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Georgia Crematory Operator Arrested Again
Reuters | 2/18/02

Posted on 02/18/2002 12:43:43 PM PST by kattracks

NOBLE, Ga. (Reuters) - The owner of a Georgia crematory where more than 100 unburied bodies were found stacked like firewood in storage sheds and abandoned in the nearby woods has been arrested and jailed for a second time, authorities said on Monday.

Ray Brent Marsh, who runs the Tri-State Crematory in the rural northwest Georgia town of Noble, was charged with 11 counts of theft by deception for allegedly taking payment for cremations that were never performed, said John Bankhead, a spokesman for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

The charges were in addition to the five counts of theft that Marsh, 28, was charged with Saturday when he was first arrested following an initial search of the sprawling 16-acre crematory grounds.

Marsh, who originally told investigators the crematory's incinerator had not been working, was released Sunday after posting a $25,000 bond. He was scheduled to appear in court in a second bond hearing on Monday afternoon.

The new arrest came as state and local police intensified their search for human remains at the Tri-State Crematory, located about 85 miles northwest of Atlanta.

Bankhead said 118 unburied bodies in varying states of decomposition had been discovered on the grounds of the crematory, but added that investigators expected the final count to be closer to 300.

Police expect to find more bodies when they open a number of crematory vaults. One vault opened on Sunday contained more than 20 bodies. There are also plans to dredge a lake near the crematory as part of the search.

A makeshift morgue has been set up at the crematory and medical examiners have positively identified 21 of the bodies, but their efforts have been stymied by the poor condition of some of the remains, which may date back as far as 20 years.

Walker County Sheriff Steve Wilson said authorities were asking relatives of those who had been sent to the crematory to provide dental records and other information that might help in the identification process.

'DEVASTATING FOR THE FAMILIES'

The Tri-State Crematory has been in business for about 30 years and routinely received bodies from funeral homes in Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee. Marsh has run the business since taking over from his father in the 1990s.

Police suspect the crematory may have foregoing cremations for years and passing off wood chips and other substances as ashes to grieving relatives throughout the region.

Some of those same relatives now gather daily at a local civic center to learn the true fate of their loved ones. Many carry the urns that they once thought held the ashes of a deceased family member.

"It's devastating for the families who recently lost loved ones and also for those who thought everything was taken care of years ago," said Lisa Ray, a spokeswoman for the Georgia Emergency Management Agency, which is providing grief counselors to the family members.

Ray added that health officials were testing water samples in the area to ensure that there had been no contamination from the decomposing remains. Georgia Gov. Roy Barnes has declared a state of emergency in the county, enabling it to receive funding for the cleanup.

Police started investigating the crematory, which is located on land surrounding a residential neighborhood, after an area resident reported finding a human skull late last week in the surrounding woods.

The discovery of the corpses at the crematory came just months after a funeral company was accused in a Florida lawsuit of digging up bodies and dumping them in the woods to make room for new burials.


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1 posted on 02/18/2002 12:43:43 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Georgia Crematory Operator Arrested Again

Good, he's a scumbag.

2 posted on 02/18/2002 12:48:57 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: kattracks
" ... plans to dredge a lake ... "

Uh, maybe they should send divers down first to spot the obvious remains and recover them relatively intact. Dredging will scatter and mix everything.

3 posted on 02/18/2002 12:48:59 PM PST by AngrySpud
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To: kattracks
This is bloody awful!

That said, it's too bad that we don't share the Klingon philosophy regarding mortal remains. It would save a lot of anguish.

4 posted on 02/18/2002 12:49:08 PM PST by Illbay
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To: kattracks
If crematoriums operate anything like regular funeral homes, the victims are probably mostly black. Black-owned funeral homes usually have an almost exclusively black clientele. This is a black owned crematorium, and I think it is so sick, sick, sick to defraud people, especially in this cruel manner.

I hope the victims sue him up the wazoo for their mental anguish.

5 posted on 02/18/2002 12:56:46 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: Illbay
Gad! Are we never to be free of Trekkies? Geekville!! ;)
6 posted on 02/18/2002 12:59:41 PM PST by snowfox
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To: Illbay
...it's too bad that we don't share the Klingon philosophy regarding mortal remains.

You had to drag the Klingons into this, didn't you?! :)

7 posted on 02/18/2002 1:01:24 PM PST by Orangedog
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To: kattracks
I posted it first about 3 days ago here ---> Click "HERE" for the first article

It was due an update, thanks for making it more current KAT.

Smile Low Oil

8 posted on 02/18/2002 1:04:18 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: snowfox
Gad! Are we never to be free of Trekkies? Geekville!! ;)

I think the funniest Saturday Night Live I ever saw was the one where Shatner is addressing a Star Trek convention and tells the audience "For God's sake, move out of your parents basements and get a life! You've turned an enjoyable little job I had for a few years into a complete waste of time!"

