Byrnes. Byrnes feared Stalin would ask to become a partner in the a-bomb project, causing us to lose our lead over Russia in nuclear weapons. (Ibid.).
Arthur Compton later wrote, "At this meeting... Marshall was careful to avoid any statement that might prejudice the thinking of the civilian committee." (Compton, Atomic Quest, pg. 238).

Marshall went along with the Interim Committee's recommendation to use the atomic bomb on Japan.

There is no evidence from this point on that Marshall objected to the use of the atomic bomb on Japan. After WWII, Marshall was a staunch defender of the atomic bombings (Larry I. Bland, editor, George C. Marshall: Interviews and Reminiscences for Forrest C. Pogue).

But Marshall probably did not think the atomic bombs would end the war. After a talk with Marshall about the atomic bomb on June 12, 1947, Atomic Energy Commission Chairman David Lilienthal quoted Marshall in his diary as saying:

"There is one point that was missed, and that, frankly, we missed in making our plans. That was the effect the bomb would have in so shocking the Japanese that they could surrender without losing face. ...we didn't realize its value to give the Japanese such a shock that they could surrender without complete loss of face." (David E. Lilienthal, The Journals of David E. Lilienthal, Volume Two: The Atomic Energy Years, 1945-1950, pg. 198).

George Marshall was named TIME's Man of the Year in 1943 and 1947

Though the a-bomb might not end the war quickly, Marshall felt the atomic bomb could be useful in his primary area of responsibility, the proposed invasion of the Japanese mainland.

On Aug. 13, after two a-bombings had failed to bring surrender from Japan, one of Marshall's assistants, Lt. Gen. John Hull, telephoned one of Gen. Groves' assistants, Col. L.E. Seeman. Hull said Marshall felt we should consider holding off on further atomic bombings so as to save the a-bombs for tactical use as part of the November invasion. (Marc Gallicchio, After Nagasaki: General Marshall's Plan for Tactical Nuclear Weapons in Japan, Prologue, Winter 1991).

In 1957, Marshall gave some details of his invasion plans for the atomic bomb:

"There were three corps to come in there [to invade Japan], as I recall. ...there were to be three bombs for each corps that was landing. One or two, but probably one, as a preliminary, then this landing, then another one further inland against the immediate supports, and then the third against any troops that might try to come through the mountains from up on the Inland Sea. That was the rough idea in our minds." (Bland, George C. Marshall: Interviews and Reminiscences for Forrest C. Pogue, pg. 424).

It was characteristic of Marshall that while others were celebrating the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Gen. Groves recalled that "General Marshall expressed his feeling that we should guard against too much gratification over our success, because it undoubtedly involved a large number of Japanese casualties."
(Leslie Groves, Now It Can Be Told, pg. 324).

- Doug Long

1 posted on 05/10/2003 12:00:06 AM PDT by SAMWolf
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A Summary of the Marshall Plan

Even now a model for positive economic diplomacy, the Marshall Plan was a rational effort by the United States aimed at reducing the hunger, homelessness, sickness, unemployment, and political restlessness of the 270 million people in sixteen nations in West Europe. Marshall Plan funds were not mainly directed toward feeding individuals or building individual houses, schools, or factories, but at strengthening the economic superstructure (particularly the iron-steel and power industries). The program cost the American taxpayers $11,820,700,000 (plus $1,505,100,000 in loans that were repaid) over four years and worked because it was aimed at aiding a well-educated, industrialized people temporarily down but not out. The Marshall Plan significantly magnified their own efforts and reduced the suffering and time West Europe took to recover from the war. The program--whose official title was "European Recovery Program"--aimed at: (1) increasing production; (2) expanding European foreign trade; (3) facilitating European economic cooperation and integration; and (4) controlling inflation, which was the program's chief failure.

U.S. postage stamp issued in 1997 to commemorate the Marshall Plan

The idea of massive U.S. loans to individual countries had already been tried (nearly $20 billion--mainly long-term, low interest loans--since the war’s end) and had failed to make significant headway against Europe's social and economic problems. The plan that Marshall enunciated at Harvard University on June 5, 1947, was revolutionary in that it required the recipients to organize to produce a rational, multilateral approach to their common economic problems. Another innovative feature was its limited duration: four years maximum, thereby assuring American taxpayers and their representatives that the program would not be an indefinite commitment.

