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Posted on 12/07/2001 10:15:51 PM PST by madrussian

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To: madrussian; AshleyMontagu; jmp702
Our friend here must be a Volga nazi. We better be careful.
Jewish people are good, act justly, don't lie and don't brag about achievements like this strange dude.
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51 posted on 12/10/2001 8:38:13 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Inyokern
In hindsight, they were correct to cheer the Russian Army. (Jews cheering the Red Army invading Poland in 1939)

These Jews were Polish citizens. Therefore, they were simply traitors. Thank you for giving your honest answer on this issue.

52 posted on 12/10/2001 8:45:42 PM PST by malarski
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To: malarski
You shouldn't do it.
Now he'll be praying for Johnny Taliban Walker, Silver Springs, MD, to be declared a patriot.
53 posted on 12/10/2001 8:56:37 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Inyokern
Do you perhaps have me mistaken for someone else? I don't remember that exchange. I have never called Jesus a "charismatic preacher," as far as I can recall.

Now that you mention it, I think it was "angelo" who characterized Jesus as such. Sorry about that confusion.

54 posted on 12/10/2001 9:14:37 PM PST by madrussian
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To: Inyokern
You can tell how people feel about a government by the way they vote with their feet.

During peace time, maybe. The fact that people were fleeing civil war where millions got killed, famine and shortages, doesn't prove anything.

55 posted on 12/10/2001 9:27:36 PM PST by madrussian
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To: Inyokern
No foreign government protected Gacy. With Sammy Sheinbein we see a different story. In spite of the fact that Sam would not even reveal the location of all his victim's body parts for a decent burial, Israel took Sheinbein in with open arms.
56 posted on 12/11/2001 4:49:09 AM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: CommiesOut
A classic example of these masters of deceit!

ANDREW GREENBAUM of the KKK serves as a fund raiser for Potok's Southern Poverty Law Center. How else could this whacko organization survive?

57 posted on 12/11/2001 5:08:30 AM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: GROUCHOTWO
At least Janko Wladek Gacyski was smart enough to change his name to good Irish one.
He didn't fool Inyo, though :(
58 posted on 12/11/2001 7:08:34 AM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
Haha. So we don't even know his nationality! I don't think we should rely on the judgement of those who constantly change the 'truth' to suit their purposes.
59 posted on 12/11/2001 8:26:06 AM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: Inyokern; madrussian
The Nobel Prize...contrary to popular opinion it is not 'bestowed'.

Had Armand Hammer lived long enough, there is a very good chance he would have received one. He, in his first attempt, obtained a Nobel nomination due to the efforts of Menachim Begin.

The use of nepotistic networks, academic cliques and, at times, even intermarriage gets these people these accolades......hustling, in other words.

P.S. Armand, named for the bloody Soviet symbol, spent a life time courting the Bolsheviks. His dad, one of the founders of the Comminist Party USA, spent time in jail for performing a deadly, botched, illegal abortion.

60 posted on 12/11/2001 12:03:40 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: GROUCHOTWO
The Nobel Prize...contrary to popular opinion it is not 'bestowed'. Had Armand Hammer lived long enough, there is a very good chance he would have received one.

He would not have received one for science. I only included Nobel Prize winners for Physics, Chemistry and Biology/Medicine, not the BS prizes such as the "Peace Prize."

It is in the sciences that the Poles seem to fall down. But, on the bright side, a lot of the Jewish prize winners probably had Polish cleaning ladies, if that makes you feel any better.

61 posted on 12/11/2001 12:17:22 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: madrussian
The fact that people were fleeing civil war where millions got killed, famine and shortages, doesn't prove anything.

You claim that Jews ran the Soviet Union and you claim that Jews liked communism. And yet Jews were among the most likely of any ethnic group to leave the Soviet Union while people could still get out. The desire of Jews to get away from Communist Russia was not a post-Stalin phenomenon, or a Jackson-Vanik era phenomenon, it exhibited itself from the very beginning of the communist regime.

3 million Jews wound up in the new (non-communist) nation of Poland, including 700,000 who moved there from other parts of the old Russian Empire. That does not even count the many Sovet Jews who applied for Polish citizenship and were turned away!

That certainly seems strange if Jews "ran the Soviet Union" or wanted to live under communism. Why would so many Jews leave a country that they supposedly ran?

62 posted on 12/11/2001 12:34:18 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
A little trouble with reading comprehension seems to plague your interpretation. The above reference was to all those awards.

