Kerry question: How common is 3 purple hearts in 3 months?

Excellent and timely point, IMO. Thanks.....

Now, if bayonet wounds were extrtemely rare in the Civil War, what makes you think they were "not particularily rare" in the mid to late 20th century?

Because I have seen statistics on the "rarity" of various types of wounds. Just because only one wound in 5,000 was the result of a bayonet (because other weapons of longer range accounted for the vast bulk of the wounded) does not mean that hte number of bayonet wounds was insignificant or particularly rare.

The British and Empire military casualty figures for 1914-1918 state that only 0.3% of wounds recorded were inflicted by the bayonet. From the Association of the Western Front.

That's about one wound in 333 inflicted by a bayonet. Since there were literally millions killed in World War I, there were tens of thousands of bayonet wounds. While to a statistician, 0.3% is insignificant, it is rare only in a general sense.

What most people would consider rare to mean (and what I suspect you read "rare" to mean) is insignificant. Tens of thousands of injuries (the vast majority of which resulted in death) is not insignificant in any absolute sense. It is just statistically smaller than the number of people injured by small caliber arms through artillery.

Beaut of a rant, Top! Absolutely great!

A friend of mine, a 25th ID vet told me about an op he was on near Cambodia border. Said his group got into a real hot fire fight and was burning the ammo furiously. The M-60 gunner's piece got hot enough that he had to switch barrels, and naturally just dumped the hot one. About that time, a 1lt saw the barrel on the ground, started to bitch the M-60 guy out, and picked up the barrel. The 1lt got a heart for the resulting burned hand, and the gunner was offered non-judicial for dropping the barrel!

Kerry is a liar. That is all we need to know. It is sad that he is ashamed of his Jewish heritage-- have you heard him mention it. I think that speaks volumes. He needs to stop the charades, large and small.

Attention Visitors from DUmmyland, thankyou for visiting Free Republic. Please take some of these medals as parting gifts to throw at the next Kerry event where he pimps his war experience.

Either you ask to have your post deleted or I will.

Of the several hundred thousand wounded men treated in Union hospitals over the course of the war, surgeons noted only 922 bayonet wounds!

While this statement is true, it ignores a rather important fact about bayonet wounds. A soldier who has received such a wound generally dies on the battlefield. What has always been rare about bayonet wounds is the victim living long enough to be seen by a doctor in a field hospital.

You might ask yourself these question: Since bayonet wounds are so infrequent, who bother to issue bayonets to soldiers? Wouldn't it be more effective to give soldiers more bullets?

Go ask, you censor.

I've heard a saying: Bayonets are good for everything except fighting.

It would be interesting to see if Kerry put his buddy in for the award while his buddy signed off on his awards? I am assuming he deserved the PH and others commendations. I never read he was there for 4 months. It was a stinking rat hole and more than a few went home after a short time. A question to ask Senator Kerry would be where did he go for his treatment? Repose? Sanctuary? Manila? How long was he hospitalized? 3 PH would leave some sort of hosptalization record? Would he share that part of his 201 file?

Say, Kako, why don't you read these MOH citations and note the dates:

RODOLFO P. HERNANDEZ
Corporal, United States Army, Company G, 187th Airborne Regimental Combat Team
Place and Date: Near Wongtong-ni, Korea, 31 May 1951
Citation: Corporal Rodolfo P. Hernandez (Service No.RA19324605), United States Army, a member of Company G, 187th Airborne Regimental Combat Team, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy near Wongtong-ni, Korea, on 31 May 1951. His platoon, in defensive positions on Hill 420, came under ruthless attack by a numerically superior and fanatical hostile force, accompanied by heavy artillery, mortar and machine gun fire which inflicted numerous casualties on the platoon. His comrades were forced to withdraw due to lack of ammunition but Corporal Hernandez, although wounded in an exchange of grenades, continued to deliver deadly fire into the ranks of the onrushing assailants until a ruptured cartridge rendered his rifle inoperative. Immediately leaving his position, Corporal Hernandez, rushed the enemy armed only with rifle and bayonet. Fearlessly engaging the foe, he killed six of the enemy before falling unconscious from grenade, bayonet, and bullet wounds, but his heroic action momentarily halted the enemy advance and enabled his unit to counterattack and retake the lost ground. The indomitable fighting spirit, outstanding courage and tenacious devotion to duty clearly demonstrated by Corporal Hernandez reflect the highest credit upon himself, the Infantry and the United States Army.

