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What Separates The U.S. From The Terrorist Nations Of The World?
Toogood Reports ^ | Weekender, November 2-4, 2001 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 11/02/2001 11:59:31 AM PST by Starmaker

This question will be construed by many to be unpatriotic, un-American, and simply uncalled for. Many will scoff at the idea that such a question should even be addressed, but I believe it is one that we should ponder. Why? Because we are currently attacking another nation for carrying out acts of mass destruction that pale in comparison to what we ourselves have done.

Before I'm tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail, let me just say that I support the idea of a legitimate, just, and, yes, even moral war. I believe such a war can and should be declared when the security of the citizens of the United States is directly at risk. After all, the primary job of the federal government, contrary to the modern teachings of liberal and neo-conservative collectivists, is to provide for the common defense of the nation. If the security, liberty, and lives of its citizens are threatened, the government has a sworn duty to eliminate that threat.

Unfortunately, most of the conflicts we have seen in the last century were the result of the federal government ignoring its obligation to the immediate defense of our own nation in order to pursue more global concerns. Can anyone make the case that the conflicts we saw in places like Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Haiti, Somalia, and Bosnia had anything to do with protecting the freedom of American citizens?

Now, the same people who were so quick to send soldiers off to kill and die for democracy overseas while ignoring the government's assaults on our liberty here at home are calling for unity in battling yet another foreign enemy. Perhaps our current predicament calls for some serious self-examination.

In our nationalistic frenzy we have been so intent on rooting out evil overseas that we have failed to notice the sins of our own nation. Again, I ask, what separates the U.S. from the terrorist nations of the world?

Many would say that we have a much greater respect for life and would never consider unleashing the kinds of atrocities we saw on September 11. Attacking innocent civilians with such cold-blooded calculation is beyond our comprehension. This kind of thinking lends credence to the old adage "ignorance is bliss."

During the last "just" war, World War II, the U.S. made it standard military procedure to specifically target civilians. German cities like Hamburg and Dresden were subjected to some of the most intense bombing raids in history. Even Japanese non-combatants in Tokyo could not escape the relentless firebombing. This policy of attacking civilian targets culminated in President Truman's order to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The result of these kinds of attacks throughout the war was a civilian death toll that climbed into the hundreds of thousands. Our government deliberately utilized this kind of warfare in order to strike terror in the hearts of foreign civilians. Sound familiar?

Needless to say, we do not have to look outside our borders for examples of the very evil we claim to loathe. Case in point, abortion. Since the unconstitutional Roe v. Wade decision was handed down by the Supreme Court in 1973, we have witnessed the government-sanctioned murder of over 40 million innocent children. This is an accomplishment that even the worst terrorist nations cannot claim. Why have we failed to unite against this particular evil?

It is understandable that Americans continue to feel outraged by the attacks of September 11. The media guaranteed that all of us had a front row seat to the grim scenes of death and destruction. We could not escape the gruesome images of commercial airliners slamming into skyscrapers, people hurling themselves out of windows to avoid being burned alive, or a million tons of steel and concrete raining down upon victims and rescuers.

Think of the collective outrage that would ensue if we were granted the same kind access to the carnage inside an abortion clinic. Imagine if we were to catch a glimpse of the bloody, twisted heaps of mangled limbs, see babies survive an abortion long enough to be tossed out alive with the rest of the medical waste, or hear the screams of mothers realizing, too late, the devastating consequences of their actions.

Are all these innocent lives worth it? Should we applaud the deliberate killing of over 200,000 Japanese civilians by our atomic bombs because it ended World War II a few weeks ahead of schedule? Are we to just accept the murder of 1.5 million children every year because of our distorted view of individual liberty and personal choice? Do we continue to tolerate the actions of a government that believes it has more important things to do than protect the rights of the innocent?

Foreign civilians, unborn children, national integrity— evidently, these are the sacrifices with which we are willing to live. Such a thing is to be expected when a society adopts an "end justifies the means" philosophy. In doing so, we have only succeeded in demonstrating that we are just as capable as any terrorist nation of committing acts of senseless violence with little or no regard for the sanctity of human life.

So, just what exactly is it that separates the United States from the terrorist nations of the world? Maybe the answer is more elusive than we care to admit.


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1 posted on 11/02/2001 11:59:31 AM PST by Starmaker
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To: Starmaker
So, just what exactly is it that separates the United States from the terrorist nations of the world? Maybe the answer is more elusive than we care to admit.

Easy. We have folks doing their best to come here. Very few people want to move to the terrorist countries. People vote with their feet. Typically, this columnist focuses on the scattered warts of America instead of the virtues.

2 posted on 11/02/2001 12:03:08 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Starmaker
to Lee R. Shelton IV:

These are specious arguments not worth responding to.