The economic problems in 1947-48 included not only the lack of capital to invest, but also the need for Europeans to overcome a U.S. trade surplus with them so massive as to imperil further trade and to encourage unmanageable inflation. Marshall Plan money helped stimulate the revival of European trade with the world and increased trade among European countries.

Americans were reluctant to invest in Europe because their profits were available only in local currencies that were little desired by U.S. businesses and investors. The Marshall Plan guaranteed that these investors would be able to convert their profits earned in European currencies into U.S. dollars. Grants and loans in U.S. dollars enabled managers in Europe to purchase in America specialty tools for their new industries. Marshall Plan money also paid for industrial technicians and farmers to visit U.S. industries and farms to study American techniques. Plan funds even paid the postage on privately contributed relief packages.

Many people in Washington helped to implement and manage the European Recovery Program that Marshall first outlined at Harvard; this is why, in addition to his normal modesty, Marshall refused to call the idea the "Marshall Plan." He always believed that his greatest contribution to the program was his 1947-48 nationwide campaign to convince the American people--and through them the Congress--of the its necessity; he likened his efforts in scope and intensity to a campaign for the presidency.

Over its four-year life, the Marshall Plan cost the U.S. 2.5 to 5 times the percent of national income as current foreign aid programs. One would need to multiply the program's $13.3 billion cost by 10 or perhaps even 20 times to have the same impact on the U.S. economy now as the Marshall Plan had between 1948 and 1952. (Most of the money was spend between 1948 and the beginning of the Korean War (June 25, 1950); after June 30, 1951, the remaining aid was folded into the Mutual Defense Assistance Program.)

A shipment of U.S. wheat arrives in the Netherlands.

On December 10, 1953, George C. Marshall received the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, Norway. He accepted it, not as his individual triumph, but as the representative of the American people, whose efforts and money had made the program a success.

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2 posted on 05/10/2003 12:00:53 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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Text of the Marshall Plan Speech

(State Department handout version of 4 June 1947.

The speech was not given at the formal June 5 morning commencement exercise but after lunch when the twelve honorary degree recipients made speeches to the graduates, friends, and alumni.)

I need not tell you gentlemen that the world situation is very serious. That must be apparent to all intelligent people. I think one difficulty is that the problem is one of such enormous complexity that the very mass of facts presented to the public by press and radio make it exceedingly difficult for the man in the street to reach a clear appraisement of the situation. Furthermore, the people of this country are distant from the troubled areas of the earth and it is hard for them to comprehend the plight and consequent reactions of the long-suffering peoples, and the effect of those reactions on their governments in connection with our efforts to promote peace in the world.

In considering the requirements for the rehabilitation of Europe the physical loss of life, the visible destruction of cities, factories, mines and railroads was correctly estimated, but it has become obvious during recent months that this visible destruction was probably less serious than the dislocation of the entire fabric of European economy. For the past ten years conditions have been highly abnormal. The feverish preparation for war and the more feverish maintenance of the war effort engulfed all aspects of national economies. Machinery has fallen into disrepair or is entirely obsolete. Under the arbitrary and destructive Nazi rule, virtually every possible enterprise was geared into the German war machine. Long-standing commercial ties, private institutions, banks, insurance companies and shipping companies disappeared, through loss of capital, absorption through nationalization or by simple destruction. In many countries, confidence in the local currency has been severely shaken. The breakdown of the business structure of Europe during the war was complete. Recovery has been seriously retarded by the fact that two years after the close of hostilities a peace settlement with Germany and Austria has not been agreed upon. But even given a more prompt solution of these difficult problems, the rehabilitation of the economic structure of Europe quite evidently will require a much longer time and greater effort than had been foreseen.

