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Palestine, a Land virtually laid waste with little population
EretzYisroel.org -- excerpt from "From Time Immemorial" ^ | 1984 | Joan Peters

Posted on 01/09/2002 4:48:50 AM PST by Sabertooth


Palestine, a Land virtually laid waste with little population 

A review of Palestine, before the era of prosperity began with the late nineteenth-century renewal of Jewish land settlement, shows that periodically Palestine was virtually laid waste, and its population suffered acute decline.

An enormous swell of Arab population could only have resulted from immigration and in-migration (from Jordan and the West Bank to the coastal area). It is helpful to see the land that was virtually emptied-and why.

Dio Cassius, writing at the time, described the ruin of the land beginning with the destruction of Judah:

Of their forts the fifty strongest were razed to the ground. Nine hundred and eighty-five of their best-known villages were destroyed....

Thus the whole of Judea became desert, as indeed had been foretold to the Jews before the war. For the tomb of Solomon, whom these folk celebrate in their sacred rites, fell of its own accord into fragments, and wolves and hyenas, many in number, roamed howling through their cities.1

One historian after another has reported the same findings.
In the twelve and a half centuries between the Arab conquest in the seventh century and the beginnings of the Jewish return in the 1880's, Palestine was laid waste. Its ancient canal and irrigation systems were destroyed and the wondrous fertility of which the Bible spoke vanished into desert and desolation... Under the Ottoman empire of the Turks, the policy of disfoliation continued; the hillsides were denuded of trees and the valleys robbed of their topsoil.2
In 1590 a "simple English visitor" to Jerusalem wrote, "Nothing there is to bescene but a little of the old walls, which is yet Remayning and all the rest is grasse, mosse and Weedes much like to a piece of Rank or moist Grounde."3

"While Tiberias was being resettled by Jews from Papal states, whose migration was approved by a papal Bull, Nazareth was continuing its decline." A Franciscan pilgrim translated a Latin Manuscript that reported that " 'A house of robbers, murderers, the inhabitants are Saracens.... It is a lamentable thing to see thus such a town. We saw nothing more stony, full of thorns and desert.'"4  A hundred years afterward, Nazareth was, in 1697, "an inconsiderable village.... Acre a few poor cottages ... nothing here but a vast and spacious ruin." Nablus consisted of two streets with many people, and Jericho was a "poor nasty village."5

In the mid-1700s, British archaeologist Thomas Shaw wrote that the land in Palestine was "lacking in people to till its fertile soil."6 An eighteenth-century French author and historian, Count Constantine Frangois Volney, wrote of Palestine as the "ruined" and "desolate" land.

In "Greater Syria," which included Palestine,

Many parts ... lost almost all their peasantry. In others.... the recession was great but not so total.7
Count Volney reported that, "In consequence of such wretched government, the greater part of the Pachilics [Provinces] in the empire are impoverished and laid waste." Using one province as an example, Volney reported that
... upwards of three thousand two hundred villages were reckoned; but, at present, the collector can scarcely find four hundred. Such of our merchants as have resided there twenty years have themselves seen the greater part of the environs ... become depopulated. The traveller meets with nothing but houses in ruins, cisterns rendered useless, and fields abandoned. Those who cultivated them have fled... 8

... And can we hope long to carry on an advantageous commerce with a country which is precipitately hastening to ruin? 9

Another writer, describing "Syria" (and Palestine) some sixty years later in 1843, stated that, in Volney's day, "the land had not fully reached its last prophetic degree of desolation and depopulation." 10

From place to place the reporters varied, but not the reports: J. S. Buckingham described his visit of 1816 to Jaffa, which "has all the appearances of a poor village, and every part of it that we saw was of corresponding meanness."11 Buckingham described Ramle, "where, as throughout the greater part of Palestine, the ruined portion seemed more extensive than that which was inhabited."12

After a visit in 1817-1818, travelers reported that there was not "a single boat of any description on the lake [Tiberias]."13 In a German encyclopedia published in 1827, Palestine was depicted as "desolate and roamed through by Arab bands of robbers."14

Throughout the nineteenth century the abandonment and dismal state of the terrain was lamented. In 1840 an observer, who was traveling through, wrote of his admiration for the Syrian "fine spirited race of men" whose "population is on the decline."15 While scorning the idea of Jewish colonization, the writer observed that the once populous area between Hebron and Bethlehem was "now abandoned and desolate" with "dilapidated towns."16 Jerusalem consisted of "a large number of houses ... in a dilapidated and ruinous state," and "the masses really seem to be without any regular employment." The "masses" of Jerusalem were estimated at less than 15,000 inhabitants, of whom more than half the population were Jews.17

