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Conservatives Question Dubya's Direction
INSIGHT magazine ^ | May 27, 2002 | Jamie Dettmer

Posted on 05/29/2002 10:02:01 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

Is George W. Bush becoming the president who just can't say no? Democrats like to paint him in dyed-in-the-wool conservative colors and portray him as even more of an ideological warrior than was Ronald Reagan.

Few would disagree that he is more conservative than was his father, but saying that leaves out a lot. In short, it lacks a recognition of President Bush's highly developed sense of pragmatism and his readiness to compromise —which is infuriating some conservative luminaries who argue his presidency so far is shaping up to be a disappointment when it comes to domestic policy.

Frustration was evident earlier in the year when the White House started backing moderate Republicans over conservatives in GOP primary races around the country. With spending on government programs set to increase by 22 percent from 1999 to 2003 in inflation-adjusted dollars, according to some analyses, grumbling about Bush is mounting within the Republican Party's conservative wing.

Spending on annually funded programs increased about 9 percent in the last two years of the Clinton administration. In the first two years of the Bush administration it is scheduled to grow nearly 15 percent.

Administration officials say they'll control spending once the current terrorist emergency has passed. But conservative critics say the boost in federal spending under Bush isn't just connected with Sept. 11, nor has there been a White House effort to offset additional dollars for defense and national security with reductions elsewhere.

The irate conservatives point to the president's May signing of the most expensive farm-subsidy package in U.S. history, despite objections even by some Republicans who called it a "protectionist boondoggle." Conservative critics say the measures will make U.S. farmers dependent on federal subsidies and that it represents a reversal in the congressional effort since the mid-1990s to curb a trend toward farm price supports. "We seem to have done a U-turn," said Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) when the bill was passed.

The chorus of conservative disapproval is most high-pitched when it comes to the president's failure so far to veto any legislation that has come his way from Congress, including the recent farm legislation. From libertarians at the Cato Institute to conservatives at the Progress and Freedom Foundation, concern is growing at Bush's reluctance to use his veto powers to curb the free-spending ways of Congress.

Conservatives, including some within his administration, fear Bush fails to appreciate that Congress will be brought to heel only when the White House fires off a veto or two. "Since the fall his aides have kept telling us that they will veto this bill and veto that bill but, when push comes to shove, nothing happens," says a prominent conservative leader.

So far, after nearly 16 months in office, Bush has not exercised a single veto. That contrasts with Reagan, who used to enjoy taunting the then Democrat-controlled Congress by urging Capitol Hill to "make my day" and approve bills he didn't like. Reagan vetoed 70 bills during his first term. Even the "kinder, gentler" George H.W. Bush was tougher than his son — he issued 44 vetoes.

The president's legislative-affairs director, Nick Calio, maintains that Bush often has been able to get his way just by calling attention to his veto power. He has cited a post-9/11 spending bill as an example of where Bush managed to secure some changes as a result of raising the specter of a veto.

But conservative critics are not persuaded. At a private strategy session in the winter, Bush tried to pre-empt complaints by assuring Republican senators that he wouldn't flinch from exercising his veto power. But he was careful not to provide any hostages to fortune by offering examples of what he would strike down.

One of the biggest conservative fears is that the president has bought into the notion that Sept. 11 prompted a sea change in the political outlook of ordinary Americans, causing them to be more willing to tolerate big government and increased government expenditures. Worse still, some argue, Bush is using the terrorism emergency to justify expenditures that have nothing to do with national security.

Cato senior fellow Tom Palmer recently bewailed Bush for justifying farm subsidies on defense grounds. "A national-security crisis provides countless opportunities to camouflage expansions of government power or spending as necessary for the common defense," Palmer cautioned in a Cato policy paper.

The Cato critic also cited the president's State of the Union address, in which Bush promised to increase the funding of police and fire departments, something previously considered to be the responsibility of local governments.

Bush supporters say the president simply is engaging in smart politics. Columnist Tony Blankley, who was the spokesman for former House speaker Newt Gingrich, argues that Bush and his political advisers have made the conscious decision not to get embroiled in a domestic-policy row with the Democrats this side of the congressional polls in November. The idea is to allow the White House to focus the election on national-security issues, which should benefit the GOP.