Adams, Stanley T.
Rank: Master Sergeant (then Sergeant First Class.)
Organization: U.S. Army, Company A, 19th Infantry Regiment.
Place and date: Near Sesim-ni, Korea, Feb. 4, 1951.
Entered service at: Olathe, Kan.
Born: 1922, DeSoto, Kan.
General Order No.: 66, Aug. 2, 1951.
Citation: Master Sergeant Stanley T. Adams, Infantry, United States Army, a member of Company A, 19th Infantry Regiment, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action against an enemy on 4 February 1951, near Sesim-ni, Korea. At approximately 0100 hours, Sergeant Adams' platoon, holding an outpost some 200 yards ahead of his company, came under a determined attack by an estimated 250 enemy troops. Intense small-arms, machinegun, and mortar fire from three sides pressed the platoon back against the main line of resistance. Observing approximately 150 hostile troops silhouetted against the skyline advancing against his platoon, Sergeant Adams leaped to his feet, urged his men to fix bayonets, and he, with 13 members of his platoon, charged this hostile force with indomitable courage. Within 50 yards of the enemy Sergeant Adams was knocked to the ground when pierced in the leg by an enemy bullet. He jumped to his feet and, ignoring his wound, continued on to close with the enemy when he was knocked down four times from the concussion of grenades which had bounced off his body. Shouting orders he charged the enemy positions and engaged them in hand-to-hand combat where man after man fell before his terrific onslaught with bayonet and rifle butt. After nearly an hour of vicious action Sergeant Adams and his comrades routed the fanatical foe, killing over 50 and forcing the remainder to withdraw. Upon receiving orders that his battalion was moving back he provided cover fire while his men withdrew. Sergeant Adams' superb leadership, incredible courage, and consummate devotion to duty so inspired his comrades that the enemy attack was completely thwarted, saving his battalion from possible disaster. His sustained personal bravery and indomitable fighting spirit against overwhelming odds reflect the utmost glory upon himself and uphold the finest traditions of the infantry and the military service.

Name:MABRY, GEORGE L., JR.
Rank: Lieutenant Colonel
Organization: U.S. Army, 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry, 4th Infantry Division.
Place and Date: Hurtgen Forest near Schevenhutte, Germany, 20 November 1944.
Entered Service At: Sumter, South Carolina
Born: Sumter, South Carolina
G.O. # 77 September 1945
Citation: He was commanding the 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry, in an attack through the Hurtgen Forest near Schevenhutte, Germany, on 20 November 1944. During the early phases of the assault, the leading elements of his battalion were halted by a minefield an immobilized by heavy hostile fire. Advancing alone into the mined area, Col. Mabry established a safe route of passage. He then moved ahead of the foremost scouts, personally leading the attack, until confronted by a booby trapped double con certina obstacle. With the assistance of the scouts, he disconnected the explosives and cut a path through the wire Upon moving through the opening, he observed 3 enemy in foxholes whom he captured at bayonet point. Driving steadily forward he paced the assault against 3 log bunkers which housed mutually supported automatic weapons. Racing up a slope ahead of his men, he found the initial bunker deserted, then pushed on to the second where he was suddenly confronted by 9 onrushing enemy. Using the butt of his rifle, he felled 1 adversary and bayoneted a second, before his scouts came to his aid and assisted him in overcoming the others in hand-to-hand combat. Accompanied by the riflemen, he charged the third bunker under pointblank small-arms fire and let the way into the fortification from which he prodded 6 enemy at bayonet point. Following the consolidation of this area, he led his battalion across 300 yards of fire-swept terrain to seize elevated ground upon which he established a defensive position which menaced the enemy on both flanks, and provided his regiment a firm foothold on the approach to the Cologne Plain. Col. Mabry's superlative courage, daring, and leadership in an operation of major importance exemplify the finest characteristics of the military service.

HOFFMAN, CHARLES F.
Rank and organization: Gunnery Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, 49th Company, 5th Regiment, 2d Division, (Name changed to Ernest August Janson, see p. 444. ) Place and date: Near Chateau-Thierry, France, 6 June 1918. Entered service at: Brooklyn, N.Y. Born. 17 August 1878, New York, N.Y. G.O. No.: 34, W.D., 1919. (Also received Navy Medal of Honor. ) Citation: Immediately after the company to which he belonged had reached its objective on Hill 142, several hostile counterattacks were launched against the line before the new position had been consolidated. G/Sgt. Hoffman was attempting to organize a position on the north slope of the hill when he saw 12 of the enemy, armed with 5 light machineguns, crawling toward his group. Giving the alarm, he rushed the hostile detachment, bayoneted the 2 leaders, and forced the others to flee, abandoning their guns. His quick action, initiative, and courage drove the enemy from a position from which they could have swept the hill with machinegun fire and forced the withdrawal of our troops.