The British Consul in Palestine reported in 1857 that

The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population.... 18
In the 1860s, it was reported that "depopulation is even now advancing."19 At the same time, H. B. Tristram noted in his journal that
The north and south [of the Sharon plain] land is going out of cultivation and whole villages are rapidly disappearing from the face of the earth. Since the year 1838, no less than 20 villages there have been thus erased from the map [by the Bedouin] and the stationary population extirpated. 20
Mark Twain, in his inimitable fashion, expressed scom for what he called the "romantic" and "prejudiced" accounts of Palestine after he visited the Holy Land in 1867.21 In one location after another, Twain registered gloom at his findings.
Stirring scenes ... occur in the valley [Jezreel] no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent-not for thirty miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. 22
In fact, according to Twain, even the Bedouin raiders who attacked "so fiercely" had been imported: "provided for the occasion ... shipped from Jerusalem," by the Arabs who guarded each group of pilgrims.
They met together in full view of the pilgrims, after the battle, and took lunch, divided the baksheesh extorted in the season of danger and then accompanied the cavalcade home to the city! The nuisance of an Arab guard is one which is created by the sheikhs and the Bedouins together, for mutual profit... 23
To find ". . . the sort of solitude to make one dreary," one must, Twain wrote dramatically,
Come to Galilee for that... these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness, that never, never do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and fade and faint into vague perspective; that melancholy ruin of Capernaum: this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering under its six funereal palms.... We reached Tabor safely .... We never saw a human being on the whole route. 24

Nazareth is forlorn .... Jericho the accursed lies a moldering ruin today, even as Joshua's miracle left it more than three thousand years ago: Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and their humiliation, have nothing about them now to remind one that they once knew the high honor of the Savior's presence; the hallowed spot where the shepherds watched their flocks by night, and where the angels sang, "Peace on earth, good will to men," is untenanted by any living creature... Bethsaida and Chorzin have vanished from the earth, and the "desert places" round about them, where thousands of men once listened to the Savior's voice and ate the miraculous bread, sleep in the hush of a solitude that is inhabited only by birds of prey and skulking foxes.25

"Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes.... desolate and unlovely.. . Twain wrote with remone. it is dreamland." 26

Jaffa, a French traveler wrote late in the nineteenth century, was still a ruin27. Haifa, to the north, had 6,000 souls and "nothing remarkable about it," another Frenchman, the author of France's foremost late-nineteenth-century Holy Land guidebook, commented. Haifa "can be crossed in five minutes" on the way to the city of Acre, he judged; that magnificent port was commercially idle. 28

Many writers, such as the Reverend Samuel Manning, mourned the atrophy of the coastal plain, the Sharon Plain, "the exquisite fertility and beauty of which made it to the Hebrew mind a symbol of prosperity."

But where were the inhabitants? This fertile plain, which might support an immense population, is almost a solitude.... Day by day we were to learn afresh the lesson now forced upon us, that the denunciations of ancient prophecy have been fulfilled to the very letter -- "the land is left void and desolate and without inhabitants." 29

Report followed depressing report, as the economist-historian Professor Fred Gottheil pointed out: "a desolate country"; 30 "wretched desolation and neglect";31 "almost abandoned now"32 "unoccupied";33  "uninhabited";34  "thinly populated."35


In a book called Heth and Moab, Colonel C. R. Conder pronounced the Palestine of the 1880s "a ruined land." According to Conder,

so far as the Arab race is concerned, it appears to be decreasing rather than otherwise.36
Conder had also visited Palestine earlier, in 1872, and he commented on the continuing population decline within the nine or ten-year interim between his visits:
The Peasantry who are the backbone of the population, have     diminished most sadly in numbers and wealth.37
Pierre Loti, the noted French writer, wrote in 1895 of his visit to the land: "I traveled through sad Galilee in the spring, and I found it silent. . . ." In the vicinity of the Biblical Mount Gilboa, "As elsewhere, as everywhere in Palestine, city and palaces have returned to the dust; This melancholy of abandonment, weighs on all the Holy Land." 38

David Landes summarized the causes of the shriveling number of inhabitants:

As a result of centuries of Turkish neglect and misrule, following on the earlier ravages of successive conquerors, the land had been given over to sand, marsh, the anopheles mosquito, clan feuds, and Bedouin marauders. A population of several millions had shrunk to less than one tenth that number-perhaps a quarter of a million around 1800, and 300,000 at mid-century.39

Palestine had indeed become "sackcloth and ashes."