The downside, as far as conservatives are concerned, is that once the federal spending juggernaut starts picking up speed it can't easily be slowed.

Jamie Dettmer is a senior editor for Insight magazine.

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1 posted on 05/29/2002 10:02:02 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"We seem to have done a U-turn," said Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) when the bill was passed.

God bless my Senator, Pat Roberts!

3 posted on 05/29/2002 10:12:35 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Count me among the irate conservatives... I feel betrayed I was convinced he was Reagan all over again during his 1st year in office then he tilted leftward bigtime.
4 posted on 05/29/2002 10:14:08 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Drill Alaska
If he had only said "no" on CFR, he would have gained my respect.
5 posted on 05/29/2002 10:14:58 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Anybody who bothered to look at his record in Texas would have seen a budget that grew by leaps and bounds. His performance in office is no surprise. Compassionate Conservatism is simply Rockefeller Republicanism in a new coat of paint. Under Bush, government will grow dramatically. The taxes that are needed to pay for it will eventually follow.
6 posted on 05/29/2002 10:19:13 AM PDT by caltrop
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To: caltrop
Oh no way. He's wonderful, he fights terrorists, he feels everyones pain, he is everything we could ever want in a leader.

He isn't Clinton or Gore, which is all that is required by his supporters.

7 posted on 05/29/2002 10:33:03 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Stand Watch Listen
More and more demowits post on this sight daily. Wonder if they think we are stupid enough to think they are for real?
8 posted on 05/29/2002 10:36:39 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: RAT Patrol
Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.)

Roberts and Brownback two shining stars in a state where RINO's are the rule and true conservatives seem to be the exception. Who will be our next Governor?
9 posted on 05/29/2002 10:44:57 AM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: ThomasJefferson
The majority of voters now are independent
The GOP wants to pick them up
(they did in 2000, and I think they will continue to do so, the Dem Party is kaput)
I have already resolved to vote Libertarian from now on, so I'm watching this from the sidelines
Love, Palo
10 posted on 05/29/2002 10:50:01 AM PDT by palo verde
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To: Drill Alaska
Conservatives disapprove of the job he's doing, liberals disapprove of the job he's doing but 76% of the American people approve of the job he's doing.

It seems Mr. Bush stands in the center along with most Americans. That's why he appears too liberal for most conservatives and too conservative for most liberals.

By the way, I stand with the conservatives who think he is too liberal but I'm not willing to give up on Bush for now.

11 posted on 05/29/2002 10:50:31 AM PDT by Russ
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To: palo verde
The majority of voters now are independent

More importantly, the majority of people who are eligible to vote,, do not vote.

If they ever start to vote, and vote for freedom minded people, the country will turn in the right direction. If they do not, it is curtains.

12 posted on 05/29/2002 10:55:16 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Russ
By the way, I stand with the conservatives who think he is too liberal but I'm not willing to give up on Bush for now.

What would it take?

And how much liberalism is the right amount?

13 posted on 05/29/2002 10:58:38 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: arkfreepdom
I get it... because someone wants to stand on principle (unlike the President) they are a democrat poster!

Don't get me wrong. You are not the only one who does this-- so don't take it personally when I say that is the most absurd statememt one can find on Free Republic.

Right is right,wrong is wrong, no matter who does it!!!There are some posters on this site that think one is beyond criticism because they have an "R" in front of their name!

That will prove to be the death of our party!!!

14 posted on 05/29/2002 10:59:02 AM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: ALL
Let me ask everyone a few questions:

1.) If thousands of Tom Daschle and Hillary klinton clones decided to sabotage the party by switching to the Republican party, would you vote for them?

2.)And if elected, would you think it inappropriate to criticize them?

3.)Isn't that what is going on now to the Republican party--and...

4.) shouldn't we be trying to destroy (or at least shine the spotlight of truth on) those atempting to destroy us?

Too many of us have some sort of emotional attachment to this President. This is unhealthy, and just as disturbing as the klintonoids we battled for the past 8 years. He is just a man. A man who seems to be perpetuating liberalism and klitonism to the tune of a 76-percent favorable rating.

