Posted on 01/16/2002 10:37:35 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
6 Shot at a Grundy, Virgina School. Details to follow after the Ashcroft press conference
I'm so convinced of this. I am posting same message to the threads on this. Sorry if I'm beating you over the head with it."
Wow...the Left really HAS LOST IT!!
SHEEEESH...MUD
No they have most of the same constitutional protections as others. However, not if the action takes place outside the country, thus the tribunals are allowed in such cases, but in this case he'll get the full protection accorded to other persons or to the members of the group "the people". If he had been outside the country, then he wouldn't be considered a member of "the people" and would thus not have those rights.
yesterday, on MLK's birthday, a school shooting occurred at MLK Jr high school in new york. How curious.
i saw a show where jesse jackson talked about how some foundation helped fund schools. he talked about how they even helped schools in appalachia. implying that he views no colour line in this foundation or whatever it is.
then today, a mass shooting, in appalachia at a Law School.
is there a connection?
have the Right Wing Extremists teamed up with the CIA's Black Ops boys to combine spreading fear and panic with the deliberate terrorizing of progressive and liberal culture?
remember to look for links in all these seemingly random events.
keep an eye on the Justice Dept. I fear that with white supremacist sympathizers sitting in the catbird seat, this angle may be delibirately avoided.
tim mcveigh's buddies may be operating with near impunity, what with the "Law" and the public concentrating exclusively on Middle easterners. Taking advantage of the situation, as it were.
more...
All the signs are there. Grundy is right near the border of VA, WV and KY. The far right terrorists in this country love border regions because they can quickly escape into adjacent jurisdictions. The targets were standard for the far right -- elites (Harvard grads, law professors, liberals) engaged in promoting law for the noncontributing poor. Faculty included people from Howard University, so presumably it was fairly integrated. And they were talking about getting lawyers into the coal fields -- unions. All the hallmarks are there. This is the far right.
Control your laughter, it gets better...
until you research the history of how the CIA black ops boys worked in the past (sidney gotlieb)with mkUltra etc. I understand why you'd be upset.
sure it's speculation. but these guys work in the shadows, the direct links to this poor guy will be obfuscated - his handlers could have started psy-opping him back in nigeria.
i remember seeing a 'christian' revivalist mass meeting there with this wacko televangelist from Germany (can't remember name) - lots of psy-opping, moonie-brainwashing, fertile ground there.
remember, in a totalitarian state, it's what they DON'T tell you that matters in the search for the truth.
the devil is in the details.
Wait...Dopey has something to add!
I haven't seen/heard the story you reference about this Nigerian student so I can't comment on that. Nevertheless, this is still highly suspicious. It has all the earmarks of far right terrorism in this country. And if it is a Nigerian student who was depressed and on the edge, I'd still want to know who he was listening to in that region. These "fringe personalities" are exactly who the far right targets, people whose thought processes are already clouded, who can be easily influenced towards their way of thinking. In general, I would admit that a Nigerian wouldn't seem a likely recruit. But, on the other hand, these kinds of attacks almost always result in the death of the gunman -- and, believe me, the far right wouldn't care if a Nigerian got himself killed while taking out a couple of liberal law professors and students. (Rather interesting that he didn't kill himself also, isn't it? I'm not suggesting anything by that except that it is interesting.)
I am a moderate conspiracy theorist only -- and that primarily because I do not believe in coincidence. But I began studying the far right in this country in the early 80s during the heyday of Aryan Nations, Posse Commitatus, the Order, the Covenant, Sword & Arm of the Lord, etc. And I know their patterns and their targets of choice.
If there isn't a far right hand involved in all of this, it's one hell of a coincidence -- and, as I said, personally I don't believe in them.
Whole lotta stupid under them Mao caps.
A clintonite?
That's easy. The recoil mechanism loads a fresh round, but does not cock the hammer (or striker in the case of the Glock and others) The hammer is only cocked by the pulling of the trigger or in some cases manually. Whereas on a conventional double action the hammer is cocked by the recoil/gas mechanism, but can also be cocked manually or by the trigger. In a single action, the hammer is cocked by the recoil mechanism and the trigger is only used to release the hammer after it is cocked, thus firing the weapon. Similarly in a double action revolver the trigger both cocks the hammer and rotates the cylinder. In a single action revolver the hammer must be cocked manually for each shot and as with the single action semi-auto, the trigger is only used to release the hammer to fire the weapon.
Interesting. Why check my membership date?
January 16, 2002 3:52 pm EST
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three people, including the dean, were killed on Wednesday in a shooting at a law school in southwestern Virginia, authorities said.
