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Republicans lose 39-hour talkathon
WND ^ | 11/14/03

Posted on 11/14/2003 4:11:26 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Despite extending the unprecedented 30-hour talkathon on the Senate floor by more than nine hours, Republicans failed to force a vote on President Bush's three judicial nominees deemed too conservative for the American mainstream by Democrats.

Republicans launched the round-the-clock debate Wednesday night to counter Democratic filibusters on the nominations of Texas judge Priscilla Owen and California judges Carolyn Kuhl and Janice Rogers Brown.

At the outset, Democrats warned the Republican tactic wouldn't work.

"I'm terribly disappointed that we are spending the time of this institution on something like this when we need to be spending what little time we have on so many other questions," said Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., during the debate.

In the end, Republicans failed to muster the 60 votes needed to break the filibusters and advance the nominations, or "invoke cloture," as the procedure is called. Republicans hold 51 seats in the Senate.

The motions to invoke cloture for Owen and Brown both failed on a 53-42 vote. Kuhl's nomination was stalled by a 53-43 vote.

"What we just witnessed is a perfect illustration of how far the Senate has gone away from its tradition, how far people are willing to go in their partisan zeal to defeat really qualified candidates, nominees for the federal judiciary and how dangerous it is to do that," chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee Orin Hatch, R-Utah, commented in a press conference following the Senate action.

Yesterday, Bush called the Democrats efforts to block his nominees "shameful" and demanded the Senate give them an up or down vote.

President Bush promotes judicial nominees Carolyn Kuhl, Janice Brown, and Priscilla Owen in the Oval Office Nov. 13, 2003.

"I have told these three ladies I will stand with them to the bitter end because they're the absolute right pick for their respective positions," Bush told reporters in the Oval Office, while flanked by the three nominees. "The senators who are playing politics with their nominations are acting shamefully."

Bush nominated Owen for a seat on the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, Brown for the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia and Kuhl for the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

All three nominees were approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee and had enough bipartisan support to get the simple majority in a full-Senate vote needed to be confirmed.

Because of this, Sen. Lindsay Graham, the South Carolina Republican, accused Democrats of using Senate rules "in an unconstitutional manner."

Democrats countered this was just business as usual and argued Republicans used filibusters to block far more of President Clinton's judicial nominations.

The Senate has confirmed 168 Bush judicial nominees.

Democrats have blocked six Bush nominees, including Mississippi judge Charles Pickering, Alabama Attorney General William Pryor and Hispanic lawyer Miguel Estrada, who withdrew his nomination after losing nine filibuster votes.

Despite today's failed nominations, Republicans claim progress with the talkathon.

"I think one thing that was made clear here today is that this Senate – and a lot of these Senators who were there all night last night – will not stand by and allow the erosion of an independent judiciary, will not allow the politicization of the judiciary, and will stand and fight for it becaise it is a cornerstone of American liberty and American economic progress," Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., told reporters.

WorldNetDaily reported critics saw the "character assassination" of California Supreme Court Justice Brown by Senate Democrats – and by mainstream media outlets like the New York Times – was reminiscent of the failed Supreme Court nomination of Robert Bork and the contentious confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

Justice Brown

Brown, a 54-year-old black woman and daughter of a sharecropper from Alabama, showed tenacity in dealing with hostile questioning by Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee last month. Indeed she has been an outspoken opponent of racial preferences and a strong critic of government power grabs. In her tenure on California's high court, she wrote the principal opinion enforcing Proposition 209, the referendum prohibiting affirmative action programs. Although her colleagues agreed with her, some refused to join her opinion in the 2000 case, saying she had gone too far and had used needlessly scathing language in an effort to extend the proposition's reach.

A New York Times editorial called Brown "an archconservative" who "has declared war on the mainstream legal values that most Americans hold dear."

Syndicated columnist Thomas Sowell and others say the real agenda of the Senate Democrats, led By Sens. Dianne Feinstein of California, Dick Durbin of Illinois and Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and People for the American Way is to use the courts to legislate their own left-wing social agenda, which includes racial quotas and unrestricted abortion on demand.

"Judges who believe that their job is to uphold the Constitution, instead of replacing it with left-wing social engineering, are anathema to 'People for the American Way,'" writes Sowell. "That they are spearheading the character assassination of Justice Janice Rogers Brown is completely predictable."



TOPICS: Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: clintonappts; dems; erosion; filibuster; gop; judicialnominees; judiciary; marathon; obstructionists; talkathon; timewaste
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1 posted on 11/14/2003 4:11:26 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"I have told these three ladies I will stand with them to the bitter end because they're the absolute right pick for their respective positions," Bush told reporters in the Oval Office

Isn't it great that we have a president who can make such a statement, without inspiring a case of the giggles?

2 posted on 11/14/2003 4:21:42 PM PST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The talkathon had very little to do with getting democrats to change their votes. That is not going to happen.

This is about changing votes in senate elections in 2004.

If a few more votes of hispanics, blacks, and women can be pried away from the Democrats on this issue, it may be possible to pick up 5 or 6 seats in the senat in 2004.

If the pubies in the 2004 election can get to 55 or 56 seats they can threaten and bribe 5 or so demorat votes to override any filibuster.

There is no way a Democrat will change his vote before the election. But if 5 or 6 Democratic senators that helped defeat cloture are defeated at the polls next year, several of the surviving Demorats will fold and allow a vote. But if the PUbies can get 55 or 56 Republicans in the senate, they can bribe 4 or 5 DINOs to get anything they want.

That is what the 39 hours was about.

