The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Seminole Wars (1812-1858) - June 24th, 2003

http://www.geocities.com/rodent70/html/1stSemWar.htm ^

[SAMWolf]

Thanks stainlessbanner.

I know the Seminoles got barely a mention in my Northern school when I was a kid.

[SAMWolf]

Thanks for the links with the additional info on the Seminoles.

[stainlessbanner]

I found another excellent website called Tour of the Florida Territory during the Seminole (Florida) Wars, 1792-1859.

You can take a county by county tour of the war through Florida.

[snippy_about_it]

:)

[snippy_about_it]

SAM what a surprise. Flowers today? *grin*

Thank you.

[stainlessbanner]

I found this story a little humorous - The Greys get points for creativity.....

Fake Seminoles in the Confederate Army (1864)
by Christopher Kimball
Source: http://www.tfn.net/SeminoleWar/fakemili.htm

This interesting list from the Civil War came to my attention while researching the Florida Militia cards in the genealogy section of the library. A friend was asking about possible Florida Seminole involvement in the Civil War on the side of the Confederacy. This information is on microfilm, copied from the original individual enlistment cards, and also printed in "Biographical Rosters of Florida's Confederate and Union Soldiers 1861-1865, Volume V" by David W. Hartman and David Coles.

What I found was, "Captain McBride's Company (Indians), Florida, (Confederate.)" This is a company that Captain McBride supposedly recruited for service to the Confederacy. All of the enlistment cards are signed by J.W. Wilkinson as "copyist." On each card is printed, "We the undersigned, respectfully volunteer and tender our services to the Confederate States of America, begging to be immediately admitted into their armies, having chosen A. McBride for our Captain. Dated Everglades, Fla., July 7, 1864."

Captain A. McBride is listed in "Biographical Rosters" as born in 1808, and "served in the Indian Wars under General Andrew Jackson." If this is true, he would have only been 10 years old when Jackson came to Florida in the First Seminole War. After Jackson served as Florida Territorial Governor in 1821, he returned home to Tennessee, and then went into politics. It is unlikely that McBride could have ever served under Jackson.

This roster of names is most likely fabricated, because many are not names that we see the Florida Indians use, many even quite comical. I do not know of any other examples where Seminole use name like Banana, Corn Stalk, Dry Eye, Fat Arms, or Thin Legs. No common Seminole or Muskogee names are used, like other lists from "friendly" Indian units who served on the side of the United States during the 2nd Seminole War.

The enlistment cards state that the names are taken from a list. A single list as opposed to separate rosters or enlistment papers. I would say that this entire unit was fabricated by the commanding officers to get themselves a paid commission out of the state government before the war ended. Most all of the names appear to be imagined around the campfire at night with a cheap bottle of whiskey. (There are some Anglo names on the list that are probably real people; part of the forgery.) It is also unlikely that any white man could have convinced this many Seminoles to gather at one location after fighting against them for the last several decades. After the last group of Florida Seminoles were taken to the western territories five years earlier, this many warriors could not even be found in Florida. What we do know of the Florida Seminoles in the Civil War is that they were very careful not to get involved.

These enlistment cards are signed in 1864. By then the war was not going very well for the Confederacy, and there would not be too many more battles that could have called this unit into action. If they did, the Captain could easily say that he could not reach the Seminoles in the Everglades in time for the battle, or that the Indians decided to flee instead of fight.

Another piece of evidence not considered before that would make this enlistment highly unlikely is the time of year. The recent new moon would have been three days before on July 4, 1864. That would have been the first new moon after the summer solstice, and very likely the time of the Green Corn Dance involving all of the remaining Seminole community. I can imagine that during this time, most Seminoles would not want any involvement with the white man. And none of the Seminoles in this muster would have cut short their important community ceremonies, to travel a few days to meet some white guy they just finished fighting against a few years ago.

Names on the enlistment cards:

Captain A. McBride

Privates:

Banana Bud
Big Dark
Big Stream
Big Watchie
Big Wave
Black Dog
Black Feet
Bounding Buck
Bowhatchie
Nick Bowings
Neal Briles
James Buckeye
Hector Carston
Hector Costard
Cotton Stalk
Dark River
Deep Sky
Drop
Bill Drover
Ostar Drung
Dry Eye
Jim Dukes
Fat Arms
Richard Gourd
Gray Woods
Green Pine
Harsh Water
Hassy Ossy
Joe Hatch
Jake Hundreds
Land Drum
Little Boaster
Little Hatchie
Smith Locker
Rice Mallitch
(?) Marston
Miles Marston
Nick Minsing
Musk
Nansummy
New Snaps
Sandy Nickols
Oak Tree
Oscar William
Mola Puly
Red Eye
Jones Richard
Scales
Shark
Short Legs
Shuck
Skipping Deer
Small Eye
Spade
Spike
Joseph Starkison
Henry Starns
Sweet Airs
Thin Legs
Josep Tree
White Hawk
White Nails
Henry white Oak
Wip
Yellow Orange

[SAMWolf]

Good Find!