JANSON, ERNEST AUGUST
Rank and organization: Gunnery Sergeant, U.S. Marine Corps, 49th Company. (Served under name of Charles F. Hoffman) Born: 17 August 1878, New York, N.Y. Accredited to: New York. (Also received Army Medal of Honor.) Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action with the enemy near Chateau-Thierry, France, 6 June 1918. Immediately after the company to which G/Sgt. Janson belonged, had reached its objective on Hill 142, several hostile counterattacks were launched against the line before the new position had been consolidated. G/Sgt. Janson was attempting to organize a position on the north slope of the hill when he saw 12 of the enemy, armed with 5 light machineguns, crawling toward his group. Giving the alarm, he rushed the hostile detachment, bayoneted the 2 leaders, and forced the others to flee, abandoning their guns. His quick action, initiative and courage drove the enemy from a position from which they could have swept the hill with machinegun fire and forced the withdrawal of our troops.

SLATON, JAMES D.
Rank and Organization: Corporal, U.S. Army, 157th Infantry, 45th Infantry Division.
Place and Date: Near Oliveto, Italy, 23 September 1943.
Entered Service at: Gulfport, Miss.
Born: 2 April 1912, Laurel, Miss
G.O. No.: 44, 30 May 1944.

Citation:
For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life above and beyond the call of duty in action with the enemy in the vicinity of Oliveto, Italy, on 23 September 1943. Cpl. Slaton was lead scout of an infantry squad which had been committed to a flank to knock out enemy resistance which had succeeded in pinning 2 attacking platoons to the ground. Working ahead of his squad, Cpl. Slaton crept upon an enemy
machine gun nest and, assaulting it with his bayonet, succeeded in killing the gunner. When his bayonet stuck, he detached it from the rifle and killed another gunner with rifle fire. At that time he was fired upon by a machine gun to his immediate left. Cpl. Slaton then moved over open ground under constant fire to within throwing distance, and on his second try scored a direct hit on the second enemy machine gun nest, killing 2 enemy gunners. At that time a third machine gun fired on him 100 yards to his front, and Cpl. Slaton killed both of these enemy gunners with rifle fire. As a result of Cpl. Slaton's heroic action in immobilizing 3 enemy machine gun nests with bayonet, grenade, and rifle fire, the 2 rifle platoons which were receiving heavy casualties from enemy fire were enabled to withdraw to covered positions and again take the initiative. Cpl. Slaton withdrew under mortar fire on order of his platoon leader at dusk that evening. The heroic actions of Cpl. Slaton were far above and beyond the call of duty and are worthy of emulation.

Jerry K. Crump

Rank and organization: Corporal, U.S. Army, Company L, 7th Infantry Regiment, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Chorwon, Korea, 6 and 7 September 1951. Entered service at: Forest City, N.C. Born: 18 February 1933, Charlotte, N.C. G.O. No.: 68, 11 July 1952. Citation. Cpl. Crump, a member of Company L, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and outstanding courage above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy. During the night a numerically superior hostile force launched an assault against his platoon on Hill 284, overrunning friendly positions and swarming into the sector. Cpl. Crump repeatedly exposed himself to deliver effective fire into the ranks of the assailants, inflicting numerous casualties. Observing 2 enemy soldiers endeavoring to capture a friendly machine gun, he charged and killed both with his bayonet, regaining control of the weapon. Returning to his position, now occupied by 4 of his wounded comrades, he continued his accurate fire into enemy troops surrounding his emplacement. When a hostile soldier hurled a grenade into the position, Cpl. Crump immediately flung himself over the missile, absorbing the blast with his body and saving his comrades from death or serious injury. His aggressive actions had so inspired his comrades that a spirited counterattack drove the enemy from the perimeter. Cpl. Crump's heroic devotion to duty, indomitable fighting spirit, and willingness to sacrifice himself to save his comrades reflect the highest credit upon himself, the infantry and the U.S. Army.

Leroy A. Mendonca

Rank and organization: Sergeant, U.S. Army, Company B, 7th Infantry Regiment, 3d Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Chich-on, Korea, 4 July 1951. Entered service at: Honolulu, T.H. Birth: Honolulu, T.H. G.O. No.: 83, 3 September 1952. Citation: Sgt. LeRoy A. Mendonca, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy. After his platoon, in an exhaustive fight, had captured Hill 586, the newly won positions were assaulted during the night by a numerically superior enemy force. When the 1st Platoon positions were outflanked and under great pressure and the platoon was ordered to withdraw to a secondary line of defense, Sgt. Mendonca voluntarily remained in an exposed position and covered the platoon's withdrawal. Although under murderous enemy fire, he fired his weapon and hurled grenades at the onrushing enemy until his supply of ammunition was exhausted. He fought on, clubbing with his rifle and using his bayonet until he was mortally wounded. After the action it was estimated that Sgt. Mendonca had accounted for 37 enemy casualties. His daring actions stalled the crushing assault, protecting the platoon's withdrawal to secondary positions, and enabling the entire unit to repel the enemy attack and retain possession of the vital hilltop position. Sgt. Mendonca's extraordinary gallantry and exemplary valor are in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army.

