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didn't see this in the Ultimate Crevo Thread List, so I decided to post it. Even if it's there, this will be refreshing.
1 posted on 03/08/2002 7:55:48 AM PST by JediGirl
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To: JediGirl
Well, this is sure to generate a lot of intelligent discussion... : )

Regards,
Snidely

2 posted on 03/08/2002 8:04:48 AM PST by Snidely Whiplash
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To: JediGirl
Thanks. Another bookmark.
3 posted on 03/08/2002 8:09:08 AM PST by stanz
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To: JediGirl
This kind of obtuse navel-gazing ignorance is a classic European cultural mindset which has unfortunately been adopted by many Americans

Ah, the evils of western civilization!

4 posted on 03/08/2002 8:17:50 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: JediGirl
This article has a lie index of about 62% and stupidity index of about 86% for a total BS index of about 75%. Most creationsists are not violent theocratic crusaders, they are common sense Americans who simply want schools to teach the truth about the serious scientific problems with evolutionary theory. These are well-documented by scientists with no religious axe to grind, yet thousands of evolutionist zealots will treat you like a complete fool if you raise any questions about the received dogmas of evolution.

Rippin

5 posted on 03/08/2002 8:23:44 AM PST by Rippin
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To: JediGirl
Great article, the salient points of which will never in a million years be discussed rationally by the FReeper Fundies here.
6 posted on 03/08/2002 8:24:46 AM PST by truenospinzone
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To: JediGirl
Interesting article. It correctly identifies many of the common attacks on the theory of evolution which are not logical.

There are many people who believe in the theory of evolution who also believe in God and consider themselves Christians. But many other Christians do not believe their faith to be genuine or valid.

That's an unfortunate fact.

7 posted on 03/08/2002 8:31:29 AM PST by Dog Gone
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"I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Saviour, for whose Kingdom it stands, one Saviour, crucified, risen, and coming again, with life and liberty for all who believe."- Dan Quayle, participating in a modified Pledge of Allegiance at the "Reclaiming America" conference in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 1994.

Can anyone verify the truth (or lack thereof) of this disturbing quote?
9 posted on 03/08/2002 8:39:10 AM PST by Dimensio
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Bump for further perusal.
10 posted on 03/08/2002 8:47:40 AM PST by Junior
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Bump for further perusal.
11 posted on 03/08/2002 8:47:56 AM PST by Junior
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Umm... this guy has painted Christianity with such a broad brush that he's completely guilty of the very thing he's accusing Christians of from the beginning. A truly open mind is not offended or threatened when anothers religion restricts what they consider to be the truth and, conversely, not the truth. This man is so obviously offended and threatened that he's not better than any back-woods Bible-thumper declaring the kid in a karate class as a follower of pagan religions and is destined for hell.

I got about 1/4 of the way through this article and had to stop - when someone accuses someone of following faulty logic and then does the very same thing himself right on its heels then I get the feeling that this person is just stirring up grief. Thankyouverymuchpleasedrivethrough.

For example - it's not OK for Christians to point to extra-Biblical texts that have examples of creation accounts. But it's apparently ok for this author to hold up the example of the Golden Rule and then point out how "unspecial" Christianity is because so many other religions have this very principle as well.

Frankly - this guy just doesn't get it. The core to this whole issue is whether there is a God or not. He wants to argue doctrine and semantics and disqualify a religion based on past and even current abuses and completely ignores that any ideology or religion that exists in the world today is guilty of the same things Christianity is guilty of. And if they aren't it's because they just haven't been in existance long enough - give them time.

Essentially - trying to argue any points with this person is futile. He's so bigoted himself against Christianity that in the end we'd either be in fisticuffs or agreeing to completely disagree and live in different hemispheres.

12 posted on 03/08/2002 8:50:44 AM PST by Frapster
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ii. It demands "proof" of a scientific theory. However, the act of demanding "proof" merely betrays ignorance of scientific methods. Unlike mathematical theories, scientific theories are not "proven". Competing theories are judged on their consistency with observation, and the best theory wins (science itself is an evolutionary process in that respect). If science demanded absolute "proof" of theories, then we wouldn't have any theories at all. Even the theory of gravity can't be "proven"; it can only be shown to be consistent with observation.

