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In Liberal Oakland, Davis Scarcely Outshines Simon
LA Times ^ | 10/23/02 | Mark Z. Barabak

Posted on 10/23/2002 8:53:30 AM PDT by gubamyster

ONE IN AN OCCASIONAL SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS WITH CALIFORNIA VOTERS. IN THIS ARTICLE, BAY AREA DEMOC

Voters say the governor just doesn't seem Democratic enough.

By Mark Z. Barabak, Times Staff Writer

OAKLAND -- Ask Mary Ann Boddum about the race for California governor and she goes on at length about Bill Simon Jr.: his inconsistent stands on issues, his questionable business practices, lack of personal integrity and bumbling campaign. "I just don't think he's suited for the job," Boddum said of the GOP gubernatorial nominee.

She is scarcely more impressed with the Democratic incumbent, Gray Davis. He kowtows to big business, Boddum said, panders to contributors and has not been the friend to education that he promised to be. "Also, I think he plays a little dirty sometimes in his campaigning," Boddum said.

In this overwhelmingly Democratic area, what's a party loyalist to do?

The question brought Boddum up short. If her support were needed to keep Simon from office, the 55-year-old Berkeley mom finally said, she would reluctantly vote to reelect Davis. Instead, she may skip that line on her ballot. Or perhaps back one of the lesser-known candidates, such as the Green Party's Peter Camejo. "My son keeps pressing me to vote my conscience," she said.

Four years ago, California Democrats exulted at the prospect of electing Davis and ending 16 years of Republican rule in Sacramento. Now, with Davis a favorite to win reelection on Nov. 5, many Democrats view the prospect with something akin to resignation, frustration, even outright hostility.

"Slimy" and "super slimy" was how Kevin Christison, 33, an Oakland sculptor, described Davis and Simon. "Tweedledum" and "Tweedledee," echoed Herb Lotter, 62, during a recent break from a volunteer shift at Alta Bates Hospital.

The cynical shorthand ignores vast differences -- in experience, philosophy and, not least, on issues -- that separate Davis from his GOP rival. Even so, the statements reflect a widespread discontent in Democratic ranks, particularly on the left, that could hurt the rest of the party ticket even if Davis prevails. (Polls show that Simon is facing just as many partisan defections as -- or more than -- Davis, which helps explain why the governor's race is not closer.)

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: billsimon; calgov2002; dumpdavis

1 posted on 10/23/2002 8:53:31 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ElkGroveDan; kellynla; eureka!; RonDog
ping
2 posted on 10/23/2002 8:54:14 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Thanks for pulling this one and posting. Simon needs to reintroduce himself in a big way. Davis' efforts to define him (and those of the dishonest presstitutes) have paid dividends, that can't be denied....
3 posted on 10/23/2002 8:56:02 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: gubamyster
Why would a Republican vote for Davis?

I'm really curious about this one. Surely nobody is deranged enough to think he's actually done a good job?

And, however conflicted Simon may be about the traditional hot-button issues, is there any question that Davis is firmly on the Democratic side on every one of them?

D
4 posted on 10/23/2002 9:07:07 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: daviddennis; Torie
Why would a Republican vote for Davis?

Ask Torie.

5 posted on 10/23/2002 9:23:30 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: gubamyster
Ask Mary Ann Boddum about the race for California governor and she goes on at length about Bill Simon Jr.: his inconsistent stands on issues, his questionable business practices, lack of personal integrity and bumbling campaign.

This first sentence is an example of the complete lack of bias in the media. How can we conservatives be such conspiracy theorists??? [/Sarcasm]

6 posted on 10/23/2002 9:42:37 AM PDT by SunStar
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To: gubamyster; *calgov2002; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; Gophack; eureka!; ElkGroveDan; ...
Good catch!

I'll ping my list.

Memories:

California Power Crisis animations featuring Governor Gray Davis

AND......................

...to see what bad, bad things Davis has done... - CLICK HERE

7 posted on 10/23/2002 9:59:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: daviddennis
Why would a Republican vote for Davis?

Simple.

Because PEOPLE ARE STOOOOPID!!!

I have a harder one: why would a Christian vote for Clinton?

Because they did, by the thousands. Same answer?

Dan

8 posted on 10/23/2002 10:17:43 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: BibChr
I was recently accused of having a low opinion of my fellow citizens when I suggested that too many people out there are too stupid to be trusted with firearms.