Hiroshi Miyamura

Rank and organization: Corporal, U.S. Army, Company H, 7th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Infantry Division. Place and date: Near Taejon-ni, Korea, 24 and 25 April 1951. Entered service at: Gallup, N. Mex. Birth: Gallup, N. Mex. G.O. No.: 85, 4 November 1953. Citation: Cpl. Miyamura, a member of Company H, distinguished himself by conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty in action against the enemy. On the night of 24 April, Company H was occupying a defensive position when the enemy fanatically attacked threatening to overrun the position. Cpl. Miyamura, a machinegun squad leader, aware of the imminent danger to his men unhesitatingly jumped from his shelter wielding his bayonet in close hand-to-hand combat killing approximately 10 of the enemy. Returning to his position, he administered first aid to the wounded and directed their evacuation. As another savage assault hit the line, he manned his machinegun and delivered withering fire untilhis ammunition was expended. He ordered the squad to withdraw while he stayed behind to render the gun inoperative. He then bayoneted his way through infiltrated enemy soldiers to a second gun emplacement and assisted in its operation. When the intensity of the attack necessitated the withdrawal of the company Cpl. Miyamura ordered his men to fall back while he remained to cover their movement. He killed more than 50 of the enemy before his ammunition was depleted and he was severely wounded. He maintained his magnificent stand despite his painful wounds, continuing to repel the attack until his position was overrun. When last seen he was fighting ferociously against an overwhelming number of enemy soldiers. Cpl. Miyamura's indomitable heroism and consummate devotion to duty reflect the utmost glory on himself and uphold the illustrious traditions on the military service.

Bottom line, just because some REM writes a statement saying bayonet wounds are rare, don't assume they do not exist. Also notice how many of those receiving the bayonet strike did not get to see a doctor as MtA noted.

Would you have had the same response of the REM who wrote what you quoted (though correct) had written that about say, deaths due to nuclear weapons? Let's see. Those are pretty rare. About 15,000 of the perhaps 12 million combat deaths in World War II.

Are you certain that ... is John Kerry. I didn't know Kerry was such a close friend of the Kennedys back then.

I took the picture from the webslite link posted in the original thread. I cannot say for certain that is Kerry in the pic, but it looks like it could be him. The website says it is John Kerry.

Also, just because you go sailing with someone, that does not make you a close friend of the ownwer of the boat. Many circumstances could exist where that might have been a one time trip.

However, I think it indicates the circle of people that 'Master Kerry' was in during that time frame.

Please cite the naval regulations. As a navy veteran, albeit sans Purple Heart, I have never heard of this regulation. Certainly there were many recipients in the naval service (includes the Marine Corps) who received three and more PH's who continued in combat without running home early to begin a political career.

PLBBTT! OK, try this on for a Clinton, to Kennedy to Kerry play on the people! Maybe, just maybe Kerry wanted to have a political career. We saw the photo of him on the yacht with Kennedy. So, maybe mentor Kennedy sent him to join the military. Come on, a guy goes to Viet Nam for a total of 4 months, wins three Purple Hearts in three months and a Silver Star to boot! Gung Ho enough to join, then comes home just in time to head up the protest that accused our men, of war crimes, schmooze with Hanoi Jane and run for the Senate? Sounds like the offspring of a Kennedy/Clinton affair! This man is a weasel and I suspect just after he receives the nomination we'll get the real Kerry Krimes. I wonder if Kerry knew Mary Jo? Boy, that would explain a lot. Have you wondered why Uncle Teddy is with Kerry 24/7?

I cannot believe John Kerry period. Yes, I heard of some cheap purple hearts, but, not in SF, any Infantry unit or the Marine Corps.

Where are John Kerry's medical records? I got hit with two bullets that looked like four wounds to my fellow SF friends. Yes, I have my medical records, and; the doctors state the exact muscle or muscles that each bullet entered and exited, plus whether the bone was shattered/fractured,and the exact type of fracture. The medical records further had to state artery or nerve damage- "yes or no" in each wound.

John Kerry needs to have a Navy Corpsmen, or any medic or MD come foreward to state the facts that he/she treated him, describe each wound, and; if he cannot produce his military medical records or the evidence, I believe he is a liar.

A couple of days of duty lost from any wound would require an MD's signature, not any medic or corpsmen, unless his CO knew the man who treated him. Kerry was an officer. He needed a medical officer to sign anything stating he was not fit medically for duty for two days, or at least medical evidence his CO saw, which would have prompted a change in his personnel status for duty.

John Kerry is on all sides of every issue. He is a lot like a few officers we all saw, who were out for medals. The NCO's and EM knew who these officers were, and; they avoided them like the plaque.

John Kerry really took care of his men. I see about three Navy Commendation Medals for his men. What a puke.

Its a disgrace to those parents the only have a Purple Heart to show for their son(s).