3 posted on 11/14/2003 4:27:52 PM PST by Common Tator (I support Billybob. www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Why only 30 hours? Why not 40, 50 or 60 hours, however long it takes. It would seem to me that if the Republicans want to pick a fight, they should be prepared to win!!
4 posted on 11/14/2003 4:30:28 PM PST by caisson71
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To: Common Tator
The talkathon had very little to do with getting democrats to change their votes. That is not going to happen. This is about changing votes in senate elections in 2004. If a few more votes of hispanics, blacks, and women can be pried away from the Democrats on this issue, it may be possible to pick up 5 or 6 seats in the senat in 2004.

I wish this would happen, but I don't think very many people were paying attention.
And I doubt if many people were aware that the judicial nominies in question were black or hispanic.

IMHO this publicity stunt was probably not very effective.

5 posted on 11/14/2003 4:37:33 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Common Tator
I'm NOT convinced by this weak display..

If the Republicans REALLY want to expose and discredit the lunatic Democrats behind this destructive practice - they would do something a LOT more effective than TALKING for hours...

It's long past time to get down and dirty with the bastards..

Force a REAL filibuster...
Demand the expulsion from the Senate for whomever was behind the Intelligence Committe "Memo".
Demand censure for that bloated, drunken murderous Kennedy..

Is the Republican Senate leaderless, or are they COMPROMISED by the FBI folders with the lovely Hillary?

In either event.....I am Unconvinced and Unimpressed..

Semper Fi
6 posted on 11/14/2003 4:39:21 PM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: Jorge
Perhaps the tactic would have been more effective if the time had been given over entirely to Democrat speakers, until they had all taken a turn of a couple of hours at the podium. With careful collection of every minute they were on. Then when the particular Senator that had droned on endlessly is running for re-election in his or her home state, run the clips including their most egregious statements (and there would have been plenty of examples from just about every one of them), as an "anti-campaign". Not by the Republicans, but as "public interest service stewardship".

Every day as political spot announcements for the week running up to election day.
7 posted on 11/14/2003 4:47:48 PM PST by alloysteel
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To: caisson71
Why not 39 DAYS like when the democrats fiabustered the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT!!

Come on. This was nothing but political posturing. I am sick of it.. from both sides!!

8 posted on 11/14/2003 4:48:03 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The RATS continue to hold a pistol to their heads, screaming..."Don't laugh, you all are next!"

As Napoleon once said, "Never distract your enemy when he is busy making a mistake!"

9 posted on 11/14/2003 4:50:08 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It really frosts me that Putzy Schumer and the other extreme leftists in the Democrat Party can say with a straight face that they know better than anyone else what constitutes the "mainstream" of America.
10 posted on 11/14/2003 5:00:59 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
So much for the "Frists of Fury"...

I am so NOT surprised. Thanks to the Senate pubbies for handing the Democrats a victory when they should be demoralized!


11 posted on 11/14/2003 5:09:40 PM PST by Prime Choice (This Post is Rated "Conservative": May Be Too Intense for Liberal Viewers.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Turnabout is fair play, if the conservatives will insist on returning the favor when the time presents itsself. This points up once again how critical the Congressional elections are in this country. The presidential elections are nothing but a cheap beauty contest. The only way to give liberals hell is to win the senate and house seats decisively. The closeness of the last elections is something we need to avoid by winning big in those races.
12 posted on 11/14/2003 5:24:37 PM PST by winker
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Why doesn't Frist simply say: "OK, if it's filibuster the democRATs want, it's filibuster they will have." Then force them to start talking. When they quit talking, filibuster is over, quorum is called and vote taken.

I don't see why 40% has to have such a hold on senate business. What am I missing?

13 posted on 11/14/2003 5:34:46 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Common Tator
"This is about changing votes in senate elections in 2004."

I'm glad you were able to make some sense of it because, frankly, the entire excercise made no sense to me. Unless of course Frist wanted to demonstrate just how impotent the GOP is in the senate, in which case it was a resounding success.

14 posted on 11/14/2003 5:40:03 PM PST by Pietro
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
15 posted on 11/14/2003 5:53:19 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Common Tator
No. Actually, I expect, when the GOP picks up a few Senate seats, they will open the next Congress by clearly stating in the rules that judicial nominees cannot be filibustered. Although the Senate typically requires 2/3 majority to set the rules each Congress, that is clearly unconstitutional as no new Congress is bound by rules set by a previous Congress. That is when things will change.
16 posted on 11/14/2003 5:58:31 PM PST by Timmy
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To: caisson71

If they were really serious, the Republicans should have kept the Senate in session for at least a week and made the Dems miss the Hillary Extravaganza in Iowa this weekend. That's how the Democrats would have played the game had the roles been reversed.
17 posted on 11/14/2003 5:59:37 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Democrats countered this was just business as usual and argued Republicans used filibusters to block far more of President Clinton's judicial nominations.

As far I know, this is another lie. Didn't these judges lose on an up/down vote allowed by the pubs?...Please correct me if I'm misinformed.

FMCDH

18 posted on 11/14/2003 6:16:11 PM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: river rat
Bump What you said.

FMCDH

19 posted on 11/14/2003 6:19:31 PM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: nightdriver
I don't see why 40% has to have such a hold on senate business. What am I missing?

Frist can't force them to talk. Under the Senate rules, a vote on the nominations can be held in one of two ways: (1) there is unanimous consent to hold the vote, or (2) 60 senators vote to limit debate and have the vote.

To beat #1, the Dems only need to have one person present to object when the Frist asks for a vote. The Dem doesn't even have to talk. Under the rules, he can object and then ask for a quorum call, which takes 15 minutes. He can repeat this process indefinitely. That's why 40 votes are needed.

20 posted on 11/14/2003 6:24:50 PM PST by the bottle let me down (Still tilting at windmills)
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