"Among the three people who were killed the dean of the law school Anthony Sutton is among them," a spokeswoman for the Virginia governor's office told CNN.
She said three other people were critically injured in the shooting.
The gunman was tackled by students and was now in police custody, she said.
The incident at the law school in the town of Grundy, in southwestern Virginia, came just a day after a shooting at a school in New York that injured two people. Alicia O'Quin, a special assistant to the president of the Appalachian School of Law, said a male student had apparently entered a student lounge area on the campus at about 1 p.m. EST and opened fire.
She said it was unclear how many people were in the lounge at the time of the shooting.
"All the details are sketchy at the moment. We are still trying to find out exactly what happened," she said.
Police and ambulances rushed to the scene and she said the campus was being evacuated. A trauma team had arrived to counsel students and a command center had been set up in the law library.
"Nothing like this has ever happened before, either here or even in this county. It's usually a very quiet campus, very intimate," said O'Quin, adding that there were only about 240 students on the campus.
(Filed: 16/01/2002)
London Telegraph
A GUNMAN killed three people and wounded three others when he opened fire at a school in Virginia, USA.
The Dean, Anthony Sutin, a teacher and a student were killed at the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy. Three others are said to be critical. According to State police, other students managed to overpower the gunman.
The three injured, all students, were taken to Buchanan General Hospital. The weapon was a semi-automatic handgun.
Staff say a male student had entered a lounge area on the campus and opened fire without warning. Initial reports suggest that he may have been a foreign-born student who was upset about his poor exam marks.
By KYW's Amy Kaplan
January 16, 2002
Lower Merion police say a man killed four members of his family before turning the gun on himself in an Ardmore home.
Police superintendent Joseph Daley says officers were called to West Spring Avenue near Ardmore Avenue shortly before 6 o'clock Tuesday evening:
"The initial officers who responded started to set up a perimeter around the house to see what they could find by looking in the windows. The officers looked in the backyard and found a person laying in the backyard who suffered from multiple gunshot wounds."
Daley says the wounded man died a short time later and told police his son-in-law had gone on a shooting rampage. Upon entering the home, investigators found four more dead.
Authorities believe the gunman, Michael Burgess, shot both of his in-laws (James and Juanita Watkins), his wife (45-year-old Sandra Watkins) and her young daughter (14-year-old Alexandra "Alice" Wake, in photo) before turning the gun on himself.
KYW's Jay Lloyd reports that, according to sources, there was a marital dispute that had been going on for a period of time, with Michael Burgess suffering from untreated depression and becoming angry at his wife over a perceived problem in their relationship -- a problem that became a fixation.
Only recently, police were called to a nearby church to find Burgess involved in an argument and then shortly afterward they were again called for a domestic disturbance at his Spring Avenue home. But sources say those were the first and only contacts that police have had with him.
http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=18465
January 16, 2002
GRUNDY, Va. (AP) -- A law school student upset about his grades went on a shooting spree Wednesday, killing three people and critically wounding three others before he was wrestled to the ground by students, officials said.
The victims included the dean of the Appalachian School of Law and a professor who were gunned down in their offices. The third person slain was a student, said Ellen Qualls, a spokeswoman for Gov. Mark Warner.
"When I got there there were bodies laying everywhere," said Dr. Jack Briggs, who has a private practice a half-mile from the school in this tiny western Virginia community.
Briggs said he had treated the suspect in the past year. He described the gunman as a Nigerian in his early 40s who had flunked out last year and been allowed to return. "I think they were getting ready to tell him that he had not made the grade this year," Briggs said.
Dean L. Anthony Sutin and the professor were "executed" in their offices, Briggs said. He said the gunman then went downstairs into a common area and opened fire on a crowd of students, killing one and wounding three others. He was tackled by four male students as he left the building. "They just wanted the guy," Briggs said. "They weren't worried about their own personal safety."
Other details were not immediately available, but Qualls said the weapon used was a .380-caliber semiautomatic handgun. The three wounded students were taken to Buchanan General Hospital, Qualls said. The governor said they were in critical condition.
"We knew before we heard there was a shooting that something was wrong," said Tiffany Street, who works at a nearby motel. "There were fire trucks, ambulances, state police and cops all heading toward the school. "I've never seen anything like this," said Street, 20. "Grundy's a very small town, and I've been here all my life."
The private law school has an enrollment of about 170 students. The governor, who had served on the school's board until he took office last week, said he was shocked and saddened by the shooting. "I commend the students who acted swiftly to apprehend the suspect, who is now in custody," Warner said. "My heart goes out to the school and the community. I know that such a close-knit community will feel such a tragedy especially deeply."