15 posted on 05/29/2002 11:13:54 AM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: weikel
In terms of what weikel? Reagan backed the brady bill,amnesty for illegals, raised taxes three times, vetoed the farm bill and had it wrapped around his neck in 86 when he lost the senate. Reagan was a great president but bush's policies are exactly the same.
16 posted on 05/29/2002 11:14:31 AM PDT by Leclair10
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To: Leclair10
When did Reagan raise taxes btw?
17 posted on 05/29/2002 11:16:20 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Captainpaintball
Bump
18 posted on 05/29/2002 11:16:46 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Few would disagree that he is more conservative than was his father

For many here, being more conservative than Al Gore is more than enough to earn their support. Only about 240 million Americans can cross that high bar.

19 posted on 05/29/2002 11:19:09 AM PDT by Charlotte Corday
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To: PhiKapMom;ArneFufkin;Miss Marple;goodnesswins;Common Tator
Here's another liberal article aimed at pulling conservatives apart and helping the dems gain more senate seats.
20 posted on 05/29/2002 11:24:34 AM PDT by WIMom
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To: Stand Watch Listen
If you listen to the anti-Bush pundits in the liberal media and the political misfits and malcontents hanging around FreeRepublic, some folks could conclude that Bushes Presidency has been a total failure. Nothing could be further from the truth.

If you look objectively, at George W.Bushes short time as President, you would see a solid record overall. While some conservatives have disagreed with Bushes decisions on education, provision 245i, farm subsidies and CFR, Bush has given America, the most conservative leadership since President Reagan was in power.

Remember, we've had basic political gridlock in Wash-DC over the last 20 years. Accomplishments for conservatives, have been, few and far between. Conservatism has had some success with the Reagan Revolution and the Contract with America. The latter, enabled Republicans, to win control of the Congress, for the first time in forty years.

Bushes accomplishments in his first 16 months as POTUS:
* secured passage through Congress of a $1.35 trillion tax cut
* gave working American's a stimulus tax cut
* proposed the largest increases in military spending since Reagan
* singed two military two pay raises & increased medical/housing benefits
* threw out the Kyoto protocol
* disposed of the ABM Treaty
* eliminated taxpayer funding of overseas abortions
* has openly and strongly supported Taiwan
* made no deal for release of the EP-3 plane crew from Red China
* secured initial funding for a NMDS (SDI)
* promoted increases for off shore oil drilling
* has strongly advocated drilling in ANWR
* pushed for building more nuclear power plants
* campaigned to reduce our dependency on oil imports
* repealed many last minute Clinton EO`s
* campaigned for partial privatization of Social Security
* offered faith-based alternatives to traditional welfare
* stopped gov't funding for further destruction of human embryo's
* nominated conservative judges to the federal bench
* returned honor, dignity and trust to the Presidency
* recognized 2ND amendment/RKBA as individual right, fully constitutional
* told Cuba/Castro trade embargo stays

President Bush also signed four executive orders based on the principles of fair and open competition, neutrality in government contracting, effective and efficient use of tax dollars and the legal right of workers to be notified of how their dues may be used. In other words, stopped favoring union shops in government contracting.

Along with winning the war on terrorism, Bush is doing a very good job for the American people. I'd call Bushes short time in office, a qualified success.

21 posted on 05/29/2002 11:29:54 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Captainpaintball
Principle is one thing....suicide is another. Thank God the Green Party will cancel out most Libertarian votes.
22 posted on 05/29/2002 11:34:51 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Fine and dandy...conservatives do not like big government but this conservative is willing to give Bush a pass - a lengthy one - because there are much larger issues right now in case the CATO Institute hasn't noticed! Like trying to prevent a third world war from igniting!
23 posted on 05/29/2002 11:36:42 AM PDT by eleni121
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To: WIMom
Ah yes, any criticism of Bush must be liberal. This bothers me, that people like you consider Bush to be a god - totally beyond reproach, unwilling to admit that he betrays his own stated principles (CFR). He's a good pragmatic politician, I'll give you that, but so was Clinton. And it's my opinion that the deal Bush is making to trade our country's freedom to fight a war which is not about saving freedom but about increasing government power and protecting oil supplies, is absolutely not worth it.
24 posted on 05/29/2002 11:41:25 AM PDT by billybudd
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To: Reagan Man
You left out one thing Dubya has done, that if it had been done by his predecessor, it would have been HIS LEGACY - turning Russia into a strategic partner and getting Russia into NATO.