1. Dio Cassius, History of the Romans, lxix, 12-14, cited by de Haas, History, pp. 55-56. De Haas adds: "In the third of the Schweich Lectures of 1922 the late Israel Abrahams ('Campains in Palestine from Alexander the Great' London, 1927) belittles Dio, Cassius' record of this war, and repeats the suggestion that the Jews were influenced by Hadrian 'consent to the rebuilding of the Temple.' This rebuilding myth, depending upon the alleged visit of Hadrian to Palestine on the death of Trajan, has been fully dealt with by Henderson in his biography of Hadrian. All the dimensions of the war, its gravity, and its duration, are fully attested by the inscriptions relating to the legions and by the honors distributed at the end of the campaign. The archeological records, carefully analyzed, support Dio Cassius and not his would-be corrector.

2. Carl Hermann Voss, "The Palestine Problem Today, Israel and Its Neighbors" (Boston, 1953), p. 13. 

3. Gunner Edward Webbe, Palestine Exploration Fund, Quarterly Statement, p. 86, cited in de Haas, History, p. 338.

4. De Haas, History, p. 337, citing Palestine Exploration Fund, Quarterly Statement, 1925, p. 197, translation of Latin manuscnpt by a Franciscan pilgrim.

5. Henry Maundrell, The Journal of Henry Maundrellfrom Aleppo to Jerusalem, 1697, Bohn's edition (London, 1848), respectively pp. 477, 428, 450.

6. Thomas Shaw, Travels and Observations Relating to Several Parts of Barbary and the Levant (London, 1767), p. 331ff. De Haas notes: "Hasselquist, the Swedish botanist, munching some roasted ears of' green wheat which a shepherd generously shared with him, in the plain of Acre, reflected that the white bread of his northern homeland and the roasted wheat ears symbolized the difference between the two civilizations' Had he known that Mukaddasi boasted in the tenth century of the excellence Of Palestine's white bread he might have been still more impressed by the low estate to which the country had fallen in seven hundred years.... Hasselquist joined a party of four thousand pilgrims who went to Jericho under an escort of three hundred soldiers. He estimated that four thousand Christians, mostly of the eastern rites, entered Jaffa each year, and as many Jews. The Armenian Convent in Jerusalem alone could accommodate a thousand persons. The botanist viewed the pilgrim tolls as the best resource of an uncultivated and uninhabited country. . ~ . Ramleh was a ruin." (Emphasis added.) De Haas, History, pp. 349, 358, 360, citing Frederich Hasselquist, Reise nach Palastina, etc., 1749-1752, pp. 139, 145-146, 190.

7. Norman Lewis, "The Frontier of Settlement in Syria, 1800-19 50," in Charles Issawi, ed., The Economic History of the Middle East (Chicago, 1966), p. 260.

8. Count Constantine F. Volney, Travels Through Syria and Egypt in the Years 1783, 1784, 1785 (London, 1788), Vol. 2, p. 147. According to Volney, ". . . we with difficulty recognize Jerusalem.... remote from every road, it seems neither to have been calculated for a considerable mart of commerce, nor the centre of a great consumption.... [the population] is supposed to amount to twelve to fourteen thousand.... The second place deserving notice, is Bait-el-labm, or Bethlehem, ... The soil is the best in all these districts ... but as is the case everywhere else, cultivation is wanting. They reckon about six hundred men in this village capable Of bearing arms.... The third and last place of note is Habroun, or Hebron, the most powerful village in all this quarter, and able to arm eight or nine hundred men . . ." (pp. 303-325).

9. Volney, Travels, Vol. 2, p. 431.

10. A. Keith, The Land of Israel (Edinburgh, 1843), p. 465. "The population (viz., of the whole of Syria), rated by Volney at two million and a half, is now estimated at half that amount."

