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GOP may oppose Bush's guest-worker plan
United Press International via The Washington Times ^ | 19 January 2004 | UPI

Posted on 01/19/2004 3:05:01 PM PST by Spiff

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: taxed2death
The only way a politician can win reelection while pushing policies opposed by 85% of the population is to somehow sell himself as slightly less evil than his opposition.

Hopefully, the Democrats will become extinct in the 2004 election, the Republicans will take up the mantle as the party of the far left, and by 2008 a new conservative party will emerge to represent the 75% to 85% of the population that currently has no representation.

21 posted on 01/19/2004 4:23:40 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Spiff
This is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as sentiment about the Bush immigration amnesty proposal in the Republican Party is concerned. By his carefully worded statement, Senator Kyl is doing Bush a big favor. He should definitely not be ostracized and marginalized for speaking out, like the White House has already done to Rep. Tom Tancredo.
22 posted on 01/19/2004 4:24:10 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WOSG
Well, I have my own local races to deal with. Florida is a mess.
23 posted on 01/19/2004 4:26:20 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: meadsjn
I agree....
24 posted on 01/19/2004 4:49:30 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Astronaut
I think Bush is floating a trial balloon--no, even a false effort--with the hope that it will be viewed or cited as a positive effort toward "inclusiveness" and that it will be defeated by public opinion and congressional action. It will not become the law but it can be used to bolster support from...(fill in the blanks.) It's rather politcally astute, but it won't gain him a victory edge with the Hispanics. But still, it will help a bit and, because it's doomed not pass Congress, almost harmless to our extant immigration policy.
25 posted on 01/19/2004 4:56:11 PM PST by Rudder
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To: taxed2death
in a nutshell....."re-election", that's why....pure and simple.

Former CA Gov. Gray Davis is available now as a consultant. Probably advising that pandering to illegals is the sure ticket to re-election.

26 posted on 01/19/2004 4:59:25 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: meadsjn
I can't imagine anyone would think these deals being made with Vicente Fox are what the Founding Fathers had in mind for America.
27 posted on 01/19/2004 4:59:47 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Rudder
I think Bush is floating a trial balloon--no, even a false effort--with the hope that it will be viewed or cited as a positive effort toward "inclusiveness" and that it will be defeated by public opinion and congressional action.

Just like the CFR legislation when he thought that the Supreme Court wouldn't let it stand and signed it anyway.

I'm sorry, but Bush just dropped another turd in the punchbowl.

28 posted on 01/19/2004 5:01:22 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Spiff
I'm sorry, but Bush just dropped another turd in the punchbowl.

In the CFR action, Bush went for the short run because the GOP was positioned well for more hard money.

In the long run the 1st Amendment has been trampled.

You may well be likely correct but if you are Bush is going to lose his conservative base.

29 posted on 01/19/2004 5:21:18 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Astronaut
If you argree with Bush on "nearly everything," then you must be a liberal. Bush has massive expanded the welfare state with his prescription drug plan and education spending bill, signed a tyrannical campaign finance "reform" bill that censors people from running ads crticizing a candidate three months before an election, proposed amnesty for illegal aliens and, in the process, slandered the American working man by saying he won't do the jobs that illegals do, proposed wasting billions of tax dollars on going to the moon (again!) instead of giving the money back to the taxpayers down here on Earth, and refused to even give a simple yes or no answer on whether he supports a constitutional amendment to ban homosexual marriage. As a real conservative, I agree with Bush on nearly nothing.

31 posted on 01/19/2004 7:05:16 PM PST by Holden Magroin (Fire Karl Rove!)
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To: Rudder
i agree. he did the same thing with the ballistics database. i don't particularly like it, but as long as none of the crap becomes law, i'll put up with it.
32 posted on 01/19/2004 7:09:24 PM PST by Nayt2 (this must be new)
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To: Spiff
KEEP THE HEAT ON! IT'S WORKING! The GOP reps in my state had better oppose or they'll do without my vote on this issue.

Whitehouse:202-456-1414, 202-456-1111 and 202-456-6213

president@whitehouse.gov

Fax: 202-456-2461

Senate and House Members: 1-800-648-3516

Republican Nat'l Committee: 202-863-8500...this is a toll call.

They're doing their best to get this issue off the front burner! Don't let them succeed!
33 posted on 01/19/2004 7:28:32 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004! VOTE TANCREDO!)
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To: Spiff
The GOP Had darned well better oppose this so-called "plan".

I am sure the president is loosing millions over this. His poll numbers took a big hit regarding support this past week and it is no wonder why, this is an insane proposal and provides NO homeland security at all.

I received a call after he made his announcement from the RNC asking for money, we have supported the president, his father and Bob Dole's bid and worked for the RNC candidate for the last two elections here in New Hampshire. My response to their call for money: "Let the President get the money from the ILLEGAL immigrants". I then blasted them over this ridiculous policy along with the President (and the "Republican" Parties) unwillingness to genuinely fight for the President's judicial nominees. As long as they subscribe to "gentlemen’s filibusters" instead of the real thing, and illegals over American citizens, they will not get a dime from us. I am sure we are just a sample of the conservative base and others within the Republican Party who have had it. I am tired of having our voting block taken for granted.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for President Bush and pray for him daily, but I can not support policies that are going bankrupt America and to enslave our sons and daughters along with all future generations of Americans to support illegal immigrants, with free jobs, free health care, free college tuition and social security bennies after 18 months all so that he can make kissy points with Vincene Fox, and the Hispanic population here and in South America.

Our oldest son incurred a debt of $40k and our youngest will end up owing over $60k just to pay for his college education, and I do not know about you but we have to PAY for the healthcare we receive and if we do not have it, we have to get it. There are no free rides for Americans but for illegals...cue the music: "everything free in America... ok by me in America".

Our oldest son just graduated last year and is working as a computer programmer... his job is in jepordy of being "outsorced" to a third world hell hole where people subsist on slave wages, but hey it is America and according to the president foreigners are being given the jobs that "Americans do not want to do".

The president may get 4 more years with such a ploy, but American CITIZENS/taxpayers and future generations of us will be paying for it the rest of our lives... FOREVER because once "entitlements" are established, they are NEVER rescinded, .... NEVER! I, and multitudes of other sane Republicans cannot and will not be a party to this.

Like I said, let the RNC get the money from Vincente Fox and the illegals.

34 posted on 01/19/2004 7:39:36 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: Spiff; Pro-Bush; FairOpinion; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
BumPing!

Congress has no choice Spiff - none

35 posted on 01/19/2004 9:54:15 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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