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General Zinni, what a Ninny
townhall.com ^ | December 31, 2003 | Joel Mowbray

Posted on 12/31/2003 3:05:52 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Discussing the Iraq war with the Washington Post last week, former General Anthony Zinni took the path chosen by so many anti-Semites: he blamed it on the Jews.

Neither President Bush nor Vice-President Cheney—nor for that matter Zinni’s old friend, Secretary of State Colin Powell—was to blame. It was the Jews. They “captured” both Bush and Cheney, and Powell was merely being a “good soldier.”

Technically, the former head of the Central Command in the Middle East didn’t say “Jews.” He instead used a term that has become a new favorite for anti-Semites: “neoconservatives.” As the name implies, “neoconservative” was originally meant to denote someone who is a newcomer to the right. In the 90’s, many people self-identified themselves as “neocons,” but today that term has become synonymous with “Jews.”

And if anybody should know better, it’s Gen. Zinni. It is well-known that those who are labeled “neocons” within the administration—whether the number-two official at the Pentagon, Paul Wolfowitz, or undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith—are almost always Jews.

Sadly typical is a Business Week article this May that identified Wolfowitz, Feith, Defense Policy Board member Richard Perle, former Reagan administration official Ken Adelman and Weekly Standard editor William Kristol—all Jews—as “neocons,” yet Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld—neither one Jewish—as simply “key allies.” Policy beliefs and worldviews were not different between these two groups; only religion distinguishes them.

Given that the “neocons” do not control the Departments of State or Defense nor the National Security Council—gentiles all head those agencies—and given that the White House is clearly run by non-Jews, how is it that Zinni claims that the “neocons” were responsible for the U.S. liberating Iraq? As he explains to the Post, “Somehow, the neocons captured the president. They captured the vice president.”

And the Post piece uses dramatic language when discussing Zinni’s views on the “neocons”:

“The more he listened to Wolfowitz and other administration officials talk about Iraq, the more Zinni became convinced that interventionist ‘neoconservative’ ideologues were plunging the nation into a war in a part of the world they didn’t understand.”

Zinni’s comments are eerily similar to those made by former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad at the Organization of the Islamic Conference summit this October. In a speech that drew a standing ovation from the leaders of Muslim nations in attendance, Mahathir remarked, “Today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.”

Since Jews make up roughly 2% of the American population and less than a fraction of one percent of the world’s—yet attract disproportionately more of the world’s bigoted venom—the only way to perpetuate the hatred of Jews that has existed for centuries is to blame them for controlling vital industries, “ruling the world by proxy,” or by “capturing” the leader of the free world and his likewise freely elected vice-president.

Let’s suppose for a moment that Zinni, who could not be reached for comment, had no idea that “neocon” has become code for “Jew.” At best, his statements were simply ludicrous. Both Cheney and Bush had full knowledge of the unabated evil of Saddam Hussein—the former even having helped lead the Gulf War as the Secretary of Defense—and neither needed to be “captured” by anyone to understand the need to rid the world of Saddam’s tyranny.

But now let’s suppose Zinni has at least minimal common sense and at least passively follows Washington politics. In that instance, Zinni’s comments are not much different than Mahathir’s—and just as inaccurate. As anyone with even a passing knowledge of the administration can tell you, the president and the vice-president were probably the two biggest advocates for liberating Iraq. Even at the staff level, the majority of the leading “hawks” were gentiles such as National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice and White House chief of staff Andrew Card.

It’s a shame that someone who so honorably served his nation for three decades would tarnish his legacy with such idiotic remarks. If he didn’t mean to use “neocon” as a code word for “Jew,” he should say so. But if he meant to, then he should just shut up.


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1 posted on 12/31/2003 3:05:53 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Zinni became convinced that interventionist ‘neoconservative’ ideologues were plunging the nation into a war in a part of the world they didn’t understand.”

What makes people think that just because they don't understand something it means that no one else does either?

2 posted on 12/31/2003 3:09:39 PM PST by marron
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If "neocon" is code for "Jew", then why do most Jews vote for the liberal scumbag in any election? Are there some neocon liberals I don't know about?
3 posted on 12/31/2003 3:11:44 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In Vietnam the General was shot three times, kind of wonder if he didn't take all three rounds to the brain.
4 posted on 12/31/2003 3:12:36 PM PST by U S Army EOD (When the EOD technician screws up, he is always the first to notice.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Funny, I don't look Jewish -- and I'm not. Yet see my Tagline.