BTW, the only citation about a Polish cleaning lady was the one in NY who was bludgeoned to death by a rabbi's grandson. The Hassids protected the killer by spiriting him away. The police were deterred from investigating because the Hassids are considered 'above the law' in NY.

63 posted on 12/11/2001 12:54:22 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: GROUCHOTWO
The above reference was to all those awards.

Oh, so you think Armand Hammer could have won a science award? You think the science awards are just bought? Which of the science award winners would you say is not legitimate and explain why.

64 posted on 12/11/2001 1:14:18 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
There are some selected over others just like there are some in New York that are prosecuted when others get away with murder.
65 posted on 12/11/2001 1:33:28 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: malarski
These Jews were Polish citizens. Therefore, they were simply traitors.

Jews were Polish citizens only when it suited the Polish government to call the citizens.

In October of the previous year, Germany had attempted to deport all Jews with Polish citizenship back to Poland. However, the Polish government said that, since they were Jews, they were NOT Polish citizens. The Polish government refused to allow them entry.

This incident did not exactly inspire loyalty among the Polish Jewish population.

66 posted on 12/11/2001 2:10:59 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: GROUCHOTWO
There are some selected over others just like there are some in New York that are prosecuted when others get away with murder.

So your position is that the reason only one Pole has ever won a Nobel Prize for science is political? Do you have any evidence that deserving Poles have been denied Nobel Prizes because they were Polish?

67 posted on 12/11/2001 2:14:17 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
Read Zuckerman to find out about the incest surrounding these awards.
68 posted on 12/11/2001 2:19:36 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: GROUCHOTWO; madrussian; malarski; Askel5; Zviadist; Free the USA; struwwelpeter; NewAmsterdam...
Start about Russia, Antarctica, three wheel industrial bicycles, Yeti, Kabul nights, the Milky Way and our dude turns the thread up side down and talks about cleaning ladies, Gacynski (Gacy+Kaczynski!), Zaolzie/Czechoslovakia, smart commie spy or Nobel.
Strange obsession. Kind of SM too.

Hope this young girl wasn't our cleaning lady. Poor child.
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It's interesting that charges against pervert were dismissed.
"Lew pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit a forcible felony and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. A judge later reconsidered the sentence and placed him on five years' probation."
"A store clerk was shot and awarded more than a million dollars in a civil lawsuit, but Lew has yet to pay any restitution." http://www.wsjs.com/news/01-06-Jun/010616-NWS.html
What a country, hm?
Looks like he's one of those guys who alienated the whole town of good Lutheran neighbors in Iowa, turned the place into pigsty, brought a lot of illegal aliens (who worked for peanuts) and were "smeared" in a book about Postville by self-hater (and socialist or even commie) Stephen Bloom.

69 posted on 12/11/2001 2:54:29 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Inyokern
You claim that Jews ran the Soviet Union and you claim that Jews liked communism.

I never said anything in those terms. Those statements are too broad. Read the first paragraph of the article, that's closer to what I said.

it exhibited itself from the very beginning of the communist regime.

The regime, over which Jews strangely presided (sans Lenin and a handful of others in a overwhelmingly Jewish government).

70 posted on 12/11/2001 3:01:18 PM PST by madrussian
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POLISH PRIEST GETS WRIST SLAP. Charges of raping a 16-year-old from Poland were dropped against Rev. Julian Pagacz, 50, pastor of St. Valentine’s Polish National Catholic Church in Northampton, after she refused to testify. Charges of indecently assaulting a Hampshire Co. girl, age 17, were plea-bargained down to one charge of indecent touch. Pagacz was accused of threatening to deport the Polish girl if she reported the rape. A judge ordered him to turn over the girl’s passport, as well as his own. He also denies a charge by a neighbor that she and her husband caught him looking in her window late one night and that she had stopped sunbathing in the backyard because he ogled her. She wrote out a trespass notice against him and informed the church, but was told "he wouldn’t do that". Angry parishioners decried the women’s complaints as a "witch hunt". Follower Ellen Mierzewski called one of the alleged victims "a Communist who thought she’d get money out of it". Source:

Springfield Union-News 2/17,18/92, 5/8/92; Sun-Republican 2/16/92; Boston Globe 5/5,8/92.