There is a phase of this matter which is both interesting and serious. The farmer has always produced the foodstuffs to exchange with the city dweller for the other necessities of life. This division of labor is the basis of modern civilization. At the present time it is threatened with breakdown. The town and city industries are not producing adequate goods to exchange with the food-producing farmer. Raw materials and fuel are in short supply. Machinery is lacking or word out. The farmer of the peasant cannot find the goods for sale which he desires to purchase. So the sale of his farm produce for money which he cannot use seems to him an unprofitable transaction. He, therefore, has withdrawn many fields from crop cultivation and is using them for grazing. He feeds more grain to stock and finds for himself and his family an ample supply of food, however short he may be on clothing and the other ordinary gadgets of civilization. Meanwhile people in the cities are short of food and fuel. So the governments are forced to use their foreign money and credits to procure these necessities abroad. This process exhausts funds which are urgently needed for reconstruction. This a very serious situation is rapidly developing which bodes no good for the world. The modern system of the division of labor upon which the exchange of products is based is in danger of breaking down.

The truth of the matter is that Europe’s requirements for the next three or four years of foreign food and other essential products--principally from America--are so much greater than her present ability to pay that she must have substantial additional help, or face economic, social and political deterioration of a very grave character.

The remedy lies in breaking the vicious circle and restoring the confidence of the European people in the economic future of their own countries and of Europe as a whole. The manufacturer and the farmer throughout wide areas must be able and willing to exchange their products for currencies the continuing value of which is not open to question.

Aside from the demoralizing effect on the world at large and the possibilities of disturbances arising as a result of the desperation of the people concerned, the consequences to the economy of the United States should be apparent to all. It is logical that the United States should do whatever it is able to do to assist in the return of normal economic health in the world, without which there can be no political stability and no assured peace. Our policy is directed not against any country or doctrine but against hunger, poverty, desperation and chaos. Its purpose should be the revival of a working economy in the world so as to permit the emergence of political and social conditions in which free institutions can exist. Such assistance, I am convinced, must not be on a peace-meal basis as various crises develop. Any assistance that this Government may render in the future should provide a cure rather than a mere palliative. Any government that is willing to assist in the task of recovery will find full cooperation, I am sure, on the part of the United States Government. Any government which maneuvers to block the recovery of other countries cannot expect help from us. Furthermore, governments, political parties or groups which seek to perpetuate human misery in order to profit therefrom politically or otherwise will encounter the opposition of the United States.

It is already evident that, before the United States Government can proceed much further in its efforts to alleviate the situation and help start the European world on its way to recovery, there must be some agreement among the countries of Europe as to the requirements of the situation and the part those countries themselves will take in order to give proper effect to whatever action might be undertaken by this Government. It would be neither fitting nor efficacious for this Government to undertake to draw up unilaterally a program designed to place Europe on its feet economically. This is the business of the Europeans. The initiative, I think, must come from Europe. The role of this country should consist of friendly aid in the drafting of a European program and of later support of such a program so far as it may be practical for us to do so. The program should be a joint one, agreed to by a number, if not all European nations.

An essential part of any successful action on the part of the United States is an understanding on the part of the people of America of the character of the problem and the remedies to be applied. Political passion and prejudice should have no part. With foresight, and a willingness on the part of our people to face up to the vast responsibility which history has clearly placed upon our country, the difficulties I have outlined can and will be overcome.

-- George C. Marshall,
June 5th, 1947

3 posted on 05/10/2003 12:01:20 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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4 posted on 05/10/2003 12:01:41 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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5 posted on 05/10/2003 12:02:04 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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Today's classic ship, USS Baltimore (CA-68)

Baltimore class heavy cruiser
Displacement. 13,600
Lenght. 673’ 5”
Beam. 70’ 10”
Draft. 26’ 10”
Speed. 33 k.
Complement. 1142
Armament. 9 8”; 12 5”; 48 40mm; 24 20mm; 4 Aircraft

The USS BALTIMORE (CA-68) was launched 28 July 1942 by Bethlehem Steel Co., Fore River, Mass.; sponsored by Mrs. Howard W. Jackson, wife of the Mayor of Baltimore; commissioned 15 April 1943, Captain W. C. Calhoun in command; and reported to the Pacific Fleet.

