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Federal Court Upholds D.C. Hand Gun Ban
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Posted on 01/15/2004 5:26:10 AM PST by chance33_98

Federal Court Upholds D.C. Hand Gun Ban

By MARTY NILAND Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - A federal judge on Wednesday upheld the District of Columbia's gun control law that prohibits ownership of handguns, rejecting a legal challenge by a group of citizens backed by the National Rifle Association.

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton dismissed the lawsuit in which the plaintiffs argued that the 28-year-old law violated their Second Amendment right to own guns. The D.C. law prohibits ownership or possession of handguns and requires that others, such as shotguns, be kept unloaded, disassembled or equipped with trigger locks.

Walton ruled that the Second Amendment is not a broad-based right of gun ownership.

"The Second Amendment does not confer an individual a right to possess firearms. Rather, the Amendment's objective is to ensure the vitality of state militias," Walton wrote.

He went on to say that the amendment was designed to protect the citizens against a potentially oppressive federal government.

He also ruled that the Second Amendment does not apply to the district because it was intended to protect state citizens, and the district is not a state.

A gun control advocate welcomed the ruling.

"It's a big victory for those who overwhelmingly believe that we need fewer guns on our streets, not more," said Matt Nosanchuk, a spokesman for the Violence Policy Center.

Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman, said the group's lawyers had not seen the ruling on Wednesday night but noted that other courts have taken the opposite opinion.

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On the Net:

National Rifle Association: http://www.nra.org

Violence Policy Center: http://www.vpc.org


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To: chance33_98
Full text of the opinion available (pdf format) here.
101 posted on 01/15/2004 4:48:01 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: chance33_98
NUTS !
102 posted on 01/15/2004 4:55:27 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Ancesthntr
Nice essay you wrote.

I'd also say the judge's logic is a little deficient:

"The Second Amendment does not confer an individual a right to possess firearms. Rather, the Amendment's objective is to ensure the vitality of state militias," Walton wrote."

How does the idiot suppose the vitality of the state militias can be insured if the citizenry is unarmed.

Not to mention that it's a stretch to think the words "the right to bear arms shall not be abridged" refers to the right of any government agency to bear arms.

To believe such a thing is to believe that the Bill of Rights includes rights for the government, which presumably a leftist thinks it would need to protect itself from the citizens.

Walton is not an American in spirit.

103 posted on 01/15/2004 5:03:05 PM PST by Sam Cree (democrats are herd animals)
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To: Ancesthntr
You guys might be interested in Post #91. Sorry, forgot to ping you when I wrote it.

Very interested. Thanks for the ping.

Linguistically, I've gotta agree with you. However, from a legislative standpoint, not to mention the political activism one, it is also moot. The gun-grabbers will cite this up and down as more evidence and the legislators will start dreaming up their next piece of onerous dreck.

Even his semantic slip aside, he refused to agree that "We the People" had a Right to property and no Right to to tools to protect ourselves. The ban stands and the hoplophobes trying to disarm us all have one more chunk of rock to throw at us.

Thanks to a Bush appointee.

104 posted on 01/15/2004 5:09:02 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Ancesthntr
Damn fine post, sir.

FReegards

105 posted on 01/15/2004 5:21:48 PM PST by MileHi
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To: 45Auto
I think that D.C. comes under the jurisdiction of the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals; if so, what does the current makeup of that court look like? And what are the chances that honesty will prevail?

Not bad. I read that the Circuit Court for D.C. has interpreted The Bill of Rights to protect individual rights. I tried to make the link in this comment, but I can't. It's the third thread on the *bang_list about this decision.

106 posted on 01/15/2004 5:27:54 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Mr. Mojo
And surprise surprise .....the judge is a Bush appointee

He is also a Reagan appointee.

108 posted on 01/15/2004 5:34:49 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
I know .....depressing.
109 posted on 01/15/2004 5:35:26 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: blau993; Dead Corpse; Lurking Libertarian
I might be wrong, but I remember that one of the lawyers for Silveira successfully argued Roe v. Wade before SCOTUS. I think he just died recently, but I can't remember his name.
111 posted on 01/15/2004 5:40:34 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Travis McGee
There it is, in black and white.

And on the other side is the Bill of Rights, also in black in white.

The train wreck is not far off.

113 posted on 01/15/2004 6:04:57 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Ancesthntr
Most excellent post!

The 2nd Amendment doesn't confer/create ANY individual rights, it protects those pre-existing rights against government infringement.

I've chastized people over the confer/create thing here many times (...they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights). Good point.

However, in a Federal judge who is an attorney, who is supposed to be especially knowledgable in the law (or else be particularly able to look it up and understand it), whose very job is to ensure that the Constitution is protected, and who swore an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution," this willful blindness is utterly unacceptable.

I think we should declare a "citizen's impeachment", since the Senate won't deal with oath-breakers like this.

I've noticed that there has been an accelerated rise in the number of felonious offenses for which one can be rousted, to say nothing of the "Lautenjerk Misdemeanor". This may be part of the plan, which also has the effect of "revenue enhancement".

Once again, great post, and thanks for taking the time to write it up. :-)

114 posted on 01/15/2004 6:06:26 PM PST by an amused spectator (articulating AAS' thoughts on FR since 1997)
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To: neverdem
Roy Lucas?

Not that I approve of the way Roe V Wade was handled in the courts.

115 posted on 01/15/2004 6:20:45 PM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Thanks Wart, but for me, the real issue is what the hell is the NRA doing waisting time and energy on this when it could only come out bad.

I discontinued my membership to the NRA several years because of their propensity to negotiate and legislate State and Federal "gun privleges" as opposed to litigation on hard core consitutional principles.

Some of the battles they've "won" only serve to enhance the Govt's perceived validity to create unconstitutional laws in the first place.

Sui

116 posted on 01/15/2004 6:51:29 PM PST by suijuris
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To: chance33_98
The hell with the judge. That law isn't worthy of being followed.
117 posted on 01/15/2004 6:56:29 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("And it's worth the sweat, and it's worth the pain, cause the chance may never come again" -)
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To: neverdem
BUSH APPOINTED THIS GUN GRABBER?
118 posted on 01/15/2004 6:59:48 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("And it's worth the sweat, and it's worth the pain, cause the chance may never come again" -)
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To: Dan from Michigan
BUSH APPOINTED THIS GUN GRABBER?

I just read that on thehighroad.org also.

119 posted on 01/15/2004 7:00:24 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Dead Corpse
Bingo, you got it here:

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/Lucas/roy.asp
120 posted on 01/15/2004 7:03:26 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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