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Oil from Coal....Boon, Bane, or Boondoggle? (posted 12/31/2001)
various links | 12-31-01 | backhoe

Posted on 12/31/2001 5:37:24 AM PST by backhoe

On the way to "looking up other things" I ran across an old subject- converting coal & other solid-fuel products to liquid or gaseous fuel.

Pioneered by Nazi Germany during WWII, it was also used in South Africa during sanctions against that country.

America has some of the world's largest coal reserves, so the question becomes, "is it a viable alternative to petroleum products which we now import from hostile lands?"

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... It was announced by Teagle that joint research work on production of oil from coal
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In reviewing this, note the references to early efforts- South Africa circa 1890, New York City in WWII, and the inter-war years activity of Standard Oil.


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To: VMI70
Happy New Year, VMI70!
41 posted on 12/31/2001 2:30:10 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Coal is being turned into natural gas in Beulah, N.D., the only large-scale synfuels plant in the United States. Lots of byproducts. Years and years of subsidies through fixed-price contracts for natural gas, and eventual financial collapse resulted. However, with natural gas prices elevated - last time I looked -- it apparently is doing ok.

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42 posted on 12/31/2001 2:36:33 PM PST by Otto Krueger
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To: Otto Krueger
Appreciate the info:

-http://www.dakotagas.com/--

43 posted on 12/31/2001 2:47:23 PM PST by backhoe
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To: VMI70
LOL!

Everyone in Alberta knows quite a bit about the oil, gas and cattle industries, even those who never worked in one of them!

44 posted on 12/31/2001 2:55:51 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: aristeides
Personally, I doubt it. The staunch enviromentalists have, imo, the characteristics of a religious movement. What would be interesting is to what extent enzymes could be bioengineered to expedite this conversion process. I suspect something like gold-leaching would be possible here too.
45 posted on 01/01/2002 11:53:45 AM PST by a history buff
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To: backhoe
yeah, but is it affordable?

i remember in the late seventies and early eighties they were gearing up for colorado oil shale near parachute colorado. hoards of people arrived. construction companies built hundreds of houses.

meanwhile, the left was gearing up for a propaganda war. a journalist friend of mine invited me to go along in an suv to look at the surface mining. the trip was arranged by a college professor who got the mining company to permit him to pass the corporate security. my hosts discussed their propaganda task.

then, poof! opec lowered the price of oil and everything disappeared. boom to bust.

46 posted on 01/01/2002 12:01:24 PM PST by ken21
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To: ken21
Like all things, price counts... up on #2, RK quoted $65 a barrel; obviously out of the question unless oil goes sky-high.

Just anecdotally, I recall hearing that the Germans had a lot of problems with fuel & lube oil gotten from coal... supposedly it was not as good as that cracked from liquid petroleum.... but this is from a long-ago memory, and not reliable.

The bigger point is, however, that even without going more heavily nuclear ( which I think should be top priority ) we have plenty of energy on our own continent, and offshore, that it is the height of folly to depend on those thugs in the middle east for oil & gas.

By the way, I keep forgetting to add these links:

Oil may not be a dwindling resource after all:

The world has more oil not less

The Origin of Methane (and Oil) in the Crust of the Earth
Thomas Gold
U.S.G.S. Professional Paper 1570, The Future of Energy Gases, 1993

PETROLEUM RESERVES EVALUATED WITH MODERN PETROLEUM SCIENCE

Another Washington Post article here

And how costly was clinton's celebrity-driven scam in Utah?

The Utah Coal Lockup: A trillion dollar Lippo payoff?
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/lippo.htm

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47 posted on 01/01/2002 1:24:41 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
no disagreement here.

the nuclear battle was fought and lost a generation ago when jane fonda made that anti-nuclear movie, and many people believed it. what a cheap piece of propaganda.

there's oil off the california coast but baboxer isn't going to let go of it.

48 posted on 01/01/2002 1:31:54 PM PST by ken21
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To: ken21
what a cheap piece of propaganda

Yep, "The China Syndrome"-- good example of why people should not accept celebrities as experts on anything except what they do for a living.

On the bright side, a whole generation has grown up with Homer Simpson working in a nuclear plant ( yes, I know he's a 'toon, but pop culture has serious influence! ) and he's still OK....

Seriously, what we need is a "re-educate the public" program about how safe US Navy reactors are, how drilling offshore causes less pollution that natural seepage, etc.

49 posted on 01/01/2002 2:25:10 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Petro bump^
50 posted on 01/16/2002 3:19:19 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe

Bump


51 posted on 07/25/2004 12:19:16 PM PDT by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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Anything into Oil(solution to dependence on foregn oil?)
DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 5 | May 2003 | Brad Lemley
Posted on 04/21/2003 5:57:41 AM PDT by honway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/897232/posts


52 posted on 03/25/2005 10:44:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (last updated my FreeRepublic profile on Friday, March 25, 2005.)
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To: All
Time to rethink OFC...

Sticker Shock-$3 a gallon gas? Click the picture:


53 posted on 08/26/2005 4:37:50 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the Sunset...)
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Coal in Your Car’s Tank

the new american ^ | 06.09.09 | Ed Hiserodt
Posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 11:18:10 PM by Coleus

54 posted on 02/24/2009 12:54:10 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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