This is along the lines of the Berlin Wall coming down, though not so weighty. If Slick had done it, it would have been trumpeted far and wide. But a Republican President did it, so it's just yesterday's old news.

Michael

25 posted on 05/29/2002 11:44:58 AM PDT by Wright is right!
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To: AdA$tra
In general, I am thankful for the moderates in that they are not liberals. However, there are times I think they are WORSE than liberals. I can stomach the ones with some personal character better than the ones like Bill Graves (He either has an evil twin or he is a rude jerk.)

My money is supporting Shallenburger. I even received a personal thank you for my donation. That has NEVER happened before.

The Wichita Eagle, God bless 'em, tend to be collectively moderate, though I'd say a little left leaning lately. They are salivating at the new entry, Kerr. I think, for a couple of them, it all boils down to abortion. Unless candidates are for it clear till birth they are far right radicals not worthy of political office. The Kansas City Star has yet to support anything right of Hillary Clinton ideology. I can't stand them, though they carry some decent syndicated folks, they are collectively hard, socialistic left.

It gets difficult to campaign anywhere when the local media is against you. These are the same folks who have zero tolerance for "sham" political advertising yet "leveling the playing field" in the media violates their First Amendment rights. Hypocrites! Residents in the state should police their media better.

Who do I think will win the GOP Primary? It is anybody's guess but I hope it's Shallenburger. I think the Dem, I can't spell her name so I'll just say Kathleen, will not win no matter what. We are Republican first, moderate second (not me). (Democrats have artfully learned how to play the GOP primary in their favor so it is tough for a Conservative to win.) The only Dem that has a chance is a pro-life Dem against a pro-abortion Pub. That changes the mix in an odd way. I could be wrong but that's my best guess.

26 posted on 05/29/2002 11:45:25 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: billybudd
When you lose a realtive or friend in a terrorist act it will become your problem. How would you like it if others felt the same way about your loss. Bush is honorable and honest....that alone goes a long way with me.
27 posted on 05/29/2002 11:46:33 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: Wright is right!
I'll add that to the list of accomplishments for President Bush, in a mere 16 months in office. Thanks
28 posted on 05/29/2002 11:48:26 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: eleni121
conservatives do not like big government

Actions speak louder than words.

Nearly every action elected conservatives take makes government bigger, more intrusive and more expensive.

By deed, conservatives have shown for decades that they like big government just fine, so long as it is doing their bidding.

Save Reagan, there hasn't been a genuine small government Republican since Goldwater. Maybe Republicans should update their campaign message from one that hasn't been accurate for almost 40 years.

29 posted on 05/29/2002 11:50:31 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: billybudd
If you haven't noticed, there is an assult on FR to pull conservatives apart. That is a typical liberal trick, to keep the country divided. Bush has his faults, but the bottom line is if the dems keep control of the senate, no conservative initiatives will be implemented. Who knows when we will see another opportunity to take both houses. I will do everything I can to rid this country of liberals and those who help tear down conservatism.
30 posted on 05/29/2002 11:51:58 AM PDT by WIMom
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To: Reagan Man
While some conservatives have disagreed with Bushes decisions on education, provision 245i, farm subsidies and CFR, Bush has given America, the most conservative leadership since President Reagan was in power.

And A better Politician. Look, Reagan played the Part well, (Like Clinton, unfortunately, that's all x42 could do...) But That is the One thing Bush lacks.The aforementioned disagreeable decisions a: pale in acomparison to what has been achieved, and b: are a part of the bigger game. Advancing his parties interests....(getting Himself, and Others Re-elected.)

For those of you that actually follow strategery, This President is a political Animal, like no other. Compare, if you will, the NYTimes Coverage of Reagan, compared to that of Bush. He has the Press relatively Silent, and his enemies bereft of issues.