[SAMWolf]

I guess I just got in the habit. I can delete the post if you don't want them. ;-)

[snippy_about_it]

Don't you dare! :)

[SAMWolf]

That was an interesting article. I'm curious as to why someone would go through the trouble of faking the Seminole enlistments.

[SAMWolf]

Well, since you put it that way....

[SAMWolf]

SEMINOLE WAR CHIEFS

YAHA-HAJO (Mad Wolf) was the second principal war chief of the Seminole nation, and had been among the seven chiefs selected to inspect the western lands reserved for the Seminoles.

OSCEOLA (Asseola, Assyn-ya-hola) was a fearless and cunning leader of the Seminoles who was born in Alabama between 1800 - 1806. His fighting tactics and daring brought many victories to his people over the U. S. Army.

MENAWA (Great Warrior) was a war chief of the Oakfuskee tribe of the Creek Nation. He lived in what is now central Alabama. He worked for the U.S. Army in the war against the Seminoles in Florida.

McINTOSH was born in the Creek Indian nation, in what is now the state of Georgia, about 1785. His father was Scottish and his mother a Creek. He rose to be chief of the Coweta tribe.

CHITTEE YOHOLO (The Snake That Makes a Noise) was a Seminole Chief -who was born in Florida. During the 1830's he participated in numerous attacks on outposts and settlements as the Seminole War escalated.

TUKO-MALTHIA (known as John Hicks) was chief of the Seminole Indians of Florida from 1824-1833. His portrait was painted in 1826 when he was in Washington on a diplomatic mission.

ITCHO YUSTENNUGGE (Deer Warrior) was a chief all the Seminole Indian nation. He, along with Chief Micanopy and five other chiefs, went to Washington in 1826 to confer with President Adams.

[Valin]

On This Day In History


Birthdates which occurred on June 24:
1759 Victor Emanuel I, King of Sardinia (1802-21)
1771 E I Du Pont France, chemist/scientist (Du Pont)
1783 Johann Heinrich von Thnen economist/geographer/farmer
1797 John Hughes archbishop, founded Fordham University in the Bronx
1813 Henry Ward Beecher Litchfield Ct, clergyman/orator (The Independent)
1839 Gustavus Franklin Swift founded Swift & Co
1842 Ambrose Bierce US, satirist (Devil's Dictionary)
1850 Horatio Herbert Kitchener England, original Order of Merit member
1895 Jack Dempsey heavyweight boxing champion (1919-26) (Manassa Mauler)
1901 Harry Partch Oakland Calif, composer (Oedipus)
1903 Phil Harris singer/actor (Anything Goes)
1909 Milton Katims NYC, conductor/violist (WOR-NYC)
1912 Norman Cousins editor (Saturday Review)
1915 Sir Fred Hoyle cosmologist, proposed steady-state universe theory
1916 John Ciardi poet/critic (translated Dante)
1919 Al Molinaro Kenosha Wisc, actor (Odd Couple, Happy Days)
1922 Roy Elihu Travis NYC, composer (Passion of Dedipus)
1922 Sibohan McKenna Ireland, stage actress (Saint Joan)
1923 Jack Carter Bkln NY, comedian/actor (Amazing Dobermans, Octagon)
1930 Claude Chabrol Paris France, director (Les Cousins, Oph‚ila)
1932 David McTaggart cofounded Greenpeace
1935 Pete Hamill journalist (NY Post)
1935 Terry Riley Colfax Calif, composer (Spectra)
1938 Boris Lagutin USSR, light-middleweight boxer (Olympic-gold-1964, 68)
1938 Walter Willison Monterrey Park Calif, actor (McDuff the Talking Dog)
1942 Michele Lee LA Calif, actress/singer (Karen-Knots Landing, Love Bug)
1942 Mick Fleetwood drummer (Fleetwood Mac) (or 1947)
1943 Georg Stanford Brown Havana Cuba, actor (Terry Webster-Rookies)
1944 Arthur Brown England, rocker (Fire)
1944 Bruce Johnston rocker (Beachboys-Surfin' Girl)
1944 Jeff Beck Surrey England, singer/songwriter (Jeff Beck Group)
1945 Betty Stove Netherlands, tennis player (US Doubles 1972)
1945 Colin Blunstone rocker (Zombies-Never Even Thought)
1946 Ellison S Onizuka Hawaii, Mjr USAF/ast (STS 51C, 51L-Chal disaster)
1947 Peter Weller actor (Robocop, 1st Born, Of Unknown Origin)
1950 Nancy Allen NYC, actress (Carrie, 1941, Robocop, Dress to Kill)
1951 Ivar Formo Norway, 50K cross country skier (Olympic-gold-1976)
1956 Joe Penny actor (Jake & the Fatman)
1957 Astro rocker (UB40-Red Red Wine)
1958 Victor M Gerena NYC, security guard robbed $7 million (FBI wanted)
1959 Andy McClusky rocker (Orchestal Manoeveres in the Dark-Electricity)
1961 Curt Smith rocker (Tears for Fears-Shout)
1961 Natalya Shaposhnikova USSR, sidehorse vaulter (Olympic-gold-1980)
1965 Danielle Spencer Bronx, actress (Dee Thomas-What's Happening)
1969 Melissa Gurney Calif, tennis player (Virginia Slims of SD, 1986)
1970 Glenn Medeiros singer (Someday Love)

