Posted on 11/13/2001 3:32:01 AM PST by vrwc54
I had to look too. Great pic. vrwc54 needs to post it.
It does not particularly comfort me when people who have not yet retrieved the wreckage--let alone examined it--immediately and forcefully state that it was an accident. It comforts me still less when they mention this just after stating that if it's a terrorist attack, it will kill off the airline industry. (As if mechanical defaults will make any of us feel more comfortable about flying!)
I think that's very likely. Also someone pointed out this plane was making round trips to Santo Domingo so the sabatage could have been done there out of the US, even the planting of a bomb.
The area where the engines and most of the aircraft came down is only three or four blocks wide, with Jamaica Bay on one side and the Atlantic Ocean on the other.
1. The vertical stabilizer is a lot lighter than an engine.
2. From observing the smoke plume, it is obvious that there was a fairly strong breeze off of the ocean - toward Jamaica Bay.
3. Depending on the altitude of the aircraft when the "engine came off", and the distance "off-shore" where the stabilizer and other "light" parts fell in Jamaica Bay it is conceivable that the engine could have knocked these parts off. The engine would have dropped almost vertical but the lighter parts could have been blown back the several blocks toward Jamaica Bay.
Just a thought. We'll soon know for sure.
Well, it once was. I don't know if it is anymore other than lip service.
I remember the AA Chicago O'Hare crash in 1979. An engine fell off that plane too. But they didn't find the tail in Lake Michigan. The plane fell down; it didn't disintegrate.
This crash is far different.
Any confirmation that this flight originated in Boston?
The helicopter was really reported close by, by eyewitnesses, the fighter plane also close by to the airbus, like, where's these guys testimony, and why were those first inital eyewitness reports being ignored now? Where's the statements from the crews on those military aircraft, they were even closer eyewitnesses in the area then the guys in the boats and on the ground when it all went down. Haven't heard an official peep from government about those eyewitnesses, nor heard any talking head ask any questions about them.
If I don't ask it, someone else is going to remember and ask it, and never been a-skeered of a tinfoil label, never. It really is simple, the still alive eyewitnesses who were in closest proximity to the airbus at the start of the incident are remaining un-quoted and ignored by the press, just wondering what their story is. I offered a possible explanation, which is not all that farfetched. there is precedent, iranair is one example, twa800 *might* be another example.
Just a rhetorical question, doesn't require an answer, but last year,just a year ago, would you have believed a 'shoot down" order on civil aircraft from the government, instead of just arming the pilots and crew? In a perceived emergency? "Shoot down" means shoot down. The nation is jumpy, these military protectors are jumpy, signals can get crossed, stuff happens. I know a guy misread a number over a radio, just a number, up and down the c and c chain it went, all the way to a pretty spectacular "friendly fire" episode. stuff happens.
This is a possibility, and I wonder aloud about it because the closest eyewitnesses are not being questioned about it, the government has not even offered a synopsis of what they might have seen, which you would think they would have been extremely fast to do, but they haven't done so. One leads to the other. If they haven't, 'why not"? they didn't see anything? Doubt that. If they saw the plane just start breaking up in flight, what's the odds joe government would be crowing about what they saw? Odds are highly in that favor you would think. Instead, nothing, no reports from those pilots or crew, even massaged reports.
Good point. Do you think the FBI has focus groups to try out various explanations?
Yes, absolutely no doubt. Hopefully they are adept at separating the overzealousness associated with the pundits who almost want a terrorist act to have taken place and those of us who realize that honesty in these uncertain times is a virtue. If our leadership could do anything to build upon the newly found solidarity of the people, it would be to GO HONEST! I truly believe that we will see the same amount of aircraft industry suffering regardless of which event is proven to have taken place.
Two month ago 3 planes were flown into buildings for Gods sake, and as of yesterday we were back up to 80% of pre 9/11 flyership.
ya know I had to look at that pic. I would of thought OLB would have hairier legs, not into shaving at all. Ha!
The tail is big and flat and wingy-like. It has a "low reynolds number" whereas the engine has a high reynolds number. The air appears "more soupy" to the tail than it does to the engine--which is essentially a big bullet. The tail will tend to 'flutter' down, with a high drag coefficient and rapid loss of forward velocity.
Think "ballistic coefficient".
It is entirely possible for the tail to be retarded by viscous aerodynamic forces while the engine is not retarded as much.
I am not saying this is what happened, but it is a technically plausible explanation.
--Boris
Hmm, speaking of awacs, where's the radar data? Exactly how close were the reported military planes/helo to this airbus?
The quicker the questions get asked, the better, in my opinion, this case or anything else. Every day that slips by is another day for spin to be thought of. I've seriously questioned 'government" since kennedy got whacked, and whopper after story after absurdity got carved in stone as 'the offical line". There has been a track record of way too many lies compared to truth. And way too many people have been historically scared to even question, they fear the 'anti government" label I guess, or something. I like government when it works, wish to clean up the messes when it doesn't work or lies about stuff. It's not black and white to me, it's detailed case by case by case. Does this past the smell test? If it doesn't, ask questions, hard questions, and never let up. More people do that, the better off we all are, and the more honest and efficient government becomes, because "we" are the government, they are supposed to follow our orders, not vice versa.
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