11. J.S. Buckingham, Travels in Palestine (London, 1821), p. 146. 

12. Ibid., p. 162.

13. James Mangles and the Honorable C.L. Irby, Travels in Egypt and Nubia (London, 1823), p. 295.

14. Brockhaus, Alig. deutsch Real-Encyklopaedie, 7th ed. (Leipzig, 1827), Vol. VIII, p. 206.

15. S. Olin, Travels in Egypt, Arabia Petraea and the Holy Land (New York, 1843), Vol. 2, pp. 438-439.

16. Ibid., pp. 77-78.

17. No. 238, "Report of the Commerce of Jerusalem During the Year 1863," F.O. 195/808, May 1864. ". . . The population of the City of Jerusalem is computed at 15,000, of whom about 4,500 Moslem, 8,000 Jews, and the rest Christians of various denominations. . ." From A.H. Hyamson, ed., The British Consulate in Jerusalem, 2 vols. (London, 1939-1941), Vol. 2, p. 331.

18. James Finn to the Earl of Clarendon, Jerusalem, September 15, 1857, F.O. 78/1294 (Pol. No. 36). Finn wrote further that "The result of my observations is, that we have here Jews, who have been to the United States, but have returned to their Holy Land -Jews of Jerusalem do go to Australia and instead of remaining there, do return hither, even without the allurements of agriculture and its concomitants." Ibid., 1, pp. 249-52.

19. J.B. Forsyth, A Few Months in the East (Quebec, 1861), p. 188. 

20. H.B. Tristram, The Land of1sraek A Journal of Travels in Palestine (London, 1865), p. 490.

21. Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, pp. 349, 366, 367. 

22. Ibid., p. 349.

23. Ibid., p. 429.

24. Ibid., p. 366, 375.

25. Ibid., pp. 441-442.

26. Ibid.

27. Jules Hoche, Les Pays des croisades (Paris, n.d.), p. 10, cited by David Landes, "Palestine Before the Zionists," Commentary, Feb., 1976, p. 49. 

28. Brother Lievin de Hamme, Guide indicateur, Vol. Ill, pp. 163, 190.

29. The Reverend Samuel Manning, Those Holy Fields (London, 1874), pp. 14-17. W.M. Thomson reiterated the Reverend Manning's observations: "How melancholy is this utter desolation! Not a house, not a trace of inhabitants, not even shepherds, seen everywhere else, appear to relieve the dull monotony.... Isaiah says that Sharon shall be wilderness, and the prediction has become a sad and impressive reality." Thomson, The Land and the Book (London: T. Nelsons & Sons, 1866), p. 506ff.

30. W.C. Prime, Tent Life in the Holy Land (New York, 1857), p. 240, cited by Fred Gottheil, "The Population of Palestine, Circa 1875," Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. 15, no. 3, October 1979.

31. S.C. Bartlett, From Egypt to Palestine (New York, 1879), p. 409, cited in ibid.

32. Ibid., p. 410.

33. W. Allen, The Dead Sea: A New Route to India (London, 1855), p. 113, cited in ibid. 62), p. 466,

34. W.M. Thomson, The Land and the Book (New York: Harper Bros., 18 cited in ibid.

35. E.L. Wilson, In Scripture Lands (New York, n.d.), p. 316, cited in ibid.

36. Colonel C.R. Conder, Heth and Moab (London, 1883), pp. 380, 376.

37. ibid., p. 366.

38. Pierre Loti, La Galilee (Paris, 1895), pp. 37-41, 69, 85-86, 69, cited by David Landes, "Palestine Before the Zionists," Commentary, February 1976, pp. 48-49.

39. Landes, "Palestine," p. 49.

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To: Goblins
Iran is not an Arab nation. Many Jews lived there until Ayatollah Koumeni came in. Many live there even now while Iraq Syria etc. kicked out all their Jews.

NOW, what do you have to say about the 800,000 Jews evicted from Arab Muslim nations? Israel took in 600,000 of them. 

43% of Israelis are THESE VERY SAME JEWS who were booted from Arab nations. Now they live free in Israel instead of as second class dhimmi under the brutal Arabs.

41 posted on 01/09/2002 6:28:18 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw;sabertooth;deckthehallsholly;rdww;straightvermonter;arthurus;knarf
No one doubts for an instant that Palestine as the 19th Century Zionists found it, was an underpopulated, undeveloped, largely pestilential backwater of the Ottoman Empire. However, to be fair there were ancient commercial centers. and a few zones of intense agriculture.

The "mistake" that was made then, and has compounded itself over the past 120 years is that no resettlement plan was made for the few people whom those early Zionists found on the land. They now have increased in number from just a few hundred thousand, to the millions who have somehow discovered that they are a "state" and named themselves the "Palestinians" of today.