71 posted on 12/11/2001 3:09:08 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: CommiesOut
Looks like inny got his sources mixed up. It was Rabbi Lanner who was accused. That's the guy from NY who was in charge of the food tax.
72 posted on 12/11/2001 3:24:41 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: GROUCHOTWO
He's is trying to make peace with us by showing that charges against our dude were dropped because girl refused to testify. Ergo: no crime.
I treat him as a friend from now on.
Btw, almost forgot that something like National Church exist.
Another opportunity to do a research and learn new things.
73 posted on 12/11/2001 3:45:26 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
The Postville story is fascinating. It was more than a clash of cultures. It was an invasion of indiscriminate law-breakers. People in Postville were honest, neighborly and law-abiding. They hadn't experienced an armed robbery for 25 years until these people moved in.

By buying off politicians, judges and others they are continuing to pervert this area. Don't get me wrong. Postville is still a better area to live in than some places, but the law breaking continues. Fines for contaminating river and ground water are ignored. Hiring illegal aliens is no problem for these ex-New Yorkers. Theft and robberies are commonplace now.

"What strange birds that foul their own nest."

74 posted on 12/11/2001 4:08:50 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: Inyokern
In October of the previous year, Germany had attempted to deport all Jews with Polish citizenship back to Poland.

Any links on the above? Also, what were the Jews doing in Germany in October of 193?. By any chance were they citizens of two or more countries or maybe also owners of some of the most disrespectful business establishments?
Interesting, interesting ...

75 posted on 12/11/2001 5:18:19 PM PST by malarski
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To: GROUCHOTWO
Hey. Here is a great page about Polish intellectuals
76 posted on 12/11/2001 5:28:05 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: malarski
Any links on the above?

Last paragraph.

77 posted on 12/11/2001 5:54:12 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: GROUCHOTWO
Looks like inny got his sources mixed up. It was Rabbi Lanner who was accused.

Perhaps you mean Phillip Carl Jablonski

78 posted on 12/11/2001 6:02:06 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: GROUCHOTWO
Our friend should take some break.
He doesn't even know that not every -ski is Polish and not every -stein is Jewish.
Telling truth he looks like an crypto-antisemite to me.
NORTH COAST CLASSIFIEDS
79 posted on 12/11/2001 6:48:33 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Inyokern
a lot of the Jewish prize winners probably had Polish cleaning ladies, if that makes you feel any better.

Inny, you never learn. Because of guys like you, who treat Polish, Russian, German or Arab cleaning ladies with disrespect and contempt, the world situation is becoming worse and worse. You may recall that Hitler's and Stalin's mothers were cleaning ladies for the Jewish families. And see what happened? If I were you, I would be nice to the cleaning ladies and janitors. Surprisingly, they do know a lot of dirty secrets of the families that they work for.

80 posted on 12/11/2001 7:47:34 PM PST by malarski
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To: malarski
Try this link: University of Maryland and go to Mike Rosenzweig, Ph. D. - Jewish-Polish Heritage.
You'll find another link: Jewish History in Poland- 1800 to 1939.
Close to the bottom of page you'll find:
Of great importance were the events in Germany. After Hitler took power, mass persecutions of Jews started, among whom there were also some 50,000 Polish subjects living in Germany. This resulted in official protests from the Polish consulates and embassy which took various steps to help the persecuted. However, the Polish authorities were afraid that this persecution would reduce the Polish Jews living in Germany to such poverty that they would be forced to return to Poland where they would not find any means of subsistence. Many employees of the Polish consulates-as reports sent to Warsaw indicate-intervened on behalf of Jews for purely humanitarian reasons, since they wanted, at least to some degree, to alleviate the difficult situation of the persecuted Jews.

These interventions stopped the Third Reich from applying against the Polish Jews all repressive measures which were used against the German citizens of Jewish origin. However nothing could change radically the situation of Polish Jews in Germany. In the years 1938-39 more and more often Polish Jews, leaving behind all their property, were hurried across the border to Poland under threat of death. Particularly harsh measures were applied in the last days of October 1938 when some 13,000 were forced in this way out of Germany (according to data of the Polish consulates). For several days the victims stayed in the open air, between the two border points, before they were allowed back to Poland. Here, having no means of subsistence, they waited for many weeks in transit camps near the border.

All these events made the picture of the future really gloomy. Poland faced a direct danger. Those who were preparing for departure from Poland had one more reason for doing so. The others, the overwhelming majority, who had no such possibility nor wished to leave Poland which they considered their motherland, awaited anxiously what the future had in store for them.