Between November 1943 and June 1944 BALTIMORE was a unit of the fire support and covering forces at the Makin Islands landings (20 November-4 December 1943); Kwajalein invasion (29 January-8 February 1944); Truk raid (16-17 February; Eniwetok seizure (17 February-2 March); Marianas attacks (21-22 February); Palau-Yap-Ulithi-Woleai raid (30 March-1 April); Hollandia landing (21-24 April); Truk-Satawan-Ponape raid (20 April-1 May); air strikes against Marcus Islands (19-20 May) and Wake Island (23 May); Saipan invasion (11-24 June); and the Battle of the Philippine Sea (19-20 June).

Returning to the United States in July 1944, she embarked President Roosevelt and his party and steamed to Pearl Harbor. After meeting with Admiral Nimitz and General MacArthur, the President was carried to Alaska where he departed BALTIMORE 9 August 1944.

Returning to the war zone in November 1944, she was assigned to the 3rd Fleet and participated in the attacks on Luzon (14-16 December 1944; and 6-7 January 1945); Formosa (3-4, 9, 15, and 21 January); the China coast (12 and 16 January); and Okinawa (22 January).

On 26 January she joined the 5th Fleet for her final operations of the war: Honshu Island attacks (16-17 February); Iwo Jima operation (19 February-5 March); and the 5th Fleet raids in support of the Okinawan operation (18 March-10 June).

After the cessation of hostilities BALTIMORE served as a unit of the “Magic Carpet” fleet and then as a part of the naval occupation force in Japan (29 November 1945-17 February 1946). Departing the Far East 17 February 1946 she returned to the United States and went out of commission in reserve 8 July 1946 at Bremerton, Wash.

BALTIMORE was recommissioned 28 November 1951 and assigned to the Atlantic Fleet. She was deployed with the 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean during the summers of 1952, 1953, and 1954. In June 1953 she represented the United States Navy in the Coronation Naval Review at Spithead, England. On 5 January 1955 she was transferred to the Pacific Fleet and was deployed with the 7th Fleet in the Far East between February and August 1955.

BALTIMORE commenced pre-inactivation overhaul upon her return from the Far East and went out of commission in reserve at Bremerton, Wash. 31 May 1956.

Just under fifteen years later, in February 1971, USS Baltimore was stricken from the Naval Vessel Register. She was sold for scrapping in May 1972.

BALTIMORE received nine battle stars for her service in the Pacific during World War II.

On a personal note, some of you may have noticed that I haven't been posting lately. When I retired from the Navy, I thought I would have more time on my hands. I decided to take it easy and take an easy job, and do only what was required of me. However it seems that what would be considered marginal performance in the Navy is considered outstanding performance in the civilian world, and, and after only 8 months I was offered a promotion over people who have been with the company 8 years. Like a fool I accepted. Now it seems I have less time than when I was in the Navy. I will continue to post "Today's classic ship" when I can. Y'all will just have to do without occasionally. :-)

6 posted on 05/10/2003 5:30:31 AM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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However it seems that what would be considered marginal performance in the Navy is considered outstanding performance in the civilian world...

As they say "Our nation's finest!" :^)

Congratulations on your promotion--I think. :^)

7 posted on 05/10/2003 5:51:41 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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Congratulations aomagrat.

We appreciate you taking the time from your day to post the Classic Ship. It's always a pleasure to see the profiles you've come up with.

The Baltimore Class sure had good a looking lines.
8 posted on 05/10/2003 6:16:48 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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Clic on the Pic

9 posted on 05/10/2003 6:19:08 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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We'll miss you (didn't I say that April 1st...) Seriously, good luck although it sounds like you won't need it.
10 posted on 05/10/2003 6:22:47 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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Good Morning Snippy.

Thanks for the link.

Off to get a haircut, do the grocery shopping before the crowds show up. See you a little later.
11 posted on 05/10/2003 6:23:14 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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Good Morning Sam. Sounds like another busy day.

Tell us later how the birthday dinner was.