Few in the West doubt the Biblical validity of the Israeli claim to their homeland, or the historical absurdity of the 'Palestinian' claim to statehood. But, boil the rhetoric and the religion off the case: most of the descendants of those miserable few people who were on the land, have yet to be resettled somewhere else. IMHO, that has to happen before there is going to be peace.

I once had proposed massive reparations and subsidized homesteading elsewhere in Islam. Arthurus wisely suggested that we call it "Eminent Domain," and get the Palestinians out with compensation in much the same way the state of Ohio is taking 15 acres from me, and more from my neighbors, as we speak. I and my neighbors are not happy with the amount, and neither is the state, but we have had our day in court and it's a done deal. On with life. The law says it's not mine anymore. Period.

Yes, Israel has the Bible on its side. But why not take a truly Solomonic initiative? Couple the Bible with the undoubted force of the IDF and the Law. Get some cash on the table, with some deeds to homesteads elsewhere in the Islamic world, and the promise of endless development money. Handle the 'Palestinian' Problem before their phenomenal birthrate compounds it again.

I think it's worth thinking about for after Arafat. BTW, this is idea has some proponents in Israel, where private investors are buying Arab properties, including a very decent resettlement bonus, and legal help in getting out of Israel. (In the program of which I have some knowledge, the resettlement is to the USA. For some reason, I prefer Northeastern Iraq!)

42 posted on 01/09/2002 6:29:21 AM PST by Francohio
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To: Magician
You are correct on South Africa too! Both Israel and South Africa were way underpopulated. Unproductive compared to what could be done with the land.
43 posted on 01/09/2002 6:30:33 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
I think any jews forced from arab nations and their children should have the right to return and am prepared to say so. I also beleive the same is true for arabs forced from jewish nations.
44 posted on 01/09/2002 6:31:24 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Sabertooth
Bump!
45 posted on 01/09/2002 6:33:20 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Goblins
Hhahahha....

What's done is done. No Jew is stupid enough to want to return to live in such places as Iraq or Syria. To live under the cruel thumb of Muslim tyrants and you can go ask the Kurds on this one. Give these evicted Jews compensation.

Give the Pallies compensation. And then you have something that might fly. I can tell that until this very day you were oblivious to the 800,000 Jews driven from Arab the lands.

46 posted on 01/09/2002 6:37:24 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Dennis, stop fulminating and start cogitating. The problem is that no matter how unfashionable and inconvenient the 'Palestinians' may be, they have to agree to be put on the reservation. Completely unreasonable and violent bastards they may be, but they are what we have to work with.

This is not a unique historical situation. It (resettlement) has all been seen before. But before it can happen, at least one team has to be thinking straight.

47 posted on 01/09/2002 6:42:10 AM PST by Francohio
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To: dennisw
43% of Israelis are THESE VERY SAME JEWS who were booted from Arab nations.

To be honest some of them weren't booted out of quite a few arab nations however they were treated terribly. Citizenship was removed, property confiscated, but they weren't booted out they left, some even having to remove themselves secretly otherwise the nations involved would keep them there as lower class citizen. It was and is truly appalling. Unfortunately the state of Israel likes to treat arabs the same way, and I am just as appalled. Unfortunately for the palestinian arabs God hasn't seen fit to give then a homeland of their own that they can make a break for so they will just have to make a stand where they are, I suppose....

48 posted on 01/09/2002 6:42:26 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Francohio
The problem is that no matter how unfashionable and inconvenient the 'Palestinians' may be, they have to agree to be put on the reservation.

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Good luck on getting them to agree to anything. War and turmoil are in their blood.

49 posted on 01/09/2002 6:46:10 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
War and turmoil are in their blood.

Wouldn't be out of place in Mein Kampf now would it?

50 posted on 01/09/2002 6:49:45 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Goblins
So let me get this straight--->

These 800,000 Jews were not driven out from Muslim Arab nations and by force made into refugees.
While the Palestinians were driven from Israel.
Is this your logic for today?

I only need to see how Muslims have driven Christians out of Kosovo and  Lebanon. How Hindus were driven out of Bangladesh with 1,000,000 killed (1972) to know what really goes on when Muslims eject people from places they have lived in for centuries.