Another good example of this is Fla. Close Election, Dems using alleged improprieties to stir up voter sentiment....What does he do? Justice Dept, gets ready to sue several Fla. counties, over voting irregularities. Said Counties will enter into Agreements to stay out of court. What do those agreements ALWAYS include? Election Monitoring by....The Justice Dept...

So, when Bush's brother, and Bush run for ofc, in '02, and '04 respectively, the Republican controlled Justice Department will be on hand...lol

The Great ones make it Look easy.

31 posted on 05/29/2002 11:58:32 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Reagan Man
If you listen to the anti-Bush pundits in the liberal media and the political misfits and malcontents hanging around FreeRepublic, some folks could conclude that Bushes Presidency has been a total failure. Nothing could be further from the truth.

A-men, and your list of accomplishments by our president is true. However prepare to get attacked by a lot of posters here. There are however a lot of us who agree with you and just don't have the time to post as much stuff as a lot of the negative posters. I'm going to follow with interest the reaction to your post.

32 posted on 05/29/2002 12:00:31 PM PDT by billva
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To: Wright is right!;ReaganMan
You left out one thing Dubya has done, that if it had been done by his predecessor, it would have been HIS LEGACY - turning Russia into a strategic partner and getting Russia into NATO. This is along the lines of the Berlin Wall coming down, though not so weighty. If Slick had done it, it would have been trumpeted far and wide. But a Republican President did it, so it's just yesterday's old news

Ditto the Arms control agreement/as regards legacy...P.S. as a further aside to that, IF slick had done it, we would still be hearing about what a wonderful world it is, with so many less Nukes....But like you said....

33 posted on 05/29/2002 12:02:38 PM PDT by hobbes1
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To: ThomasJefferson
And how much liberalism is the right amount?

That's akin to asking, "How much cancer is the right amount?".

34 posted on 05/29/2002 12:10:34 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: eleni121
Fine and dandy...conservatives do not like big government but this conservative is willing to give Bush a pass - a lengthy one - because there are much larger issues right now in case the CATO Institute hasn't noticed! Like trying to prevent a third world war from igniting!

And CFR, the Farm bill, and public admission that official policy is now to ignore the word "illegal" in "illegal immigrants" all aid in the prevention of said war how, exactly?

35 posted on 05/29/2002 12:11:44 PM PDT by truenospinzone
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To: Reagan Man
Bushes accomplishments in his first 16 months as POTUS:

* secured passage through Congress of a $1.35 trillion tax cut * gave working American's a stimulus tax cut

These are the same and they are not permanent, nor are they matched with government cuts.

* proposed the largest increases in military spending since Reagan * singed two military two pay raises & increased medical/housing benefits

The military pay increase is good, but the court is still out on effectiveness (he has not replaced many of the X42 appointees, so the increases are likely to be wasted. ) Overall, he has proposed the largest increase in federal spending since FDR--hardly a conservative stance.

* threw out the Kyoto protocol

This is good. * disposed of the ABM Treaty

He traded the ABM for NMDS and willingly agreed to LESSER weapons than the most liberal disarmament freaks. This was a no-win political ploy that results in less national security at a time of greater vulnerability.

* eliminated taxpayer funding of overseas abortions

Yep, but didn't rescind military abortions overseas.

* has openly and strongly supported Taiwan

All the while playing the whore with mainland China.

* made no deal for release of the EP-3 plane crew from Red China

And I've got some land in Florida for sale.

* secured initial funding for a NMDS (SDI)

See above.

* promoted increases for off shore oil drilling * has strongly advocated drilling in ANWR * pushed for building more nuclear power plants * campaigned to reduce our dependency on oil imports

All of these have shown no results because he has shown no backbone. We were told he was saving his political capital for later, but he has shown no desire to spend ANYTHING on principle.

* repealed many last minute Clinton EO`s

Name them. He has not rescinded the most flagrant abuses and has shown no desire to do so. He has also shown no interest in rooting out the leftover corruption and treason in federal offices. We are at "war" and no one is willing to lay a glove on the un-American traitors left from X42's regime. How conservative is that?