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Deaths which occurred on June 24:
1519 - Lucrezia Borgia, daughter of Pope Alexander, dies at 39
1862 Martin Van Buren, 8th pres (1837-41), dies in Kinderhook NY at 80
1908 Grover Cleveland 22nd & 24th Pres, dies in Princeton, at 71
1922 Dr Walter Rathenau German foreign minister killed by anti-semites
1971 Kenneth Washington actor (Sgt Baker-Hogan's Heroes), dies at 53
1984 William Keighley actor, dies of a stroke at 94
1987 Jackie Gleason actor (Honeymooners), dies at 71 in Fort Lauderdale

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Reported: MISSING in ACTION

1965 VAN CAMPEN THOMAS C. OROVILLE CA.
[WOUNDED SEPARTED FROM UNIT]
1966 ELLIS WILLIAM SUMMERVILLE SC.
1967 SHERMAN ROBERT C DANVILLE IL.
[11/23/68 DIC, REMAINS RECOVERED 03/20/85]
1968 CARPENTER NICHOLAS MALLOR CINCINNATI OH.
[PROB DIED IN WRECKAGE, REMAINS RETURNED 9/90]
1968 MOBLEY JOSEPH S. INDIANAPOLIS IN.
["03/14/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE IN 98]
1972 BEEKMAN WILLIAM D. TOLEDO OH.
[03/28/73 RELEASED BY DRV]
1972 GRANT DAVID B. CHATTANOOGA TN.
[03/28/73 RELEASED BY DRV, ALIVE AND WELL 98]
1972 JACKSON CHARLES A. CHARLESTON WV.
[02/12/73 RELEASED BY DRV INJURED, ALIVE AND WELL IN 98]
1972 MC CARTY JAMES L. MC LEAN TX.
[REMAINS RETURNED 13 SEPT 90, REMAINS IDENTIFIED11 JUNE 97]

POW / MIA Data & Bios supplied by
the P.O.W. NETWORK. Skidmore, MO. USA.

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Thought for the day :
"The wise shepherd never trusts his flock to a smiling wolf."

[stainlessbanner]

Florida sent the highest percentage of Confederate soldiers to the war. By mid-1864, it was tapped out - perhaps McBride was under pressure to recruit and decided he would make up the names?

[SAMWolf]

The Dade Massacre

Lawless men, they were to blame.
....From the Georgia line they came.
Burning, killing, stealing slaves,
....From the Seminole Indian braves.
Major Dade and his hundred
....Were marching along,
By the edge of a thick swamp.
....It was shortly past dawn.
Through scrub and palmetto
....Their harnesses did ring.
They were marching from Tampa
....On the way to Fort King.
Oh, the sun's rays were burning,
....Dade's temper was short
His scout had deserted
....Somewhere to the north.
The men had a feeling,
....The land was too quiet.
They held their guns tightly
....Their eyes showed their fright
Well, it came of a sudden,
....That wild cry of craze,
From the screaming throats
....Of the Seminole braves.
Black smoke, thudding bullets
....From Indian guns.
I'll tell you, the Dade
....Massacre had begun.
Major Dade, he fell first
....With a deep mortal wound.
'Twas from Jumper's rifle
....That he met his doom.
His men were all killed
....Without mercy or plea.
This legend lives ever
....In our history.
Now the land is all serene,
....There's a marker at the scene.
Where Major Dade sleeps
....Among his hundred men.

Will McLean

From Cross The Shadows Of My Face, McLean
12/28/1835: Bushnell FL:

During the second Seminole War, Maj. Francis L. Dade, 7 officers, 100 men killed by Seminole soldiers under sub-chief John Jumper (Otee-Emathla)

[Darksheare]

I'm in.

[snippy_about_it]

We have a wealth of information here today. I can't wait to get home this evening and read it all! Great thread SAM and thank sb for the additions.

[SAMWolf]

I guess that sounds like a plausible excuse.

I imagine by 1864 record keeping and verification was not high on the governments priorities.

[snippy_about_it]

Good!

[SAMWolf]

1861 Tennessee becomes 11th (& last) state to secede from US

Al Gore invented seccession.