In the face of threat from the Third Reich the Jewish community in Poland demonstrated great self-sacrifice in the cause of defending the Republic. They contributed to the state loan for defensive purposes and collected funds for the army. This sacrifice manifested itself also during September 1939. The outstanding scholar Emanuel Ringelblum wrote the following about the sentiments prevailing then in Warsaw: ''The Warsaw Jews were overcome with enthusiasm which recalled the year 1861, the era of fraternity., During the siege of Warsaw, Jewish organizations took an active part in civil defense and assistance to victims. The historian Bernard Mark recalls an unusual demonstration of Jews through the streets of Warsaw: ''In the first line there marched five well-known rabbis in long, silk black coats and sable hats... They were followed by students of the rabbinical college, each carrying a spade on his shoulders.'' Many Jews helped to dig earthworks even on holiday, Saturday. Others took up arms and fought the common enemy. The defeat of the Polish army in the September campaign opened a new, tragic period in the common history of Jews and Poles.
The same paragraphs can be found also here. I like this version much better because it seems to be approved by the Polish Jews (those who know the facts). I'd leave the propaganda works for local neocommies, Übermenschen, Spinnmeisters and G. Will.

Well, where were we? (Let's hope he doesn't jump in with Gacynski© links now...)

81 posted on 12/11/2001 8:12:02 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
Jablonski probably claims to be a Jew to impress women. Or maybe he is just ashamed to be the same ethnicity as Gacy.
82 posted on 12/11/2001 8:16:49 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: malarski
Inny, you never learn. Because of guys like you, who treat Polish, Russian, German or Arab cleaning ladies with disrespect and contempt, the world situation is becoming worse and worse.

I NEVER treat cleaning ladies with disrespect. I am insulted that you would even suggest such a thing.

83 posted on 12/11/2001 8:19:28 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: malarski
And, by the way, are you guys going to let them beat up on Martha Stewart? A fine Polish American woman, matron saint of cleaning ladies everywhere.
84 posted on 12/11/2001 8:23:40 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: CommiesOut
In the face of threat from the Third Reich the Jewish community in Poland demonstrated great self-sacrifice in the cause of defending the Republic.

Someone has obviously kidnapped CommiesOut and is typing pro-Jewish messages on his computer. I'm concerned.

85 posted on 12/11/2001 8:28:01 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
No, my friend. We stressed on many occasions that there was a lot of patriotic Polish Jews who fought arm in arm and died with their Polish Catholic compatriots. A lot of them rest in the same graves.
Your love toward us must have made you temporarily blind and you missed it.
86 posted on 12/11/2001 8:52:15 PM PST by CommiesOut
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Inny, this is from your link, The Holocaust Chronicles:

The most important result of the Evian Conference was that it undermined the illusion that forced emigration could really solve the Nazis' "Jewish problem." Later in the year, German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop would succinctly sum up the situation for Hitler by recalling a conversation with Georges Bonnet, Ribbentrop's French counterpart. Bonnet had insisted that France did not want to receive any more Jews from Germany, and in fact wanted to ship 10,000 Jews elsewhere. Ribbentrop told Hitler that he had replied to Bonnet "that we all wanted to get rid of our Jews but that the difficulties lay in the fact that no country wished to receive them."

Tell me now, if all of the countries did not want to receive the Jews, why should Poland do so? So that later on the same Jews could kiss the Soviet tanks invading Poland?

87 posted on 12/11/2001 8:56:15 PM PST by malarski
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To: CommiesOut
It is worth to remember that it is in the self interest of the frustrated and bigoted JewAms to criticize Poland for the crimes uncommited, namely of not helping the Polish Jews during WWII. There are two reasons for that:

1) to hide their own shameful behaviour of not helping the Jews in Europe during the WWII in general.
2) to hide the fact that there were patriotic Poles of Jewish heritage to whom Poland was their country, first and foremost.

88 posted on 12/11/2001 9:21:31 PM PST by malarski
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Tell me now, if all of the countries did not want to receive the Jews, why should Poland do so?

The only Jews Poland was asked to accept were those who held Polish citizenship. The Poles refused.

By the way, the 1938 law revoking the citizenship of Polish Jews living outside Poland revoked the citizenship of Georges Charpak. Of course, after Charpak won a Nobel Prize for physics in 1992, the Poles began claiming him as a "Polish" Nobel Prize winner!

89 posted on 12/12/2001 6:25:38 AM PST by Inyokern
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