* campaigned for partial privatization of Social Security

Campaigned, but not delivered, however we'll give you this.

* offered faith-based alternatives to traditional welfare

More government intervention is hardly conservative. Prostituting legitimate charities will not benefit either institution.

* stopped gov't funding for further destruction of human embryo's

Status quo and doesn't really restrict research, just funding. A small victory.

* nominated conservative judges to the federal bench

Nominated, but won't even go to the mat for them. He could have got Pickering onboard if he had fought, but nooooo; don't want to look too partisan.

* returned honor, dignity and trust to the Presidency

Granted, but a billygoat in heat could have done that after X42.

* recognized 2ND amendment/RKBA as individual right, fully constitutional

Big yes. This is really good, but it has no legal status. A brief is not binding.

* told Cuba/Castro trade embargo stays

Good again.

President Bush also signed four executive orders based on the principles of fair and open competition, neutrality in government contracting, effective and efficient use of tax dollars and the legal right of workers to be notified of how their dues may be used. In other words, stopped favoring union shops in government contracting. Along with winning the war on terrorism, Bush is doing a very good job for the American people. I'd call Bushes short time in office, a qualified success.

Executive orders are hardly a conservative ideal. All Executive Orders that affect anything beyond the direct administration of the executive branch should be rescinded and proper legislation should pass through Congress. The war on terrorism is still ongoing, so don't count chickens.

Overall, I'd say it's all we can expect. Bush is not the Anti-Christ, but he's no savior either. He's a man with a lot of political savvy, and he may turn it around after regaining Congress. If not, we are in for a long, hard row.

36 posted on 05/29/2002 12:23:16 PM PDT by antidisestablishment
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To: antidisestablishment
He's a man with a lot of political savvy

Currently, he is the Grand Master of Political Jiu Jitsu.

37 posted on 05/29/2002 12:28:20 PM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Joe Brower
That's akin to asking, "How much cancer is the right amount?"

My point precisely. GWB and the current crop of Republicans might be compared to that dread disease and the country to the victim of it.

One way to cure cancer is to cut it out. The question is, will the patient figure that out?

38 posted on 05/29/2002 12:32:29 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: Reagan Man
Not a qualified success, success, period. Look at the list, folks. You won't get perfect leadership until the Lord comes back. In the meantime, I'm thankful for a president who is a man of high character and about whom I can be sure he is at least trying to make right decisions. To equate those people who are sticking with Bush because of his solid character with those who stuck with Clinton despite his poor character is ridiculous.
39 posted on 05/29/2002 12:43:58 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: Wright is right!
You are so Wright! The change in our relationship with Russia,and Russia's relationship with Europe, brought about in no small measure by Bush and his relationship with Putin, is a huge, watershed event in geopolitics. Yet it's basically reduced to a crawler at the bottom of the screen while a bunch of talking heads discuss Chandra Levy's ring.

Klintoon would have killed for 1/100th of the legacy that will become apparent as history digests the change Dubya and Vlad have wrought.

Too bad for Klintoon: no matter what he does now, the first line of the ol' obit is always going to be to include the word "impeached."

40 posted on 05/29/2002 12:49:57 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Look, conservatives are complaining that Bush "can't say no", and that he is violating conservative principles. Has anyone considered the idea that these are not part of Bush's principles? He hasn't violated any of his own principles at all - he was a free spender in Texas and he is a free spender now. Nothing has changed. Republicans just didn't bother to look at his record, and now are astonished when he does the same thing.

Please understand that I think President Bush is an honorable, faithful, and just man. I am delighted that he is leading our war effort. I just don't always agree with him.

41 posted on 05/29/2002 12:56:05 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: WIMom
Looks like the DemocRATS are employing a new strategy to split Republican votes and some folks on here seem to be falling for it hook, line, and sinker. Cannot believe they cannot see what is happening! Doesn't take a genius to figure it out!

Thanks for the ping! Count me in on these articles and ping me anytime for support!

42 posted on 05/29/2002 12:56:06 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Captainpaintball
Should the criticism be justified? Is it possible that the debate over "criticizing" Dubya is not about whether he can or should be criticized, but rather about whether the criticism leveled at him in any particular instance is justified?