51 posted on 01/09/2002 6:53:30 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Goblins
You are the second one on this thread to throw in your favorite nazi buzzword. This is how liberals and college boys like to argue.
52 posted on 01/09/2002 6:55:13 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Francohio
I'm not sure why you feel that the Palestinians need to be relocated. There have been Arab Israelis since the country was founded. Indeed there are Arab members of the Knesset. Why not just live together with the Jewish poluation in a multiethnic country? Israel's own statement on Arabs living in Israel:

Arab Israelis are citizens of the Israel with equal rights. In 1948, Israel's Declaration of Independence called upon the Arab inhabitants of Israel to "participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions".

The political involvement of the Arab sector is manifested through both national and municipal elections. Arab citizens run the political and administrative affairs of their own municipalities and advance Arab interests through their elected representatives in the Knesset, Israel's parliament. Arab Israelis have also held various government positions, including that of deputy minister. At present a member of the Druze community is serving as a government minister.

The Declaration also promises that Israel will "ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex" and guarantees "freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture".

Israel has extensive anti-discrimination laws. Moreover, since the founding of the State, the status of Arab Israeli women has been significantly improved by legislation stipulating equal rights for women and prohibition of polygamy and child marriage. Israel remains one of the few countries in the Middle East where women enjoy equality in rights and personal freedoms, including the right to vote and be elected to local and national office.

The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). This exemption was made out of consideration for their family, religious and cultural affiliations with the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world, given the on-going conflict. Still, volunteer military service is encouraged and IDF service was made mandatory for Druze and Circassian men at the request of their community leaders.


53 posted on 01/09/2002 6:55:41 AM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the heads up!
54 posted on 01/09/2002 6:57:54 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Goblins
Unfortunately for the palestinian arabs God hasn't seen fit to give then a homeland of their own that they can make a break....

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Oh yeah that holy grail of a Palestinian homeland. That is sure to solve all their problems. For sure. Most people bet that any Pallie homeland just becomes an Afghanistan style terrorist base to make better Muslim Jihad against the Jews of Israel.

55 posted on 01/09/2002 6:58:31 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Goblins
Well of course they do. My point was there was really no talk of a Palestinian nation before 1967. The westbank was rulrd by Jordon. the Gaza strip by Egypt. On 6/10/67 the arab world discovered that there needed to be a Palestinian nation. Why didn't Jordon and Egypt set one up when they controled the westbank and/or the gaza strip?
56 posted on 01/09/2002 7:01:17 AM PST by Valin
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To: Goblins
When it comes to the sensitive topic of profiling, Muslims, historically, were innovators in their own right. The Nazis were not the originators of the yellow cloth with which they tagged Jews. The odious tagging rag has its origins in the laws of the Charter of Omar – a set of vicious anti-infidel rules that were applied to Jews with extra vim. These laws were introduced by the caliph who succeeded the prophet Mohammed.

Prior to the prophet, Jews and Arabs did indeed live in relative harmony, but when Mohammed failed to convert the Jews to Islam, our proselytizing prophet of peace exterminated at least one Jewish tribe, etched the Holy Koran with anti-Jewish vitriol, and launched centuries of brutality against Jews. Arabs also preceded the Nazis by centuries with that dubious dwelling demarcator, the Jewish ghetto, known in Arabic as the hara or mella.

Following the Arab conquest in the 7th century, Jewish life in the Islamic world became fraught with massacres, blood libel and plunder. Synagogues were regularly torn down, and Jews were impelled to pay special head and property taxes. Meticulously sourced authoritative accounts of Jewish travails over the centuries under Islam are detailed in Joan Peters' seminal work, "From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict Over Palestine." These reveal a population subject to the whim of the particular Muslim ruler, and the degree to which he was committed to implementing the anti-infidel laws of the Holy Koran and the Charter of Omar. Under Islamic religious law, for instance, if a Muslim murdered an infidel, he was liable only for a fine. But even this "blood money" was rarely forthcoming, because the testimony of an infidel was invalid against a Muslim.

In the land that was once Babylonia, the Jews of Iraq weathered the grim vicissitude of a daily life bereft of rights and filled with indignities. Some particularly murderous landmarks stand out: the A.D. 1000 expropriation of Jewish property, the 1333 destruction of their synagogues, and the 1776 Basra slaughter, leading up to mob killings in 1941, and numerous public-square hangings between 1969 and 1973.