9 posted on 02/18/2002 1:05:56 PM PST by Orangedog
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To: wimpycat
If crematoriums operate anything like regular funeral homes, the victims are probably mostly black. Black-owned funeral homes usually have an almost exclusively black clientele.

Actually funeral homes often subcontracted this work out due to the high costs of building ones own crematoriums. It was one of the first in the area and had a mostly white cliental. I now know of three white people in my area that used this service. They are very angry now. I am about 55 miles away.

10 posted on 02/18/2002 1:07:51 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Orangedog
Yes, I saw that one. I am a recovering Trekkie myself. Voyager made me go sober.

And get a life
11 posted on 02/18/2002 1:09:31 PM PST by snowfox
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To: Lowelljr
Well actually I knew people who's relatives that passed away that used the service.
12 posted on 02/18/2002 1:10:11 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Lowelljr
I am about 55 miles away.

OK, obvious, if tasteless, question: What is the smell like around there? And, have you ever seen Poltergiest?
13 posted on 02/18/2002 1:12:01 PM PST by snowfox
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To: Illbay
That said, it's too bad that we don't share the Klingon philosophy regarding mortal remains. It would save a lot of anguish.

Ok. I'll admit it. You piqued my curiosity. Any chance you might enlighten us non-trekkies?

14 posted on 02/18/2002 1:13:31 PM PST by ozidar
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To: snowfox
What is the smell like around there?

I am sure in that business they have ways to control smell. It looks like to me, he used the sheds to dry out the bodies, thus the smell first before he strew them across the woods. He had an assembly line method in a sick way.

15 posted on 02/18/2002 1:16:01 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Lowelljr
Thanks for the correction. Actually it makes no difference what race anyone involved is. I was just thinking about how most fraud and other crimes are intra-racial, not inter-racial. I hope your neighbors throw everything but the kitchen sink at this loser.
16 posted on 02/18/2002 1:17:14 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: Lowelljr
A business in New York that did that put lime on the bodies to keep them from smelling up the place. (Bodies stacked five deep in spots..) But that was a mortuary...
17 posted on 02/18/2002 1:19:00 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: kattracks
I wonder if Congress will want to hold hearings on this. The fraud of Marsh might be another reason to support campaign finance reform.
18 posted on 02/18/2002 1:19:43 PM PST by Fast 1975
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To: ozidar
Ok. I'll admit it. You piqued my curiosity. Any chance you might enlighten us non-trekkies?

For the love of God, please don't entice the trekkies! I've seen a thread on traffic laws that mutated into an argument over how old was Spock when he joined star fleet.

20 posted on 02/18/2002 1:23:34 PM PST by Orangedog
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To: Darksheare
A business in New York that did that put lime on the bodies to keep them from smelling up the place. (Bodies stacked five deep in spots..) But that was a mortuary...

Thanks for mentioning that, Someone mentioned that very event on another thread dealing with this. I had not heard of it before.

I guess there is nothing new up under the sun. This Tri-state crematory was about the same as a mortuary I guess, since he did not do what he was suppost to.

Smile

Low Oil

21 posted on 02/18/2002 1:23:49 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Lowelljr
It looks like to me, he used the sheds to dry out the bodies, thus the smell first before he strew them across the woods.

PETA's going to be all over this one. What are the poor critters in the woods going to eat now? And how about the starving crows?

22 posted on 02/18/2002 1:25:28 PM PST by aShepard
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To: Orangedog
I know. I just like to stir it up.
23 posted on 02/18/2002 1:30:07 PM PST by ozidar
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To: Hillsborofox
A fellow freeper had kinfolk that used this crematory. This does hit home fellow freepers.
24 posted on 02/18/2002 1:30:38 PM PST by LowOiL
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To: Lowelljr
Yeah, there isn't anything new under the sun. California had something like this happened back in the 80's. They also charged for services not rendered. (Burial clothes, embalming and the like.)

Gotta wonder about the mentality of people that they would do this to the dead. (At least one guy stated that he didn't want the dead to be 'lonely')

25 posted on 02/18/2002 1:33:28 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: Orangedog
There should be a sign posted around them:

DO NOT FEED THE TREKKIES!
26 posted on 02/18/2002 1:41:43 PM PST by snowfox
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To: wimpycat
I read this guy may have serviced (30) funeral homes. There may have been some white funeral homes, too.
27 posted on 02/18/2002 1:52:11 PM PST by CWRWinger
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To: ozidar
Briefly, Klingons believe that once a Warrior dies his body is an "empty shell" to be disposed of as casually as one might take out the garbage. It has no further value, having no further use.
28 posted on 02/18/2002 1:57:48 PM PST by Illbay
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To: kattracks
I'd bet there is a similar scenario somewhere near Clinton's place when he was governor of Arkansas.
29 posted on 02/18/2002 2:26:59 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Lowelljr
Is this man a crook or just an idiot? If he had acreage why didn't he get a backhoe & just bury these people, like a landfil, on his own property. He might have gotten away it forever.

