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Another conservative criticism of Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan
Freedom Works Blog and New York Times via United Liberty Blog ^ | October 7, 2011

Posted on 10/08/2011 5:51:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Earlier this week, I noted some of the criticism of Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan from conservative circles, Kevin Williamson of the National Review chalks it up as “wishful thinking that borders on fantasy,” while Dan Mitchell of the Cato Institute doesn’t like that it keeps the income tax in the tax code.

Dean Clancy, vice president of FreedomWorks — a leading tea party organization, sees good in the proposal; but notes that there are some glaring problems that could lay the precendent for bad tax policy in the future:

The first problem is that it doesn’t get rid of the income tax. In fact, it adds a new tax — a national sales tax — on top of the income tax. Cain clearly intends that eventually the income tax will be eliminated. But what’s to guarantee that outcome? And if we want to get rid of the income tax — and we should — why not do it right from the start? Is it possible that he realizes that if he did it all in one step, folks might not be as keen on the plan (say, because his national sales tax would have to be closer to 25% than 9%)?
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The second problem with Cain’s plan is more serious. The plan puts in place the infrastructure for a VAT — a Value Added Tax. That’s bad. Very bad.

A VAT is a form of national sales tax that is collected at every stage of the process from the initial gathering of raw materials to the final sale to the end consumer. It is the most insidious of all taxes, because it is built into the price of everything and consumers can’t see how much of the price is due to the tax. So when prices rise due to a tax hike, consumers assume it’s just prices rising due to market forces. Politicians love this about a VAT. They can take more money out of our wallets than with other, more transparent forms of taxation. Taxpayers should hate it for the very same reason.

European countries have much higher overall tax takes than does the United States. Why? Because the Europeans all have VATs, and we do not. Total receipts of the US Government since World War II have averaged about 18 percent of GDP and have never exceeded 20.9 percent (the peak, in 1944). By comparison, the “Big Six” European countries’ total receipts since the early 1970s when VATs became ubiquitous have not been less than 30 percent of GDP and today average a little over 40 percent! Twice as high as in the US.

Well, you say, Cain’s national sales tax isn’t a VAT. Okay, that’s true. But guess what? Europe’s first VATs all started out life as national sales taxes. Sales taxes are relatively easy to evade. VATs are much harder to evade. So sales taxes have a habit of evolving into VATs. That’s what happened in Europe. And it’s what will happen here, if we adopt Cain’s sales tax.

But Cain isn’t running on serious policy proposals. The guy knows how to market and pitch an idea; after all, the 9-9-9 plan is easy to remember and the one-liners that he is tossing out are catchy. This may be good for selling pizzas, but not for tax policy. And the lack of seriousness is best exemplified by his campaign, which has no campaign stops in early primary states this month:

[A]ccording to his public campaign calendar of events, where 19 of the 31 days of October are blank, there will not be much glad-handing in the immediate future. That is just fine with Mr. Cain, a former business executive who has recently surged to the top tier of candidates in early polls. The latest Quinnipiac University poll, released Wednesday, found Mitt Romney and Mr. Cain essentially tied within the poll’s margin of sampling error.

“I’m trying to run this campaign like a start-up business, which means lean and mean,” Mr. Cain said in an interview on Tuesday, wearing his signature black cowboy hat. “There’s a new sheriff in town.”
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But it is not clear that Mr. Cain, 65, has any particular plan to seize this moment, beyond using the attention to sell books. Like the other candidates vying to become credible alternatives to Mr. Romney and Mr. Perry, Mr. Cain is operating on a shoestring. He raised $2 million last spring. More money is coming in, he said, and he has 40 staff members, mostly in Southern states. Still, an adviser to the campaign said the campaign had only four people working in Iowa, and there is no plan to change strategy.

Many Republicans doubt this will be enough to launch Mr. Cain in the crucial early states, especially if he decides to avoid retail politics.

“No candidate can afford to spend two or three weeks not being in New Hampshire this year,” said Steve Duprey, a Republican National Committee member from the state. “He has not made as much progress organizing in New Hampshire as he could have, but there’s time.”

Cain defends this by saying he’s been to Iowa nearly 30 times since the beginning of the year. That’s fine, but organization is key and at least four other campaigns (Bachmann, Paul, Perry, and Romney) are investing time and/or money there. Not to mention that there are four other primaries/caucuses in January that Cain’s campaign needs to drop resources into.

With Cain you’ve got a master of the soundbyte that has the populist appeal to get his party’s base excited, yet his inexperience and lack of substance are real concerns. Wait, that reminds me of someone…Herman Cain is the Republican Barack Obama.



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9% national sales tax on top of state sales tax will drive the market underground.

How will this spur the economy?


41 posted on 10/08/2011 6:33:35 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds...our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live..

Thomas Jefferson

42 posted on 10/08/2011 6:35:51 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind
With Cain you’ve got a master of the soundbyte that has the populist appeal to get his party’s base excited, yet his inexperience and lack of substance are real concerns. Wait, that reminds me of someone…Herman Cain is the Republican Barack Obama.

Ouch.

43 posted on 10/08/2011 6:36:58 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: Netizen

I did, it said the government had to sell assets to fund the changeover.


44 posted on 10/08/2011 6:42:32 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: marty60

Maybe, but a vote for Romney is a vote for Progressive Taxation.

Romney Tax System = Obama Tax System.