It's just too easy throughout history to blame the Jooz.

5 posted on 12/31/2003 3:16:49 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neoconservative Power Vortex)
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To: Dog Gone
Because by and large the neocons were once liberals before they "grew up" or learned to think for themselves.
6 posted on 12/31/2003 3:19:20 PM PST by The Electrician
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To: U S Army EOD
In Vietnam the General was shot three times, kind of wonder if he didn't take all three rounds to the brain.

Pre frontal lobe for sure.

7 posted on 12/31/2003 3:21:23 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Dog Gone
Technically, the former head of the Central Command in the Middle East didn't say 'Jews.' He instead used a term that has become a new favorite for anti-Semites: 'neoconservatives.' As the name implies, 'neoconservative' was originally meant to denote someone who is a newcomer to the right. In the 90?s, many people self-identified themselves as 'neocons,' but today that term has become synonymous with 'Jews.'

What bothers me about this is that it's as if they're trying to make neoconservatives a protected class that can't be talked about negatively. If you oppose neoconservative policy, you're a closet racist? C'mon, save the race card for the people without arguments.

8 posted on 12/31/2003 3:33:25 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Zinni was a complete failure when he went to the middle east to 'help' with the peace process. Somehow, rather than blame the Palestinians he is blaming the jews.

PATHETIC!

9 posted on 12/31/2003 3:34:12 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Gunslingr3
If you oppose neoconservative policy, you're a closet racist? C'mon, save the race card for the people without arguments.

If you only mention Jews by name, as Zinni did, and Buchanan often does, what is one to think?

There are LOTS of "neoconservatives" who aren't Jews, yet it is always Perle and Wolfowitz who are mentioned by the critics.

Get creative, or risk the accusation.

10 posted on 12/31/2003 3:37:06 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Gunslingr3
And the flip side of that argument, if true, is that you can't hold a particular political philosophy without being Jewish.

Not only is such an assertion factually incorrect, it's racist as hell.

11 posted on 12/31/2003 3:38:48 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
If "neocon" is code for "Jew", then why do most Jews vote for the liberal scumbag in any election?

I guess that's what Zinni might say, leaving out the word scumbag. I'm not saying that Dog Gone is anything like Zinni, or that he is wrong, just that Zinni might say that.

In my opinion, the heart of Zinni's remarks is as follows: Zinni thinks that the United States is run by these idiots, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, who are controlled by a small cabal of smarter people. Now, if Zinni wasn't thinking Jew, then it would not have been anti-semetic. However, it still would have come out of the same kind of paranoid socialism-of-fools thinking.

What about what Dog Gone says about the Jews? That's just plain true. Why is speculation; hopefully it is on the road to ending, but I have my doubts.

12 posted on 12/31/2003 3:41:59 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: sinkspur
There are LOTS of "neoconservatives" who aren't Jews, yet it is always Perle and Wolfowitz who are mentioned by the critics.

But Perle and Wolfowitz are in positions of power and are the ones crafting and implementing (neoconservative) policy. Of course they're getting mentioned by name. Until this article I honestly had no clue Kristol was Jewish (is he actually?). But he's definitely in the fore of our political culture, and I'd like to think I can disagree with his neoconservative policy views concerning American hegemony (Pax Americana, whatever you want to call it) without being called a racist. That's the kind of distraction the Left engages in, when you critize someone like Jesse Jackson or Julian Bond for the policies they advocate and get called a racist. It lets the accuser dodge responding to the policy arguments and instead divert focus to ad-hominem attacks on the opponent.

13 posted on 12/31/2003 3:44:16 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Guns, the problem here is Zinni's developing Wesley Clark disease. His immediately leaping on the neo-con excuse simply exacerbates it. Do I appreciate Zinni's past service? Of course.Do I think he is being disingenuous at best and frankly seditious ate worst,? Yes. He is about to enter that Admiral Crowe world of slighted flag officers with wadded panties.
14 posted on 12/31/2003 3:45:39 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Gunslingr3
But Perle and Wolfowitz are in positions of power

Perle is not in the administration in any position.

Look, you are free to criticize neocons. But when people go out of their way to mention certain neocons by name, and they are all Jews, you can be pretty sure what underlies some of the criticism.

15 posted on 12/31/2003 3:48:27 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: gatorbait
ADM Crowe got an ambassadorship to London as a reward. Zinni is hoping for something similar if the Dems get into power. He has burned his bridges with the GOP.
16 posted on 12/31/2003 3:52:25 PM PST by kabar
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To: Gunslingr3
What bothers me about this is that it's as if they're trying to make neoconservatives a protected class that can't be talked about negatively.