Sleep, who needs it. LOL.
12 posted on 05/10/2003 6:26:14 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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Good morning FOXHOLER'S!!
13 posted on 05/10/2003 7:35:02 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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You posted the USS FOGG for me, it was my Uncle Fran's ship.

Thank you for you service to our nation.

14 posted on 05/10/2003 7:39:15 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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Good Dinner, tried a new Italian place in town. Real good Lasagna. She had a good time got some clothes and CD's and DVD's
15 posted on 05/10/2003 8:34:17 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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Good Morning Feather.
16 posted on 05/10/2003 8:34:43 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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The Baltimore Class sure had good a looking lines.

Sorta looks like a smaller version of the Iowa class battleship, doesn't she?

17 posted on 05/10/2003 9:00:42 AM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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Yep. Be easy to mistake the two from a distance.
18 posted on 05/10/2003 9:13:50 AM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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That's good to hear, can't go wrong with those gifts.

Looks like we've got bad weather headed our way so I better get out now to run my errands.

Now if I could just get my hubby moving on his honey-do list! Arrghh. :)
19 posted on 05/10/2003 10:23:51 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it

Good afternoon snippy!

20 posted on 05/10/2003 11:29:56 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (I support President George W. Bush and our Troops)
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To: bentfeather
Good afternoon. Pretty butterfly. Are you feeling better today after your fish fry (broiled) troubles?

Around here skies are getting pretty dark. We are keeping a 'heads up' to see if we need to head down to the basement soon. Hopefully today will be the last of the stormy weather for the midwest for a while. :)
21 posted on 05/10/2003 11:35:23 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
Feeling 100% today snippy!

Just something about fish can set me on edge. I think most fish are like that except for shellfish, well for me anyway.

The skies are bright here, sun is out after a somewhat dreary morning. I do think we are going to have more rain though. Let her come I say, I was here first!! LOL

Sure hope you don't have to spend the afternoon in a basement! I have no worries like that here in the East.

22 posted on 05/10/2003 11:41:49 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (I support President George W. Bush and our Troops)
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To: weldgophardline; Mon; AZ Flyboy; feinswinesuksass; Michael121; cherry_bomb88; SCDogPapa; Mystix; ...
FALL IN to the FReeper Foxhole!

To be removed from this list, please send me a blank private reply with "REMOVE" in the subject line! Thanks! Jen

23 posted on 05/10/2003 12:31:45 PM PDT by Jen (The FReeper Foxhole - Can you dig it?)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; AntiJen; SpookBrat; souris; MistyCA; SassyMom; All
Hello everybody! LOL, I posted this on yesterday's thread. I'm still sleepy.

click on the graphic

24 posted on 05/10/2003 12:45:46 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Still sleepy! What time is it? lol.
25 posted on 05/10/2003 12:50:38 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
LOL, I went to bed late last night. ;-)
26 posted on 05/10/2003 12:53:27 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: snippy_about_it
Actually, it was early this morning, LOL.
27 posted on 05/10/2003 12:54:23 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SAMWolf; *all

Clic on the pic

28 posted on 05/10/2003 1:06:07 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: AntiJen
29 posted on 05/10/2003 1:10:29 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: aomagrat
Join in with others to say thanks for the time spent forwarding Ship histories : )

Was researching ship camo patterns earlier today,

USS Baltimore is an item of debate as per her camo pattern at

Posted by George Cost on 15:37:31 9/21/2001 from
In reply to: Re: CA-68 posted by John Sheridan on 15:10:20 9/21/2001 from

I thought that Ms33 was the low contrast scheme, with just Light and Haze Gray. Thats what I've got on my USS San Francisco and USS Reno. I wasn't aware that Ms33 had this varient,

: : Thanks for the input. Now I'm really confused.
: : Squadrons new book, for all its faults, has a picture of C A68(you can read the hull# on then bow)in what they call
Ms 32/16d.
The reference on this web site list her as Ms 33 /16d , but Ms 33 was the low contrast Measure, eliminating b la color.
I'm thinking there is a typo on the ship camo reference. Which still doesn't bring me any closer to the deck p at tern!
: I orignally had CA-68 in MS 32/16d but after talking to John Snyder and Don Pruel, we determined that the colors carried by CA-68 were Light Gray 5-L, Haze Gray 5-H, and Navy Blue 5-N which would make it a MS-33 pattern and not MS-32.
As for Commanders and their MS-31 pattern....NO WAY!