Sutin, a 1984 graduate of Harvard Law School, was also an associate professor at the school. He left the Justice Department to found the school after working for the Democratic National Committee and Bill Clinton's campaign in 1992, according to the Web site of Jurist, the Legal Education Network.
The school opened five years ago in a renovated junior high school in Grundy, a town of about 1,100 just a few miles south of the Kentucky and West Virginia state lines. School founders hope to ease a shortage of lawyers in the coalfields of southwest Virginia, help change the region's image and foster renewal in Appalachia. The American Bar Association rejected the school's first application for accreditation in 1999. The school graduated its first class of 34 in 2000.
There are about 15 faculty members, including alumni of law schools at the University of California at Berkeley and Columbia, Harvard and Howard universities. "You read about it in other areas, but when it comes home it really hurts," said state Del. Jackie Stump of Grundy, fighting back tears as he hung his head and walked away from a news conference in Richmond.
Nope. .380 is an auto pistol round, rimless case. It's also called 9mm kurtz (short). I've never seen a .380 revolver, but there may be such an animule. Every .380 I've ever seen was an auto or semiauto.
Right you are! That thought deserves repeating. This seems to be a principle of Liberalism, which is like any other voracious parasite.
If there were only some way of keeping these people restricted to the areas they have already trashed, America could get on with the business of being America. Then the rest of us would not have to contend with the usual problems without having to contend with the imported whining, socialist cesspool.
I escaped New York and Detroit once, already. I don't want to have to flee them over and over again. But, it looks like it may have to happen within the next few years (the problem you cite continues unabated).
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3 dead, 3 wounded in shooting at law school
January 16, 2002 Posted: 5:00 PM EST (2200 GMT)
CNN
Appalachian Law School Dean L. Anthony Sutin was among those killed.
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GRUNDY, Virginia (CNN) -- A gunman who opened fire Wednesday at a law school in southwestern Virginia, leaving three people dead and three others wounded, was described as "a time bomb" by a local doctor who recently treated him for stress.
One of those killed was the dean of Appalachian School of Law, L. Anthony Sutin, a former acting assistant U.S. attorney general.
Killed along with Sutin were another faculty member and a student, said Ellen Qualls, press secretary for Gov. Mark Warner.
Powder burns on the dean and the professor indicated they were shot at point blank range by the suspected gunman, said Dr. Jack Briggs, a coroner for Buchanan County.
"The dean of the law school had been executed in his office and a professor had been executed in his office," said Briggs. "The man then came down the stairs -- before we got there -- and shot four students."
Students apparently tackled the suspected gunman after he opened fire with a .38-caliber automatic handgun, Qualls said.
He is now in state police custody, Briggs said.
"The student who did this was a foreign student who had difficulty during his first year and had flunked out," said Briggs.
Apparently, the student was again flunking and the faculty was on the verge of kicking him out of school, Briggs said.
Briggs, who is a physician, said he had treated this student for stress about six months ago.
"I had no idea that it would affect him this way, however. He was a time bomb waiting to go off," Briggs said.
The three wounded students were taken to Buchanan General Hospital and later transferred to other hospitals for treatment.
All three wounded students are women, said Tim Baylor, spokesman for Wellmont Health System. Two of them were in surgery and the third was in fair condition, he said.
One student was shot in the chest. Two others suffered gunshot wounds to the back and abdomen, Briggs said.
The law school, with an enrollment of about 170 students, opened in 1997 in a renovated junior high school in this small town 120 miles west of Roanoke, according to The Associated Press.
It has been granted provisional accreditation by the American Bar Association, according to the school's Web site.
The school was opened with the hope of easing a historic shortage of lawyers in the coalfields of southwest Virginia, as well as help change the region's image and foster renewal in Appalachia. It graduated its first class of 34 in 2000.
Part of the Appalachian School of Law School campus The school has about 15 faculty members, including alumni of law schools at the University of California at Berkeley and Columbia, Harvard and Howard universities.
Sutin had a prestigious law career, serving as acting general counsel for the Democratic Party and a lawyer for the 1992 presidential campaign of Bill Clinton.
He also held various positions in the U.S. Department of Justice, where he was appointed acting assistant attorney general for legislative affairs by then-U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno.
Warner, who was expected to resign his membership on the law school's board Wednesday night at a board meeting in Richmond, expressed sympathy for the families of the victims.
"We deplore this senseless act of violence," the governor said at a news conference.
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