If Joel Mowbray isn't a neoconservative, nobody is. Why can't he defend himself? If you stay away from nastiness and insults, you can say whatever you want, and, as Zinni shows, you can probably even get away with insults and nastiness when you keep it a bit ambiguous.

17 posted on 12/31/2003 3:58:14 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: sinkspur
Perle is not in the administration in any position.

I try to be precise, I said, "But Perle and Wolfowitz are in positions of power and are the ones crafting and implementing (neoconservative) policy." Richard Perle is the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, an advisory panel to the Pentagon made up of leading figures in national security and defense, at least according to the info available to me. I consider that a position of power, and one crafting policy. Certainly more so than any of us posting here on FR.

18 posted on 12/31/2003 3:59:00 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: kabar
Zinni is hoping for something similar if the Dems get into power. He has burned his bridges with the GOP.

Ambassador to Palestine,maybe? I wish I understood this.It makes me think Zinni had some juicy notes in his FBI files.

19 posted on 12/31/2003 4:08:11 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Gunslingr3
. . . I'd like to think I can disagree with his neoconservative policy views concerning American hegemony (Pax Americana, whatever you want to call it) without being called a racist.

There is nothing in the least racist about this comment. However, it doesn't seem all that pro-American either. The US is the most powerful country in the world, and as most powerful nations go historically, we are the least colonialist. The US wants nothing better than to turn over Iraq to the Iraqi people, so long as they don't bring back the terrorist training camps complete with 707 (and I haven't heard there's any controversy over that one).

20 posted on 12/31/2003 4:08:18 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: gatorbait
His immediately leaping on the neo-con excuse simply exacerbates it.

But wait a second. For whatever reason (I don't know how that label evolved) the people who advocate the policy of aggressive military action with the goal of instituting Pax Americana are called neocons. If you disgree with that policy, and name it's implementers and adherents, you shouldn't be called a racist just because some of them are Jewish. I see this as neocons playing the 'race' card to chill dissent, and that bothers me as much as if anyone else was doing it.

21 posted on 12/31/2003 4:09:39 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Well ,the problem,Guns , is this. Zinni, and some others ,HAVE dealt that card and it seems to suit them fine to do so. Now,it is also instructive when Zinni is called on his cassadraisms, he gets flustered and gets a hostile and starts shouting "race card".

I think Zinni is hacked off becasue HE was a failure in the long term, his advice was rightly ignored at the highest levels , and that 4 star ego cannot stand that.
22 posted on 12/31/2003 4:13:29 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Zinni was negligent in the deaths of the USS Cole sailors. He and his yemeni embassy sidekick, Barbara Bodein(Bodeit?..sp).

23 posted on 12/31/2003 4:17:43 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: gatorbait
the problem here is Zinni's developing Wesley Clark disease.

I think your closer then you think. I expect his name to pop up big time after the dems have there nominee. The lefty's are starting to drool over the possibility of having a Dean/Zinni ticket (now that Clark has killed any chance it could be him as VP, someone has got to teach that boy politics).

Zinni as a Dean running mate, could do some damage. (though he was a republican, did vote for Bush, yada yada yada, now regrets it, etc).

24 posted on 12/31/2003 4:21:23 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Zinni had bad combat experience in 'nam.

Unfortunately it seems to have rendered him unuseful in today's far more serious world.
25 posted on 12/31/2003 4:21:53 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Gunslingr3
But wait a second. For whatever reason (I don't know how that label evolved) the people who advocate the policy of aggressive military action with the goal of instituting Pax Americana are called neocons. If you disgree with that policy, and name it's implementers and adherents, you shouldn't be called a racist just because some of them are Jewish. I see this as neocons playing the 'race' card to chill dissent, and that bothers me as much as if anyone else was doing it.

I'm old enough to have heard the phrases "chill dissent" and "pax Americana" though five decades. And they have just about always been phrases of the left. Gunslingr3 sounds like he is a foreign policy leftist. That's not an insult, and I'll also mention that Gunslingr3 may also be a good conservative on domestic policy. However, I would just point out that favoring a strong and assertive America has been solid conservativism in the US since before Goldwater, and certainly since then.

26 posted on 12/31/2003 4:30:24 PM PST by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Sonny M
Zinni as a Dean running mate, could do some damage. (though he was a republican, did vote for Bush, yada yada yada, now regrets it, etc).

