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With big win, Christie set to wield power on national stage (New chairman Nat'l GOP governors)
The Cranford Chronicle ^ | November 6, 2013 | Jenna Portnoy

Posted on 11/06/2013 2:36:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: entropy12
However as an incorrigible realist, as opposed to wishful thinking dreamer, I know immigration reform legislation is coming to the US. The president, senate, house democrats and lots of RINO’s in House we can not win against with barely half of the House. So I am fighting for the right type of amnesty. That is all that is possible based on reality on the ground.

BTW, what you call a realist, I call someone who is starting to capitulate.
61 posted on 11/06/2013 3:56:45 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

President Zero has already begun to push for immigration reform. He will try to shove it through before November 2014 elections. He already owns the senate. All he needs is a dozen repubs from House. Majority of voters do not place immigration issue anywhere the top of their list. Heck the Healthcare bill was opposed by every republican and it got passed. Winning election majorities has its consequences. You and I do not count. We can’t vote in the congress. Zero has 3 years left in power. That is a long time. Only way it gets stopped is if it gets postponed past 2014 elections, and enough repubs of the right kind get elected in 2014.


62 posted on 11/06/2013 3:57:58 PM PST by entropy12 (Obama is succeeding in destroying economy & healthcare, and exploding freebies to his voters)
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To: prisoner6

I will never vote for Christie or another RINO. I despise the RNC.


63 posted on 11/06/2013 3:58:29 PM PST by rcofdayton (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fat boy won’t escape the bowels of NJ.


64 posted on 11/06/2013 4:00:10 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: SoConPubbie

Dear pal, when you will reach my age past 70, you will be a hardened realist. I can bet on it. It is the only reason I am surviving in good standing. I was also a wishful thinking dreamer in my younger years.


65 posted on 11/06/2013 4:02:19 PM PST by entropy12 (Obama is succeeding in destroying economy & healthcare, and exploding freebies to his voters)
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To: NorthMountain

Cruz has not annouched he is running. Everyone assumes Cruz is running and that is that. As far as anyone knows he does not hve a committee testing the waters yet. We conservatives need to get behind the one imperfect candidate and not let faux conservatives and fakelibertarians fool us into tossing the real winner under the bus.


66 posted on 11/06/2013 4:11:21 PM PST by WilliamRobert (Rafael Cruz is an American hero, and he makes me proud to be Texan.)
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To: entropy12
Dear pal, when you will reach my age past 70, you will be a hardened realist. I can bet on it. It is the only reason I am surviving in good standing. I was also a wishful thinking dreamer in my younger years.

Then you need to park your aging butt on the sidelines and let us younger whippersnappers continue the fight.

Capitulation to evil is not an option, neither is giving up.

That's what you are starting to do.
67 posted on 11/06/2013 4:18:02 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: dfwgator

My liberal uncle thinks Christie is the one that can bring the country together.


68 posted on 11/06/2013 4:19:22 PM PST by Aquamarine
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To: WilliamRobert; NorthMountain
We conservatives need to get behind the one imperfect candidate and not let faux conservatives and fakelibertarians fool us into tossing the real winner under the bus.

Well, that means we need to drop Rand Paul with his Amnesty Plan.
69 posted on 11/06/2013 4:19:22 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

We better start doing it now because this country cannot take much more of the GOPe/ Dem selections for president.


70 posted on 11/06/2013 4:26:47 PM PST by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: Aquamarine
My liberal uncle thinks Christie is the one that can bring the country together.

That will change once the DNC starts spilling the dirt on Christie.

71 posted on 11/06/2013 4:33:47 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: wideawake; All
Many people on FR assumed that weak candidates like McCain and Romney would never prevail in the primary.

I remember it well. Plenty of others were on FR warning that Romney was going to get it, and were shrugged off. Very sad. Instead they legitimized Romney, made him "Republican." The wrong thing to do.

Don't let that same attitude saddle us with Christie.

Pro-actively support Cruz and position him -- absolutely. But also, and this is the dirty work no one wants to do, go on offense and hound the liberal Republicans, the ones who think "Republican" is barganing for the R side on Democrats' terms, out of the party. Either that or be prepared for a forced third party.

I don't like the threat of third party, but it doesn't care, just like it didn't care that Romney was going to rise from the dead after 2008 and get 2012. It happened regardless, some saw it coming, and I think moves have to be fast and aggressive to save the day in 2016 if it's going to be "Republican."

The face of the Republican party is a crap shoot, you don't really know what kind of government power you're voting for, just that it isn't Democrat. The face of the Democrat party is a sure bet -- Democrats know exactly what their votes will be pushing for.

But Republicans? What "brand"?

72 posted on 11/06/2013 4:48:47 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: SoConPubbie

Please keep up the fight! I have zero problem with you trying the impossible. Did you also fight to defund Obamacare? Hope you have not given up that fight also.


73 posted on 11/06/2013 4:49:28 PM PST by entropy12 (Obama is succeeding in destroying economy & healthcare, and exploding freebies to his voters)
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To: Finny

Romney never got above 30% of vote in primaries until his nomination became apparent. Let us face the truth...too many more conservative candidates split the vote clearing the path for the moderate from Massachusetts.

Why do I get this ominous feeling 2016 will be a repeat of 2012.


74 posted on 11/06/2013 4:53:06 PM PST by entropy12 (Obama is succeeding in destroying economy & healthcare, and exploding freebies to his voters)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
This time, we have a frontrunner. Cruz' only competition is Paul. But I think Cruz will prevail over him fairly easily.

I'm sorry, honest, but ... wake up. If so, great -- but really, what are the odds? If the next primaries go forward like the last ones, we're going to be exactly where we were when Romney got the nomination in 2012. What are you going to do then?

I don't have as much faith in that system as you do. I'm saying that unless something drastically changes, be prepared for a Christie-like nominee in 2016. And consider the problem now because it's headed our way.

75 posted on 11/06/2013 4:58:26 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: entropy12
Why do I get this ominous feeling 2016 will be a repeat of 2012.

Because you've got a brain? ;^)

76 posted on 11/06/2013 4:59:21 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: dfwgator

I told him that Christie couldn’t win without the conservative and Christian vote, that it would have to be Cruz for a win. Liberals know that group of voters didn’t turn out for McCain and Romney and won’t turn out for Christie either.


77 posted on 11/06/2013 5:01:52 PM PST by Aquamarine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let me get this straight: a so-called Republican governor in a state with a legislature totally controlled by Democrats, is a “win” for the GOP, while a Democrat governor in Virginia, in a state with a legislature now totally controlled by Republicans is a “loss” for the GOP?


78 posted on 11/06/2013 5:03:43 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

That is a GREAT point you just made! I did not learn from MSM that repubs won in Virginia legislature. They are hiding that news.


79 posted on 11/06/2013 8:00:03 PM PST by entropy12 (Obama is succeeding in destroying economy & healthcare, and exploding freebies to his voters)
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To: Finny
I don't have as much faith in that system as you do.

It's not that I have faith in the system, it's that, for the first time since Reagan, there isn't an obvious next-RINO-in-line. Christie Kreme is no Bob Dole, if you know what I mean. He'll get the Establishment money, but the Collaborator presidential machine is running behind schedule. And Cruz has taken the opportunity to take center stage.

Also, in the first time since Reagan, we have another Reagan: Cruz.

80 posted on 11/07/2013 9:06:46 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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