3 posted on 11/02/2001 12:08:18 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: an amused spectator
Starmaker posts but never replies. Everything I have seen is from toogood reports. What we have here is a shill for another web site.
4 posted on 11/02/2001 12:16:15 PM PST by gcruse
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To: dirtboy; an amused spectator
These are silly and sophomoric arguments, mired in intellectual laziness, are not worth dignifying with a response. Who writes this crap anyway?
5 posted on 11/02/2001 12:17:29 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Starmaker
"So, just what exactly is it that separates the United States from the terrorist nations of the world? "

I think it goes like this. A matter of definitions. If you carry explosives on bombers or missiles that is not terrorism. If they use cars or people to carry explosives, that's terrorism. Also our dead are 'innocent civilians' enemy dead is 'collateral damage'. I hope that clears it up.

Forget the 'we good - them bad' word games, get bin Laden, then over and out for good. George Washington was right.

6 posted on 11/02/2001 12:19:25 PM PST by ex-snook
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To: gcruse
This is an article to be ignored. Out of 280 Million people, we are bound to have millions of idiots. Thank God that this guy only represents the fringe minority.
7 posted on 11/02/2001 12:19:54 PM PST by ohioman
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To: Starmaker
Can anyone make the case that the conflicts we saw in places like Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Haiti, Somalia, and Bosnia had anything to do with protecting the freedom of American citizens?

Yes. Yes. No. Yes. No. No. No.

8 posted on 11/02/2001 12:22:11 PM PST by dead
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To: Starmaker
What Separates The U.S. From The Terrorist Nations Of The World? This question will be construed by many to be unpatriotic, un-American, and simply uncalled for.

While it is un-American (unpatriotic is redundant), the question is also stupid.

9 posted on 11/02/2001 12:25:03 PM PST by 1L
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To: Starmaker
There are those on the right as well as on the left who deliberately fog the differences between the two sides, in order to establish a moral relativism that fits their own unrelated political agendas. This case doesn't really lend itself very well to that technique, and this author looks as silly as the mullah yesterday who claimed that the U.S. deserved it because of slavery.

It wasn't the fact that the media gave us pictures of an airliner hitting a building that has us upset, it was the act itself! For the truly obtuse this is a difficult concept; for the rest of us it isn't very hard at all. This isn't a matter of perception, it's one of fact.

10 posted on 11/02/2001 12:26:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: 1L
"Why? Because we are currently attacking another nation for carrying out acts of mass destruction that pale in comparison to what we ourselves have done."

What a loser

11 posted on 11/02/2001 12:29:40 PM PST by JIM O
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To: Starmaker
We keep our terrorism behind closed doors. See? (RealVideo)
12 posted on 11/02/2001 12:32:43 PM PST by toenail
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To: ex-snook
If you carry explosives on bombers or missiles that is not terrorism. If they use cars or people to carry explosives, that's terrorism. Also our dead are 'innocent civilians' enemy dead is 'collateral damage'. I hope that clears it up.

Thank you Osama bin Snook.

13 posted on 11/02/2001 12:33:49 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: gcruse
click on his profile and then "find in forum"find in forum" your are dead right, all thread posts from Togwood Reports
15 posted on 11/02/2001 12:37:48 PM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: ex-snook
We will kill them, and kill them, and kill them, and continue to kill them. The only sad part of it is, that by doing so we are also protecting ignorant cowards like you. You cannot tell the difference (or pretend not to), between an act aiming at killing thousands of civilians, and bombing terrorist bases.
16 posted on 11/02/2001 12:41:55 PM PST by gedeon3
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To: ex-snook
that response is crap, terrorism is outside of war, directed at civilians, non military, this argument is the worst logic i have seen, and not well thought out. the only damage a terrorist causes is collateral and they make no attempt to spare innocents on the contrary they target them, if on the other hand america targeted in this way, there would be millions dead right now. These guys hide their troops and weapons in civilian areas in order to maximize civilian deaths in their own land.
17 posted on 11/02/2001 12:42:19 PM PST by veryconernedamerican
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To: veryconernedamerican
What else can we expect from traitors and cowards?
18 posted on 11/02/2001 12:44:24 PM PST by gedeon3
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To: gedeon3
something tells me exsnook is not from the same country as us, and has a much different agenda.
19 posted on 11/02/2001 12:54:17 PM PST by veryconernedamerican
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To: Starmaker
Below, extracted from Executive Order 13224, is the official definition of terrorism. Make what you will of it.

(d) the term "terrorism" means an activity that

(i) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, property, or infrastructure; and

(ii) appears to be intended

(A) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(B) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(C) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, kidnapping, or hostage-taking.

20 posted on 11/02/2001 12:54:58 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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