John Sheridan

**For those reading along..the first number is the color pallete..the second is the design.

USS Isherwood DD 520 Aug/1944 Measure 31/16d

30 posted on 05/10/2003 2:12:02 PM PDT by Light Speed (A Free Range Freeper .....out on the Lease)
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USS Drayton DD 366 [Mahan Class]1941

USS Drayton recieved the nickname.."The Blue Beetle" from her paint job.

The attachment Draytons fleet call sign became Blue Beetle.

There's a few stories on Drayton as to her color..that she needed to go out from yard availability they painted her all blue.

Some comment it was an experiment by Navy dept.

Maybe aomagrat has the answer in his library : )

31 posted on 05/10/2003 2:50:34 PM PDT by Light Speed (A Free Range Freeper .....out on the Lease)
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To: SAMWolf; AntiJen; snippy_about_it; E.G.C.

Accompanied by Lieutenant General Wedemeyer (left), General George C. Marshall inspects a Chinese guard of honor on his arrival in Shanghai, December 1945, to begin his mission of mediating disputes between the Nationalist and Communist forces.

Gen. George C. Marshall annotates the message that Japan is surrendering and forwards it to Eisenhower. (GCM at right above).

USS George C. Marshall SSBN-654

When have we had someone of such intellect to get his arms around the military and the economic?

He won the war and won the peace.

Europe did not turn communist; Israel got its state.

As for China, perhaps nothing could be done with Chiang Kai-shek and his corruption vs. the inexorable Mao.

Was Marshall the last good Secretary of State?

The so-called Road Map depends upon the Palestinians who have already chosen war and Israel's destruction with their intifada.

Will America regain the brilliant compression of precision-guided financial aid perfected by Marshall?

Or will it continue to give billions to Egypt which praises "comrade Hitler of blessed memory who had the privilege of killing six million Jews"?

What a modest, masterful giant of a planner was Marshall.

May his ghost be a guiding hand in rebuilding Iraq.

32 posted on 05/10/2003 6:26:33 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Light Speed
Thanks for the backgrounds on the DD's.
33 posted on 05/10/2003 7:00:25 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Evening Victoria. Swing is always good to hear. Thanks
34 posted on 05/10/2003 7:02:06 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: PhilDragoo
*Was Marshall the last good Secretary of State?*


Look at the list after Marshall. Much ado about nothing?

Name: George C. Marshall
State of Residency: Pennsylvania
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 8, 1947
Entry on Duty: Jan 21, 1947
Termination of Appointment: Jan 20, 1949

Name: Dean G. Acheson
State of Residency: Maryland
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 19, 1949
Entry on Duty: Jan 21, 1949
Termination of Appointment: Jan 20, 1953

Name: John Foster Dulles
State of Residency: New York
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 21, 1953
Entry on Duty: Jan 21, 1953
Termination of Appointment: Apr 22, 1959

Name: Christian A. Herter
State of Residency: Massachusetts
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Apr 21, 1959
Entry on Duty: Apr 22, 1959
Termination of Appointment: Jan 20, 1961

Name: Dean Rusk
State of Residency: New York
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 21, 1961
Entry on Duty: Jan 21, 1961
Termination of Appointment: Jan 20, 1969

Name: William P. Rogers
State of Residency: Maryland
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 21, 1969
Entry on Duty: Jan 22, 1969
Termination of Appointment: Sep 3, 1973

Name: Henry A. Kissinger
State of Residency: District of Columbia
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Sep 21, 1973
Entry on Duty: Sep 22, 1973
Termination of Appointment: Jan 20, 1977
Note: Served concurrently as Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs until Nov 3, 1975.