Oh Lordy! I am sitting here figuring out how these people could have gotten away with their dasterdly deeds. That makes ME a sick puppy.
30 posted on 02/18/2002 2:37:58 PM PST by Ditter
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To: kattracks
So help me, I will never buy any cream from any Georgia source again. Milk maybe, but not cream.
31 posted on 02/18/2002 2:40:09 PM PST by crystalk
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To: Ditter
Is this man a crook or just an idiot?
But the state still lets him run his business... so blame Georgia One of the more useless states in the Union ...
32 posted on 02/18/2002 2:42:06 PM PST by Utopia
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To: kattracks
Liberal: "The crematorium was broken." (So I am not responsible.)

Conservative: "The crematorium was broken...
First, I notified all burial companies that I could not take any more bodies at this time.
Second, I called the repair shop, used some of my profits, and had the "ovens" fixed.
Finally, I notified all burial companies that I was again open for business.

33 posted on 02/18/2002 2:44:56 PM PST by Libertina
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To: kattracks
This whole thing makes no sense. Didn't the Germans burn bodies during the Holocaust just because it was the most efficient (and sanitary) way to get rid of massive amounts of corpses? Why anyone would bury or stack bodies vs. burn them is beyond me, especially in an area where there are a lot of wild animals. . . .

I sure hope that the bodies weren't used for other purposes, such as Satanic cult-type stuff. Or maybe Frankenstein's lab is up here.

I work just over the mountain from this mess and I'm sure more than a few of my co-workers will be affected.

I would hope that the State of Georgia inspects funeral homes and crematoria, but I wonder where they were the last 20 years or so.

34 posted on 02/18/2002 3:08:02 PM PST by Tazlo
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To: kattracks
I'm glad to see this guy is once again, arrested. The question, still remaining here is: Where did the recently exhumed caskets come from?

Seeing that this came soon after a Fl Funeral Home was Exhuming remains, probably after what they considered a sufficient time had elapsed to exclude survivors, we may be seeing the tip of a huge iceberg here. How many people actually check to see if x number of people are actually interred under a headstone with x number of names on it? After a certain number of years, the situation is obvious, nobody is alive who would remember, and unless the family is caring, and visits gravesites on a regular basis, this could be the opening of a huge "recycling" operation.

This guy is obviously incapable of rational thought. Didn't ANY of the families want the cremains back? If so, what, or should I say WHO did they get?

Now, the Funeral Service industry has been under attack for some time now, for price gouging, the Embalming fiasco (claiming that Embalming was necessary under law when it was not), some local establishments here near Philly got nailed reusing caskets, when cremation was desired. (If I seem somewhat knowlegeable, I worked in Funeral Service during the time I was in High School, actually had thought about going to Mortuary College (heck, the Funeral Director was going to pay the whole 9 yards), (should have, pays a heck of a lot better than Engineering ;-). This is pretty much the first time I have heard of fraud at one location on this particular scale.

What is particularly disturbing to me, is the huge scale of this operation. Why didn't anyone SMELL anything. When one had that many bodies simply exposed to the elements, you are going to get that "death odor" that simply can't be mistaken for anything else. Allowing for the fact that there are open spaces in GA, a lot more than here in PA, and a "puppy mill" was recently uncovered not far from where this happened, with dogs bred and kept in unspeakable conditions.

As I recall, after all the dogs were removed,(most were saved). The place had to be burned flat to "cauterize" what was left. Point being, nobody smelled that one either, so maybe we are talking about being so far removed from a road, or residences, nobody noticed, or more likely, they did, but for one reason or another didn't say anything.

Gotta check for Jimmy Hoffa, though (sorry, couldn't resist that).

Keep the Faith for Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC BOTH FROM THE CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGERS EXISTING BOTH WITHIN AND OUTSIDE ITS BORDERS.

Greg

35 posted on 02/18/2002 3:11:54 PM PST by gwmoore
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To: kattracks; Lowelljr
"There are also plans to dredge a lake near the crematory as part of the search."

Wonder if the catfish taste different from that lake?

36 posted on 02/18/2002 3:18:56 PM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: Lowelljr
Marsh Vault & Grave Service
362 Center Point Road, La Fayette, GA 30728
(706) 764-1577

I called the number and got: "Mailbox for...Marsh Vault...is full."

Ugh. Full of what?