It seems like everytime someone disagrees with a criticism of the president, someone else interprets that as disagreeing with the conclusion that the president should be criticized when criticism is appropriate.

Are there really people who think that millions of us freeper-types would stick by Dubya is he, say, killed someone or had sex with an intern in the Oval Office? Just because someone concludes that a particular criticism of Dubya is not well-founded does not mean that person is a blindly loyal idiot.

43 posted on 05/29/2002 12:56:09 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: Reagan Man
How long does it take to order the borders of this country sealed to protect US citizens. I think 16 months is long enough.
44 posted on 05/29/2002 12:57:24 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: WIMom
With conservatives like GWB, who needs Liberals for enemies? You will likely not face the facts until its way too late...and even then, you may try to deny the obvious.

We are being betrayed on almost every core principal, because it will always be more expedient politically. My gut feel is that if we had a truly conservative Senate (and with 6 RINOS we are a long way from that) GWB would be chastising it. A truly conservative Senate would have shot down his education bill, the farm bill, the insane unilateral nuclear disarmament treaty with Russia, would be calling for proscecutions of the Clintons & McAulliff et al., not just moving on, and for discipline or removal of Norman ('No Armed Pilots') Maneta, etc.

45 posted on 05/29/2002 1:02:53 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: antidisestablishment
To say this man has no backbone is like saying Hillary has no greed.

If Dubya had no backbone, you'd be hunkered down in your basement right now, cleaning your gasmask and taking your anti-anthrax pills, after having snuck out to bury your dead from the latest terrorist attack.

Sorry. You may find things to criticize Bush over, but lack of moral courage is not one of them. He does what he believes is right. You, apparently, just disagree with him on what is "right" is a given situation. Leave it at that.

46 posted on 05/29/2002 1:03:26 PM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: billva
If you listen to the anti-Bush pundits in the liberal media and the political misfits and malcontents hanging around FreeRepublic, some folks could conclude that Bushes Presidency has been a total failure. Nothing could be further from the truth.

This is certainly true if you are a liberal democrat. Bush is nothing more than an FDR and LBJ rerun. Use the war as cover to implement a liberal agenda.

47 posted on 05/29/2002 1:04:17 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: weikel
I think it's good to remember that Bush took office with virtually no mandate.

Considering he lost the popular vote, and was pilloried in the media as a moron, and took office with millions of people in this country convinced (wrongly of course) that he STOLE the election... and that a "repub" senator took the unprecedented step of defecting to give the Senate away to the dems... Bushie's done pretty damn fine for himself.

Politics is the art of the possible, not Fantasy World. With the unprecedentedly crappy hand Dubya was dealt, I believe he played it about as perfect as anyone ever could have.

Don't forget that Reagan had a 10 point mandate in '80, and a mega-landslide win in '84. Even Bush #41 had a solid 8 point victory in '88.

If we get back the Senate and keep the House, watch how skillfully Bush will push the Conservative agenda.

48 posted on 05/29/2002 1:05:21 PM PDT by berned
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To: berned
Yeah but the thing was he was a lot more conservative when he had "no mandate"( It only matters that you win IMHO. By how much and by what means fair or foul matters little after the fact). He tilted leftward after his approval rating has been high.
49 posted on 05/29/2002 1:08:14 PM PDT by weikel
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To: ThomasJefferson
Well, some of us patients have figured it out. The question is, are we enough and is there still time, or is the body terminal? We will surely find out. Politics is, at best, a perverse game of compromise, guile, and dirty dealings. Doesn't leave a whole lot of room for concepts like justice, service, and honor. Not, at least, with our current crop of politicians -- I cannot grace them with the term "statesmen", because, they're not. I see Democrats and Republicans as all too often just different sides of the same counterfeit coin.

As other posters have noted here, though, if the Repubs can gain back the Senate majority, we may see the conservative agenda rise from the ashes. No one would be happier to see that than myself. I don't know how well it will counter the damage already done, though, with police-state crap like the "PATRIOT" act, CFR, etc. already enacted.


50 posted on 05/29/2002 1:11:13 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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