Name: Cyrus Vance
State of Residency: New York
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 21, 1977
Entry on Duty: Jan 23, 1977
Termination of Appointment: Apr 28, 1980

Name: Edmund Sixtus Muskie
State of Residency: Maine
Non-career appointee
Appointment: May 8, 1980
Entry on Duty: May 8, 1980
Termination of Appointment: Jan 18, 1981

Name: Alexander Meigs Haig, Jr.
State of Residency: Connecticut
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 22, 1981
Entry on Duty: Jan 22, 1981
Termination of Appointment: Jul 5, 1982

Name: George P. Shultz
State of Residency: California
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jul 16, 1982
Entry on Duty: Jul 16, 1982
Termination of Appointment: Jan 20, 1989

Name: James Addison Baker, III
State of Residency: Texas
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 25, 1989
Entry on Duty: Jan 25, 1989
Termination of Appointment: Aug 23, 1992

Name: Lawrence S. Eagleburger
State of Residency: Florida
Foreign Service officer
Appointment: Dec 8, 1992
Entry on Duty: Dec 8, 1992
Termination of Appointment: Jan 19, 1993
Note: Commissioned during a recess of the Senate. Served as Acting Secretary of State, Aug 23-Dec 8, 1992.

Name: Warren M. Christopher
State of Residency: California
Non-career appointee
Appointment: Jan 20, 1993
Entry on Duty: Jan 20, 1993
Termination of Appointment: January 17, 1997

Name: Madeleine Korbel Albright
State of Residency: District of Columbia
Non-career appointment
Appointment: January 17, 1997
Entry on Duty: January 23, 1997
Termination of Appointment: January 19, 2001

Name: Colin L. Powell
State of Residency: Virginia
Non-career appointment
Appointment: January 20, 2001
Entry on Duty: January 20, 2001
Termination of Appointment:

35 posted on 05/10/2003 7:02:28 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: SAMWolf
Hi Sam. Good to see you, where have you been?
36 posted on 05/10/2003 7:06:23 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: PhilDragoo
Evening PhilDragoo. May his ghost be a guiding hand in rebuilding Iraq. We sure could use someone with Marshall's wisdom.
37 posted on 05/10/2003 7:08:58 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Getting stuff done around the house, upgrading some software.
38 posted on 05/10/2003 7:10:55 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: snippy_about_it
SOme of thoose names are real famliar, some are totally forgetable and some are just complete idiotic incompetents.
39 posted on 05/10/2003 7:12:06 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: snippy_about_it

Can't we all just get arong?
40 posted on 05/10/2003 7:15:22 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
AH! One of the toally inept, incompetent Sec of States!
41 posted on 05/10/2003 7:17:09 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: SAMWolf
It was actually very tale-telling looking at them in a list like this and thinking about the road we've been on.

Good Evening Sam.

Your home will be in tip-top shape by the time the in-laws arrive I'm sure!
42 posted on 05/10/2003 7:18:16 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: PhilDragoo
43 posted on 05/10/2003 7:19:04 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
Good Evevning Snippy.

Don't really care what shape it's in for them, just trying to catch up on all the stuff I should have kept up with.
44 posted on 05/10/2003 7:21:20 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: SAMWolf
Getting stuff done around the house, upgrading some software.

Is this going to be an every day event? Just wondering.

45 posted on 05/10/2003 7:22:17 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SAMWolf
Having company does get one motivated! Works for me anyway. :)
46 posted on 05/10/2003 7:22:40 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Not the software upgrades, LOL!
47 posted on 05/10/2003 7:23:44 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I with you Victoria, seems like by now the whole place must have been repainted, new yard, maybe an addition? hehe.
48 posted on 05/10/2003 7:23:58 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our Troops)
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To: snippy_about_it
Don't even think about having me repaint.
49 posted on 05/10/2003 7:27:21 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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To: snippy_about_it
They're not company, thye're intruders.
50 posted on 05/10/2003 7:28:35 PM PDT by SAMWolf ((A)bort (R)etry (I)mJustJokingButYouShouldHaveSeenTheLookOnYourFace...)
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