37 posted on 02/18/2002 3:42:29 PM PST by hillsborofox
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To: Illbay; Squantos; Poohbah; Travis McGee
Briefly, Klingons believe that once a Warrior dies his body is an "empty shell" to be disposed of as casually as one might take out the garbage. It has no further value, having no further use.

Why do I *KNOW* you have been to Star Trek Conventions wearing Spock Ears and buying copies of the Klingon Dictionary?

Why do I simply KNOW it????

38 posted on 02/18/2002 3:42:32 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
Because he knows obscure Trekkie trivia--just like me (and yes, I plead guilty to doing Trekkie conventions in Spock ears).

BTW, do NOT watch the episode he quoted from with a bunch of drunk Marine NCOs. Worf gives a soliquiy on the virtues of the warrior that gets drunken jarheads to shout "Amen! Preach it brother Worf!"

39 posted on 02/18/2002 3:51:11 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Libertina
True, too. One of the articles mention that Mrs. Marsh was very active with this good cause, that good cause, AND the Democratic Women's Committee (or something like that). Bless her heart!

I have a fireplace full of ashes, a large Tiffany box and a very wicked idea involving the postal service and 362 Center Point Road, La Fayette, GA 30728.

40 posted on 02/18/2002 4:04:07 PM PST by hillsborofox
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To: Tazlo
Geeez. You can't even die decently any more.
41 posted on 02/18/2002 4:17:29 PM PST by ZDaphne
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To: Libertina
Libertina wrote: "Liberal: "The crematorium was broken." (So I am not responsible.)

Conservative: "The crematorium was broken... First, I notified all burial companies that I could not take any more bodies at this time. Second, I called the repair shop, used some of my profits, and had the "ovens" fixed. Finally, I notified all burial companies that I was again open for business."

Socialist: "The crematorium was broken...so I'll wait until a bureaucrat sends me a government cheque to subsidize a replacement."

Fascist: "The crematorium was broken...because I was burning too many of my neighbours.

Anarchist: "The crematorium was broken...so I kidnapped my congressman and blew it up with him inside."

Libertarian: see Conservative

42 posted on 02/18/2002 4:29:12 PM PST by Ipberg
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To: Lazamataz
OR...

I happen to enjoy watching the show (I never really got into DS9 (too static) or ST:V (too effeminate). Haven't seen the newest one, but NexGen was always my favorite.

I simply watched the program, and happen to remember the plots, including seeing the deaths of Klingons and Worf's explanation of Klingon philosophy vis-a-vis burial customs.

Actually, though an avid SF fan, I have never been to a convention of any kind. Those people are too weird. But that doesn't stop me from enjoying the genre.

43 posted on 02/18/2002 5:22:34 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Poohbah
LOL!

Gotta love Worf! (I particularly liked his comment to Jordy regarding Klingon romance rituals. "The male reads love poetry, and the female throws heavy objects!" ST:NG really knew how to laugh at itself).

Top reason why I really love ST:NG: The characters. Character development was refined to a tee with that program. Little wonder, since they used some of the best stage actors in world in the series.

Stewart was of course a classical actor with stunning credentials on the British stage, Brent Spiner has appeared on Broadway, most particularly in Sunday in the Park with George, and Frakes is also a veteran of Broadway.

44 posted on 02/18/2002 5:26:48 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Lowelljr
I thought I saw a post like this a week or two ago from an article that showed that ther was a link between this company and W. I thought the author of the article said that W used to be a shareholder in this funeral company. More bs i'm sure. Am I the only one who saw this or am I dreaming. The press is obviosly sick of Enron not panning out for them so they dredge up old news and report it as if it happened today.
45 posted on 02/18/2002 5:29:15 PM PST by satchmodog9
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To: Illbay
Why do I have a vision of being able to cast Michael Dorn in an episode of The Highlander?
46 posted on 02/18/2002 5:30:45 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Libertina
Liberal: "The crematorium was broken." (So I am not responsible.)

Very true, I'm sure he expected some tax dollars to come his way to get the crematorium fixed.

47 posted on 02/18/2002 5:38:37 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Poohbah
Dorn's another fine actor, though I have not seen anything on stage that he's done. He could be Richard the Lion-Heart in The Lion In Winter, though (and don't laugh; I thought Denzel Washington was BRILLIANT as Don Pedro in Branagh's Much Ado About Nothing, and I realized that suspending belief regarding the color of the actor's skin is easy with the right actor).

I think Dorn would play Richard perfectly.

48 posted on 02/18/2002 5:38:41 PM PST by Illbay
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To: kattracks
"...charged with 11 counts of theft by deception..."

That's all?? Why not "desecration of a corpse"?
49 posted on 02/18/2002 5:43:53 PM PST by Nathan Jr.
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