45 posted on 10/08/2011 6:46:09 PM PDT by o2bfree
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Cain Makes no sense.

In Texas the sales tax is 8 3/4% add to that 9% National sales tax. That is 17 3/4% on food and drink as well as homes and cars and every necessity in life.

Then he wants to Phase this shizzle in. Tax us first on the National sales tax while leaving the present income tax in place and hope to educate “us” that we need to repeal the federal income tax.

Has he addressed the taxation of energy?

I am sorry Herman, You are losing me


46 posted on 10/08/2011 6:47:59 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: o2bfree

NO doubt on that one. Obama lite.


47 posted on 10/08/2011 6:47:59 PM PDT by marty60
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To: SeekAndFind

You are fighting so hard for the RINOs and socialists on FR, something tells me you’ll get zotted before the primary season is through.


48 posted on 10/08/2011 6:50:56 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: RobertClark
The tax plan assumes that the retirement system would be restructured to a largely self-sufficient system.

Funded by what? Cain's plan eliminates taxes that currently fund Social Security and don't replace it with anything that could go towards a retirement program of any kind.

49 posted on 10/08/2011 6:52:54 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: o2bfree

Socialists? What is Hermans “inner city empowerment zones” about?


50 posted on 10/08/2011 6:53:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: xzins
Love it all you want, but what guarantees that the income tax will be eliminated? or even lowered?

If it were coming from a RAT candidate, I would be skeptical. I am confident that Congress, the electorate as a whole, and soon the office of the POTUS has moved far enough to the right that it is a reasonable expectation to implement a new plan successfully.

51 posted on 10/08/2011 6:55:40 PM PDT by RobertClark (It's better to look goofy with a rifle, than civilized with an exit wound.)
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To: SoJoCo

I tell ya what.

9% national sales tax on top of state sales tax will screw everyone on a fixed income.
It will screw everyone period.

It will drive the economy underground.


52 posted on 10/08/2011 6:56:22 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind
This isn't a VAT. To say that this plan sets up a VAT is intellectually dishonest. If it wanted to, the Congress could set up a VAT tomorrow.
53 posted on 10/08/2011 6:59:21 PM PDT by Perdogg (I would vote for Pawnstar Chumlee, before I would vote for 0bama)
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To: RobertClark

So, you believe tax and spend politicians, the kind who’ve never seen a tax they didn’t like or a dollar they didn’t want to spend, are going to just up and legislate away the income tax????

Politicians are the devil.


54 posted on 10/08/2011 6:59:27 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: SoJoCo
Funded by what? Cain's plan eliminates taxes that currently fund Social Security and don't replace it with anything that could go towards a retirement program of any kind.

Go read about the Chilean system. It is funded by personal contributions to individual accounts. 10% to 15% is expected to be saved for your own retirement. Your accounts are paid by ..........

wait for it .........

wait for it.........

YOURSELF! What a novel and simple concept.

55 posted on 10/08/2011 6:59:44 PM PDT by RobertClark (It's better to look goofy with a rifle, than civilized with an exit wound.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cain's plan is the only one that deals with this:

The blue is the actual growth of the number of voters that pay zero in income tax over the past 25 years. The red is the projected growth based on the growth rate from 1984-2008 (it does not even take into account the fact that Obama accelerated the pace, so it's a conservative estimate).

The fact is, the tax plans being offered by all of the GOP candidates will add people to the non-taxpaying voter roles. We're at 47% now, what will the country be like it hits 55% or 60%? Just look at the Occupy-Wall-Street crowd to see the answer.

Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan is the only one that deals with this problem and rolls back the number of non-taxpaying voters.

Why We Need Herman Cain's 9-9-9 Plan

56 posted on 10/08/2011 7:00:45 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Why Not Herman Cain?)
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To: SeekAndFind
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57 posted on 10/08/2011 7:01:07 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: altura

I notice that you are from Costa Rica. Well, I’m a born and bred Texan and have lived in Texas for most of my life.

I can tell you from first hand experience, Perry is NOT always a conservative.

He’s done some things right, but he’s done a lot of things wrong, too. The worst thing he tried to do IMHO, was to try to divide the state in half from north to south with his proposal for a gargantuan highway which would have put hundreds of thousands of people out of work, and taken their land. Thank God that proposal was voted down.

Of course there the Gardasil thingee that I’m sure you are aware of.........

But the thing that right now bugs me the worst if his proposals for the illegal aliens inhabiting Texas right now. I don’t have the answer to that problem, but I know the answer is NOT anything he has proposed........


58 posted on 10/08/2011 7:01:16 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: upchuck

I have given up on that battle about the VAT. There is no way they are going to learn the difference.


59 posted on 10/08/2011 7:01:58 PM PDT by Perdogg (I would vote for Pawnstar Chumlee, before I would vote for 0bama)
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To: mylife
I tell ya what.

9% national sales tax on top of state sales tax will screw everyone on a fixed income. It will screw everyone period.

It will drive the economy underground.

How so? I pay 30% federal tax currently. 9% tax plus 9% sales tax on top of existing state and local sales taxes would still save me 12%.

It would force the lower income levels to actually pay some taxes - which they do not do currently. What is wrong with an expectation that all citizens have some skin in the game?

60 posted on 10/08/2011 7:02:58 PM PDT by RobertClark (It's better to look goofy with a rifle, than civilized with an exit wound.)
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