My God, that is a brilliant assessment and I think quite accurate. Let's hope the opposition research guys are watching this closely.

27 posted on 12/31/2003 4:31:41 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: aculeus
"Zinni had bad combat experience in 'nam."

Not as bad as the sailors on the USS Cole.

28 posted on 12/31/2003 4:33:35 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Steve Eisenberg; Dog Gone
If the % of Jewish vote for Republicans doesn't show a substantial improvement in 2004, I'll be surprised. However, I've been surprised before.

As recent elections show, it can't get much worse.
29 posted on 12/31/2003 4:33:36 PM PST by Akira (Blessed are the cheesemakers.)
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To: Steve Eisenberg
Gunslingr3 sounds like he is a foreign policy leftist.

Read George Washington's Farewell Address. Read John Quincy Adams' 'Monsters to Destroy' speech. They encapsulate my foreign policy views. If that's 'leftist', well, whatever...

30 posted on 12/31/2003 4:33:54 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: gatorbait
I hope the GOP is already ahead of the game and doing research on Zinni. Its been pretty clear that if Dean wins, he's not going to be able to have anyone he ran in the primary with as his running mate, he's an outsider, and Zinni fits the mold perfect also as an outsider, kind of Clark but without the baggage and better credentials, plus he calls himself a moderate.

Even if its Gephardt that wins, Zinni is still a good possibility. Rove and the boys had better be on top of this.
31 posted on 12/31/2003 4:40:19 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
Rove and the boys had better be on top of this.

My guess is that they already are looking at Zinni with renewed vigor

32 posted on 12/31/2003 4:42:01 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Zinni suffers from a disorder similar to that of William S Lind, from the Free Congress Foundation. Isolationism combined with a know-it-all attitude about war and human nature, with a sense of resentment for not being given a top job in the Bush cabinet.
33 posted on 12/31/2003 4:42:03 PM PST by Corinthian Warrior
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It’s a shame that someone who so honorably served his nation for three decades would tarnish his legacy with such idiotic remarks. If he didn’t mean to use “neocon” as a code word for “Jew,” he should say so. But if he meant to, then he should just shut up.

Maybe his service was not as honorably as the author would hope.

34 posted on 12/31/2003 4:44:43 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
honorably honorable
35 posted on 12/31/2003 4:45:09 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Dog Gone
Indeed, the NY Jews did a lot to put hillary in the US Senate. Now they will reap the whirlwind, as will as zinni for getting too close to the evil ones.
36 posted on 12/31/2003 5:16:15 PM PST by desertcry
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To: U S Army EOD
I think, you got something there.
37 posted on 12/31/2003 5:17:42 PM PST by desertcry
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To: af_vet_1981
The trashing of Gen Zinni on this post is intolerable

Gen Zinni is one of the finest general officers I have known or served under.

I would follow him in combat any day

I would also trust him to make the operational decisions in any war.

Strategic decisions are the relam of the NSC and ultimately, the president.

Had Zinni been CINCCENT he would have probably advised against the campaign (Al-La Yamamoto at Pearl Harbor) and then taken his orders and prosecuted it brilliantly

As it was we were micromanaged by OSD to the point of distraction

We've come as far as we have IN SPITE of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and all the OSD crowd. Not because of them.

I disagree with Zinni on his position about the strategic timing of the war

But I know his position is well considered and thoughtful. He's 40/60 against, I'm 60/40 for

Having reached Baghdad right behind the 3ID and spent a good deal of time in liberated Iraq, I can say that we did a good thing and most Iraqis appreciate it.

But we made a lot of mistakes in both the prosecution of the war and especially in the postwar stand up of OCPA and the reliance on contractors

All of which was OSD (Rumsfeld - Wolfowitz) driven.

If the military had been left in charge we'd be a lot farther along now

Worst micromanagement from OSD since McNamara

I was so happy when Bush got elected. Finally, I'd thought we'll get some adults in the pentagon instead of these dillitante amateurs

Instead I find all we did was trade cowardly dillitante amateurs for bellicose dillitante amateurs

I'll vote for Bush again, we've absolutely no choice, but I'll feel a whole lot better if he ditches his OSD crew

The people on this thread who say insulting things about Gen Zinni malign a good man.

