Posted on 10/30/2001 10:44:50 AM PST by AshleyMontagu
Read what I wrote Ashley. It always helps.
I wrote that this (the story of this officer) was discussed previously and that you were part of that discussion.
Not true?
I was perplexed at what would compel you to post a new thread. I still wonder (wink, wink).
Nevertheless, as you stated the case, it buttresses my view. Any such dilemma would not change because a person is a dual national.
Use the same story but the one finding the information is a Boston born Irish Catholic supporter of the Republican cause and the information is that the British are about to assassinate the entire IRA leadership.
By your doubts, since I purposely attained US citizenship, it is Israel that should question my loyalty.
You are making too much of dual citizenship. In reality its nothing more then paperwork. Loyalty is in the heart and actions depend on honor. For both dual and sole citizens.
And again to prove my point. Israeli Arabs are judged individually. There are non-Jews in very sensitive positions in Israel.
Because all their time is spent playing the ever popular game: "Who's Astonished Now".
I agree.
You are making too much of dual citizenship. In reality its nothing more then paperwork. Loyalty is in the heart and actions depend on honor. For both dual and sole citizens.
So citizenship is just a piece of paper to you? Is it like a sweater that you can put on and take off, it's the person inside that counts? No. It's more than just a piece of paper. It's more akin to a marriage than a state driver's license, for crying out loud. Your cavalier attitude towards the mere "paperwork" that enables you to participate fully in the U.S. speaks volumes and explains your unwillingness to be as strict as possible with who is entrusted with military secrets. That "paperwork" puts you under obligation. So you took the oath of citizenship under false pretenses? Is the oath, any oath, "just words" to you?
The U.S. is first and last to me. All other countries are secondary. If it were in the best interests of the U.S. to destroy my ancestral homeland (England, in my case) tomorrow, I would support it fully. Anybody who can't say the same thing and mean it has no business having a security clearance, as far as I'm concerned. Anybody with a dual citizenship would be less likely to feel the same way. If they did, they would be traitors to their other country, and nobody should trust a traitor, even if that traitor benefits the U.S.
Well, you're a dual national and you dodged the question. What would you do if you were faced with that scenario?
Use the same story but the one finding the information is a Boston born Irish Catholic supporter of the Republican cause and the information is that the British are about to assassinate the entire IRA leadership.
OK, I'll take you up on that. I'm a little unclear on your example, but I'll assume you mean that the Boston-born Irish-Catholic supporter is an American citizen still living in Boston. That's very simple, and no different than what I told you earlier. It is your duty as an American citizen not to reveal secrets to any other country (or to reveal secrets to anybody knowing that the information will end up in the hands of another country). I hope you didn't think my answer would be any different for Israel than it would for any other country. My husband is a naturalized American citizen from Chile, and he used to be in the U.S. Navy before he became an American citizen. He loves Chile, it's very close to his heart. His dad and many family members are still there. But, if he came across information that was vital to Chilean security, but the information was top secret U.S. government info and he was ordered to keep it to himself, he knows that it is his duty as an American not to reveal it. He took the citizenship oath very seriously. He meant every word he said.
You seem quite interested in this post. You have posted a large number of the replies on the thread. Yet you complain that I posted it. Why does this article bother you so much? But we know why, don't we, dual citizen?
But, and this again proves my point- and I will end here- you write that citizenship qualifies you for such rights as fully participating (lets read that as voting) in a country. That's not exactly true. I don't vote in Israel. And Israelis born in the US don't vote here. There reason is that citizenship is not sufficient, you also need to be a resident.
I am a citizen, live, work, vote and pay taxes in the United States. My Israeli citizenship is manifested by my holding an Israel passport without which I could never travel to Israel as they would not let me out of the country on my American passport alone. At this time, for me, my Israeli citizenship is an issue of paperwork. My affection for Israel would be identical was I a citizen or not.
Did you ask your question as a ploy to have me continue?
Do I have your respect again? LOL
What does this mean? Only Israeli citizens are allowed to leave Israel when visiting? Strange policy.
Good one.
Anyone who has ever had Israeli citizenship (by birth, etc) must enter- but most particularly-leave Israel using an Israeli passport.
How does that work? Only Israeli citizens can visit Israel?
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