Siberian Graveyard's Secret (More Redheads)

International Herald Tribune ^ | 1-8-2003

[Cronos]

The Vikings were EVERYWHERE.

True, they did plunder north Africa, but then they were only the latest in a long line of invaders which included Arabs, Romans, VAndals, Celts, etc.

[Cronos]

Wasn't it around 614BC that the Assyrians took the Northern Tribes captive and moved them into this area?

The Indo-Europeans and the Medes in particular were in Northern Iran right from at least the 3rd millenium BC. I seriously doubt the Kurds have any semitic roots

mosul is not Nineveh -- Nineveh was rediscovered by a British archaelogist in the 19th century when he brought the columns, statues etc back tot he British museum in london

[Cronos]

St. Augustine was a North African. He was not Arab, nor were the Carthaginians.

The Cathaginians were Phoenicians, in fact Carthage was originally a colony of Tyre in Lebanon -- the Carthaginians would have been Semitic/Canaanite in origin

[Cronos]

There are views that hte Picts were black (hence the reason for the name the colored people -- viz. the Romans named them Pict for Pictured people (well that's close enuff to the Latin, I suppose!))

[blam]

"Blam -- you should stop reading 18th century British propaganda. Celts are an Aryan people, the Northern Tribes were Semitic."

I picked that up from FReeper 'LostTribe', remember him?

[blam]

"mosul is not Nineveh -- Nineveh was rediscovered by a British archaelogist in the 19th century when he brought the columns, statues etc back tot he British museum in london"

Okay. It is very close though.

[RightWhale]

Hate to put the damper on those speculations

Don't worry. Can't be done.

[Cronos]

Yers, he got banned for some reason, wonder why -- he was pretty strange but he was funny.

[Cronos]

You are correct -- Mosul would be near Nineveh. However, I did pooh-pooh the idea that they would be one and the same city because Nineveh, like Carthage in a way, was destroyed by its enemies and forgotten. The longest, continuously lived in city in the world, is, however, near that place -- Damascus.

[yarddog]

My Son-in-Law and Daughter's best friend is Jewish. My Daughter has red hair.

One day we were playing spades and began to discuss people with red hair. The The Jewish guy said King David had red hair.

Well I looked it up and there are several references on the internet that state he had red hair. In the Bible it simply says he had a ruddy complexion.

[blam]

"I've not read or reviewed it, and wonder if anyone here has read Elizabeth Wayland Barber's The Mummies of Urumchi.

Yes, I've read it three times. It is an excellent book.

Victor Mair recruited a number of experts to go examine the Caucasian mummies he discovered in the back-room of the Urumchi museum. Barber was one of those (textile) experts.
J. P. Malloy and Victor Mair wrote a book, The Tarim Mummies, about the same subject and is even better than Barber's book. As FReeper JimSEA said, "I couldn't put it down." I've read it 2-3 times too.

[blam]

"One day we were playing spades and began to discuss people with red hair. The The Jewish guy said King David had red hair."

Someone posted articles and pictures the other day on one of these threads that showed and said that a number of the Egyptian pharohs(sp)were red-headed too.

[blam]

" Their origin is probably Semitic though some references trace them back to as far away as India about 10,000 BC."

Makes sense to me as I'm beginning to think they (people with the red-headed gene) dispersed from Sundaland (or that region) in southeast Asia at the end of the Ice Age.

Stephen Oppenheimer (Eden In The East) believes the original Sumerians and Egyptians were refugees from the sunken Sundaland.

[SunkenCiv]

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The Tarim Mummies: Ancient China and the Mystery of the Earliest Peoples from the West by J. P. Mallory and Victor H. Mair	The Mummies of Urumchi by Elizabeth Wayland Barber

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[SunkenCiv]

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[muawiyah]

Regarding the initial story here Siberia is a really big place!

[muawiyah]

The Scanderhoovians had been into taking slaves among the Irish, Welsh, Scots and others for so long that by 1066 they actually had a whole country (Normandy) and were seizing all of England.

No doubt red heads made it into the Scanderhoovian woodpile at an early date and would undoubtedly have accompanied any push to the Far East.

[muawiyah]

Persians and Azeris are ethnically semitic, but Indo-European languages were forced on them by a relatively small conquering force that left few genetic markers.

[ScratInTheHat]

Hate to put a jab in here but Byblos (5000 BC) can be dated to just before Damascus (4500 BC) as far as a continuously inhabited city. There is an ongoing dispute on this. Damascus dates older by artifact but does not clearly show continuous habitation.

[Cronos]

hmm.... isn’t Byblos in Lebanon? Is it still being lived in? hmm... I ought to read up more on that. thanks!