This is what worries me most. One of the greatest claims of Western civilization is the Scientific Method. I like to think of the reported words of Alexander Graham Bell, apocryphal or not, when he said "What has God wrought?" You can't have it both ways. There is just something misguided and immature, AFAIC, in applying an article of religious faith to the scientific domain, i.e. Creation Theory. What's next? Labeling the Resurrection "Heavenly Teleportation Theory?"

13 posted on 03/08/2002 8:54:40 AM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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"...equally accepting of Buddhists, Taoists, Christians, Hindus, Wiccans, Muslims, and others, including atheists."

Because all of the above belief systems have some very basic differences, only ONE of them can be The Truth.
There cannot be many truths.
The question of diety(s) can only have one correct answer.
Surley we must be tolerant of the beliefs of others, for this is a free country.
But being tolerant of another viewpoints is not the same as a ringing endorsement.

On the other hand, certainly Creationists are roundly derided by macro-evolutionists - who are themselves (as a whole) not very tolerant of differing viewpoints.

18 posted on 03/08/2002 9:02:30 AM PST by Psalm 73
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Hi, Jedi!

May I suggest the reading of the New Testament? Salvation lies within, and is available to you.

God bless!

29 posted on 03/08/2002 9:27:31 AM PST by rdb3
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Ping.
40 posted on 03/08/2002 9:47:03 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: JediGirl
Excellent article. Lots of good points.
46 posted on 03/08/2002 9:55:47 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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Here's a small part of the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).

01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
03: Creationi sm and Pseudo Science. Familiar cartoon then lots of links.
04: The SKEPTIC annotated bibliography. Amazingly great meta-site!
05: The Evidence for Human Evolution. For the "no evidence" crowd.
06: Massi ve mega-site with thousands of links on evolution, creationism, young earth, etc..
07: Another amazing site full of links debunking creationism.
08: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Great cartoon!
09: Glenn R. Morton's site about creationism's fallacies. Another jennyp contribution.
11: Is Evolution Science?. Successful PREDICTIONS of evolution (Moonman62).
12: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution. On point and well-written.
13: Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions. A creationist nightmare!
14: DARWIN, FULL TEXT OF HIS WRITINGS. The original ee-voe-lou-shunist.

The foregoing was just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated "Creationism vs. Evolution" threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review:
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 15].

47 posted on 03/08/2002 9:55:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: JediGirl
According to Dan Quayle and the other hate mongers at this conference,

It only took 5 or 6 lines for the writer to characterize a former vice-President and countless others as hate mongers. This alone invalidates any opinion he holds as irrational thought.

53 posted on 03/08/2002 10:01:18 AM PST by DouglasKC
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These bunch of doofuses are spouting the same crap that has been answered countless times before. These people remain ignorant by choice. I would not be surprised if spinning the globe up periodically by God's hand and the instantaneous speed of light arguments don't pop up next. O'l Sparky's college of ignoramus knowlege (aka wiggling and screaming preachers) is spreading.
100 posted on 03/08/2002 2:50:26 PM PST by Aracelis
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Upon reading the first three or so sentances and the list of three arguments, this article is easily discerned as a very low brow, poorly educated argument.

The first analogy that comes across my mind is perhaps the same author attempting to argue that a 3 sec clip of Rap music is comparable to a Sibelius symphony or that a broken egg on the floor is in the same league of art as the Sistine Chapel.

There exists a sizable demonstrable body of theology dedicated to arguing the points which the author means to discuss, but quite frankly he hasn't even developed the maturity level of a third grader in his ability to express his position.

His position begs the question repeatedly, and quite frankly he's not merely mistaken, he's wrong. I'll continue to read and comment later, but really, there do exist better folks out there to critique the issues at hand.

This isn't even worthy California Jr. College material,...and that's pretty damned sad.

112 posted on 03/08/2002 3:11:41 PM PST by Cvengr
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I'll take the opportunity to provide a running critique off-the-cuff of the article. Errors are a plenty in this one, even from a secular point of view. I pursue this not to be self aggrandizing, but to provide some guidance to perhaps some teenager level or high school level readers who haven't critically studied the issues.

BTW, there's probably some very well educated Orthadox Jews or Catholic Priests out there who can run circles around my analysis, but here goes a little study time and perhaps some others can share as well along the way.

I haven't even rad the comments, but the first two paragraphs have set this article up for targeting.

118 posted on 03/08/2002 3:23:55 PM PST by Cvengr
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