The chronicles of Jewish life over the centuries in Aden, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Syria and Libya are similarly marred. As one 19th-century observer recounted, the ancient community of Yemenite Jews was "in a position of inferiority, and is oppressed by a people which declares itself holy and pious but which is very brutal, barbarous and hard-hearted." Of particular note is the murder in 1032 of thousands of Jews in Fez, Morocco, followed, in 1146, by the Almohad atrocities in which hundreds of thousands of Jews and Christians were massacred by the Muslim Almohads.

As Palestinian and Arab propaganda would have it, the Muslim's hate for the Jew is a contemporary phenomenon, caused entirely by the tiny "Zionist state." While the contempt for the dhimmi, as the Jew was derogatorily termed, has morphed over the years – drawing on "traditional Koranic slurs," as well as gathering vintage Nazi debris along the way – the hate boasts a pure Islamic pedigree.

"In 1940, the mufti (a kind of rabbi) of Jerusalem wrote to the Axis powers requesting the right of the Arabs to settle the question of the Jews along similar lines to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy." Egyptian Minister Anwar Sadat's touch was somewhat comical. In 1950, Sadat, who may have confused Hitler for Houdini, published an open "Dear Adolph" letter, commending Hitler for "saving the world from this malignant evil."

The kind of warning to the Syrian public in 1964 by a "scholar" from the University of Damascus, to refrain from "letting your children out at night, lest the Jew come and take their blood for the purpose of making matzot for Passover," is still very much within the realm of respected political and intellectual discourse throughout the Arab world. (Incidentally, my mother's matzo balls are nowhere near that labor intensive.) A czarist canard and fraud like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" has been adopted as Arab lore. Last year, U.N.-funded Muslim pamphleteers handed out "The Protocols" at the "anti-racist" conference in Durban. The charge that Jews are taking over the world joins the deicide charge, and the denial – and justification – of the Holocaust, among Saudis, Egyptians, Palestinian … you name it.

Before Arab leaders realized they had won the propaganda war and could relax, they had frenetically and cunningly been extending specious invites for Arab Jews to return to their homelands. You see, the 1.5 million Jewish refugees from Arab lands could have become a considerable obstacle to the Palestinian propaganda machine had Israel been as conniving as her enemies. Imagine the kind of trump card Israel could have wielded had she, like her uncivilized neighbors, kept these legitimate Jewish refugees in camps, refused to settle them, fomented hate among them for the Arab, and turned the fugitives into political pawns – as Arab nations have so masterfully done to their so-called refugees.

In 1976, these Jewish refugees, represented by the American Sephardi Federation, responded to the wickedly cynical invites with a full-page advertisement in the New York Times. The ad entailed a news service photo that showed a mob of Iraqi onlookers surrounding two bodies suspended from a scaffold. The dangling bodies were those of Sabam Haim, and David Hazaquil, both Jews, hung in Baghdad.

Beneath the photograph the organization responded: "INVITATION DECLINED."

The rest is history. The barbarians, I'm afraid, prevailed.

57 posted on 01/09/2002 7:01:27 AM PST by dennisw
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58 posted on 01/09/2002 7:02:28 AM PST by Straight Vermonter
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Unfortunately for the palestinian arabs God hasn't seen fit to give then a homeland of their own that they can make a break for so they will just have to make a stand where they are, I suppose....

Perhaps not! I have good news for you...

Though God didn't, the British did give the so-called "Palestinians" a homeland, when they gave them 2/3 of the territory formerly known as "Transjordan," in 1922. The name of that country?

Jordan!

And like "Palestine," "Jordan" is another historical fiction. Prior to 1922, there was never a nation of Jordan.

Nonetheless, there you have your solution, already in place. The "Palestinian" homeland of Jordan, based on the expedience of historical fiction, and the reborn nation of Israel.

I'm glad we've been able to work this out.


59 posted on 01/09/2002 7:05:22 AM PST by Sabertooth
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Unfortunately for the palestinian arabs God hasn't seen fit to give then a homeland of their own that they can make a break for so they will just have to make a stand where they are, I suppose....

Perhaps not! I have good news for you...

Though God didn't, the British did give the so-called "Palestinians" a homeland, when they gave them 2/3 of the territory formerly known as "Transjordan," in 1922. The name of that country?

Jordan!

And like "Palestine," "Jordan" is another historical fiction. Prior to 1922, there was never a nation of Jordan.

Nonetheless, there you have your solution, already in place. The "Palestinian" homeland of Jordan, based on the expedience of historical fiction, and the reborn nation of Israel.

I'm glad we've been able to work this out.


60 posted on 01/09/2002 7:07:08 AM PST by Sabertooth
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