I pointed out that too many of my fellow citizens are too stupid to be trusted with a ballot--witness Clinton getting elected twice, and Al Gore getting as many votes as he did. If I can't trust someone with a ballot, I sure ain't gonna trust them if they're packing heat...

9 posted on 10/23/2002 10:20:56 AM PDT by Poohbah
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Don't Miss the Patriots Rallies - October 25 and 26, 2002

Chicago, IL --- Washington, DC --- San Francisco,CA

Cheer on Bill Simon in Long Beach, CA October 24th!

Help TakeBack America - FReePWatch 2002

...DATE../..TIME... ...CITY../..SITE... ...ADDRESS..INFO... ...MORE INFORMATION...
Thursday
10/24/2002

11 - 11:30 am
Long Beach, CA Hyatt Regency - Support Bill Simon
200 S. Pine St. - At Shoreline Drive
Long Beach, CA
710 Fwy S., Follow the signs

California Republican Gubernatorial Candidate Bill Simon speaks to the Long Beach community about California's future. Click HERE for more info about the LONG BEACH CHAMBER OF COMMERCE "California Visionaries Luncheon".
Meet in front of the Hotel at 1130 or earlier.
Be Creative with your signs. "FOR SALE" Gray Davis signs are always in, the bigger the better!
FRiday
10/25/2002

445 pm, rain or shine.
Chicago, IL Pre-Patriots Rally II FReep, Chicagoland
For more info, check out the Thread.
FReePers, Gather at Michigan Ave and Jackson, 4:45pm.
We will head toward Columbus Drive at about 5pm to find our targets.
Bring your flags, signs and patriotism!
Keep those sign ideas coming!
Saturday
10/26/2002

530 pm, rain or shine.
Pasadena, CA JOIN THE CAMPAIGN CHICKEN AND THE CHICKEN TO DEBATE GOVERNOR IN PASADENA
Firefighter Rally and BBQ with Gray Davis
United Democratic Headquarters
1118 E. Green Street
Pasadena, CA
Bring as big a "For Sale" sign as you can muster!

Please RSVP to sfrank@simonforgovernor.com
Saturday
10/26/2002

11 am until 3 pm, rain or shine.
Washington, DC THE PATRIOTS RALLY FOR AMERICA II
Original thread
Update thread

The Washington Monument
Corner of 17th Street and Constitution Avenue, NW.
C-SPAN will be striving to provide fair and balanced coverage
for both the anti-war protests and the Patriots Rally.
Bring your flags, signs and patriotism!
As always, the D.C. Chapter's rules for demonstrating will be in effect.
Briefly, they are: No violence, no racism, no profanity, no threats, no provocations, obey the law and treat all law enforcement officers with respect.
Saturday
10/26/2002

12 pm
San Francisco, CA West Coast Patriots Rally
"Stop the Warped (Leftists)" Rally
City Hall - across from the Civic Center Plaza.
Carlton Goodlett Place between McAllister St. and Grove St.
Bring your flags, signs and patriotism!
Please be aware, even though there may be police there, we are each responsible for our own safety.
Parking available at the Civic Center Parking Garage. BART stops a few blocks away. Cal-train + bus is also available.
Tuesday
10/29/2002

12pm
New York City Cipriani 42nd Street
110 East 42nd Street
New York, NY

New York FReePers Heads UP!!!
MICHAEL EISNER, the big cheese of Disney, and his family will be honored for their contributions to Jewish Home and Hospital.
Barbara Walters presides, as her friend, Elton John, that man of many events, entertains.
Cipriani 42nd Street is located at 110 East 42nd Street. It is situated on the South side of the Street between Lexington Avenue & Park Avenue.

A clutch of famous names - Gov. Gray Davis - native son of NY, Sens. Joseph Lieberman and Barbara Boxer, Barry Diller - will send special video tributes.
Updated 10:30 10/23/02
10 posted on 10/23/2002 10:29:55 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Poohbah
Don't know specifically what to tell you about guns, since it is a right (not a privilege), except that if stupid Demo's get to arm themselves, I by golly had better be able to do the same.

Having said that...

You'll get no argument from me on the matter of the stupidity of the general populace. I love Rush a lot; but when he's gone off on one of his "people are smart" rants, my eyes always glaze over. No they aren't, Rush. They're stupid.

I notice he says this a lot less since Clinton, and since Algore's statistical victory for the Presidency.

Dan

11 posted on 10/23/2002 10:30:05 AM PDT by BibChr
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