All the best

Qatar-6

38 posted on 12/31/2003 5:59:26 PM PST by Qatar-6
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To: Qatar-6
I would also trust him to make the operational decisions in any war. Strategic decisions are the relam of the NSC and ultimately, the president

We're in agreement here.Where I find Zinni deficient is the timing and the public bleating. Frankly,THAT choice leads me to conclude he is suffering from advanced Croweitis. Now,I'm glad to hear your confidence in the general.I agree, he'd do his job well enough. I disagree with Zinni on his position about the strategic timing of the war

This is the crux of my"trashing" of Zinni,and I'd say a good bit of those of us who served before, while and after he did.His timing and motivation are highly suspect. Thanks for the job you did.Were you around in the McNamera days? I was.

39 posted on 12/31/2003 6:07:44 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: desertcry
I can't really see the connection between General Zinni and anti-semitism. The article specifically says that he did not use the word "Jew" in his remarks. He opposed some of the neocons by using the word "neocon". I don't think that Rumsfeld or Cheney are "Jews" but they are the top leadership of the hawks or neocons.

How can anyone complaining of their actions be accused of anti-semitism? Another question, after getting past the anti-semitism, does a "Jew" that does not believe zionism has been a success in establishing Israel and the resulting problems, is he anti-semitic? Phrases just get tossed around like trash in a dumpster with no thought given to the meaning. The neocons running under the banner of anti-semitism does not honor either side of the issues involved.

40 posted on 12/31/2003 6:46:14 PM PST by meenie (Remember the Alamo! Alamo! One more time. Alamo!!!)
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To: gatorbait
To me his motivatrion is honest

Having served under the man and gotten to know him I can honestly say he doesn't have a political bone in his body

I was amazed he took the Palestine job. Effort was doomed to failure before it began

A politically astute person would have known that

Serving at the pleasure of the President I guess he felt there wasn't much choice

A more politically savvy person would have begged out

No, I believe the man is just telling the truth as he sees it

To answer your question, during the MacNamara days all I could shoot was a BB gun

Studied it a lot though (Vietnam). Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz are actually worse for my money

The missed opportunities would make you weep

We're still winning though.

All the best

Qatar-6

41 posted on 12/31/2003 6:48:10 PM PST by Qatar-6
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To: Qatar-6
I disagree with Zinni on his position about the strategic timing of the war But I know his position is well considered and thoughtful. He's 40/60 against, I'm 60/40 for

He is publicly trashing the President during time of war. That either makes him a Democrat like Clark or he is shilling for Arab client states who he favors in the ME. Otherwise he would shut up.

42 posted on 12/31/2003 7:11:35 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Qatar-6
I was amazed he took the Palestine job.

Exactly whose army do you serve in ?

43 posted on 12/31/2003 7:12:14 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: desertcry
Indeed, the NY Jews did a lot to put hillary in the US Senate. Now they will reap the whirlwind,

What are you blaming Jews for this time ? What percent of the NY voting population do you think they are ? Are you calling for more towers to come down in NY to punish them ?

44 posted on 12/31/2003 7:14:36 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Qatar-6
We've come as far as we have IN SPITE of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and all the OSD crowd. Not because of them.

Without them Saddam Hussein would still rule Iraq and Zinni's favorite client states would be that much closer to WMDs.

45 posted on 12/31/2003 7:22:04 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Qatar-6
We're still winning though.

In spite of Clark, Zinni, Scowcroft, and Clinton

46 posted on 12/31/2003 7:22:54 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
I don't think he's trashing the president

He's trashing Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and as a participant in both OEF and OIF I can tell you they deserve it

It must be nice to be so certain about everything

Out of curiousity, how much time have you spent in the Middle East?

Just wondering

Qatar-6

47 posted on 12/31/2003 7:25:24 PM PST by Qatar-6
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To: Gunslingr3
What do you expect from neocons since they came from the left? PS: Richard Perle is still a Democrat while being a neocon. Neocon meaning Jew is a new invention used by neocons to shut up paleocons.
48 posted on 12/31/2003 7:29:06 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Neoconservative Outed Alert! That's me and I backed the War even before it began. And of course every one knows my ethnic affiliation. For heaven's sake, can't General Zinni contribute something constructive to our involvement in Iraq besides the Jews' angle? Cause I've heard it all before.
49 posted on 12/31/2003 7:29:35 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: af_vet_1981; Qatar-6
Af, points well made , but qatar makes some good points as well. What I realized and and maybe you see it too , is which paper published this and whose by line.You know Ricks hates us and hates the President. NOW I wonder how much of Zinni's critiques are being edited for distribution.

Let's look at that as well.

Again,I do wish the general had not gone to these people.
50 posted on 12/31/2003 7:36:40 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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