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Michigan City Council OKs Muslim Prayer Over Loudspeaker
Fox News website ^ | April 21 | Associated press

Posted on 04/21/2004 11:17:44 AM PDT by righteousindignation

Hamtramck,Mich.--Over some residents' objections, the City Council voted unanimously Tuesday night to allow a mosque to send out a call to prayer to Muslims on a loudspeaker....five times a day.

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To: gogov
Bredon Hill

In summertime on Bredon
The bells they sound so clear;
Round both the shires they ring them
In steeples far and near,
A happy noise to hear.

Here of a Sunday morning
My love and I would lie,
And see the coloured counties,
And hear the larks so high
About us in the sky.

The bells would ring to call her
In valleys miles away:
"Come all to church, good people;
Good people, come and pray."
But here my love would stay.

And I would turn and answer
Among the springing thyme,
"Oh, peal upon our wedding,
And we will hear the chime,
And come to church in time."

But when the snows at Christmas
On Bredon top were strown,
My love rose up so early
And stole out unbeknown
And went to church alone.

They tolled the one bell only,
Groom there was none to see,
The mourners followed after,
And so to church went she,
And would not wait for me.

The bells they sound on Bredon
And still the steeples hum.
"Come all to church, good people,"
Oh, noisy bells, be dumb;
I hear you, I will come.

- A.E. Housman

51 posted on 04/21/2004 11:54:37 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: righteousindignation
Christians in Hamtramck should respond with appropriate hymns. The pre-Vatican II Poles would know

Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!

(I imagine John Sobieski would have known that hymn.) Or to be more ecumenical, A Mighty Fortress Is Our God...

Agree on what CDs to use, synchronize watches, and let the Moslems know where we stand.
52 posted on 04/21/2004 11:55:19 AM PDT by omega4412
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To: monkeywrench
Oh, I know how it ends. But until then there is a lot of time for those to "fall away." There are still many I am sure who have not heard the "good word" and thus can be sway by the promises and lies of Islam.
53 posted on 04/21/2004 11:56:30 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Wanted good home for overlooked pets.)
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To: righteousindignation
When I was growing up, during the Christmas Holidays, various church groups would drive through town playing Christmas hymns over loud speakers on the back of a truck. One of these should be parked in front of the Mosque and played five times a day.
54 posted on 04/21/2004 11:57:18 AM PDT by NorseWood
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To: righteousindignation
Coming to a neighborhood near you
55 posted on 04/21/2004 11:58:34 AM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29, "Repentance.")
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To: Iron Matron
THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for your wisdom!!! I am so grateful for all the responses to this Michigan catastrophe that will be encouraging Christians to DO SOMETHING!!!
56 posted on 04/21/2004 11:58:52 AM PDT by righteousindignation
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To: labowski
Without the meteorite, you might could call that a religion but it would be a stretch; WITH the meteorite, it's a form of idolatry.
57 posted on 04/21/2004 11:59:19 AM PDT by judywillow
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To: NorseWood
Excellent point. But you might be more likely to succeed in mucking the effort up by filing a suit on bahalf of all deaf muslems in the area, that being that the Americans with Disabilities Act should mandate giant billboard size widescreen broadcasts so the deaf can enjoy full participation in calls to prayer, having hand signed calls to prayer simulcast.

It will tie the whole mess up until a new council can be voted in.

58 posted on 04/21/2004 11:59:36 AM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: omega4412
I wonder what our "Motor City Madman", Ted Nugent has to say about this? I'd love to hear it.
59 posted on 04/21/2004 12:02:03 PM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: blackdog
Or maybe “the other white meat” commercials nice and loud.
I can’t believe that my fellow upnorthers across the big lake are allowing this to happen.
60 posted on 04/21/2004 12:02:48 PM PDT by tractorman
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To: mercy
Now a full 50% of this nation hates our president because ...

Remember that this Great Republic (yeah, right) reelected the Sink Emperor ... and that in the election following his putrid reign a majority of those who bothered to vote, voted for a communist.

61 posted on 04/21/2004 12:03:01 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: righteousindignation
Well, what to do expect? Our culture (old dead white men) is under a massive attack and no one, NO ONE is defending it. So we lose it, very simple. Islamic law will soon rule in the neighborhoods of this community.
62 posted on 04/21/2004 12:05:15 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: jpsb
Our culture (old dead white men) is under a massive attack and no one, NO ONE is defending it.

It's worse than you think. (What's left of) Western Civilisation is in the process of aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence. The muzzies are filling the void that "our" idolatrous worship of Pleasure has left.

64 posted on 04/21/2004 12:08:18 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Chief Engineer, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemens' Club)
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To: KQQL
Church bells are the closest analogy to the Islamic call to prayer, and I assume most Freepers would not and do not object to church bells, so why the outrage? I understand the concern, that the Islamic call to prayer blaring out over mid-America has disquieting implications, but as a matter of law or policy, can we defend allowing church bells while banning the Islamic prayer call? Maybe someone can point out a distinction that I'm missing . . .
65 posted on 04/21/2004 12:08:30 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Steve_Seattle
"Maybe someone can point out a distinction that I'm missing . . ."

Church bells peal a palatable tune; the Islamic call to prayer sounds like the muezzin got something tender caught whilst zipping up his pants.
67 posted on 04/21/2004 12:14:59 PM PDT by Solamente
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To: miltonim
Coming to a neighborhood near you

Maybe and maybe not. From what I understand, and this comes from previous threads about this city, the city is far from an American city. Most of the inhabitants are Polish who don't speak English and muslims. This is from the failure of our immigrations laws to assimulate immigrants into American culture.

68 posted on 04/21/2004 12:15:04 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: JackRyanCIA
I've probably read as much or more about Islam than anyone on this thread, but I can't see a legal basis for banning the Islamic prayer if one allows church bells and popsicle trucks playing music over a loudspeaker.
69 posted on 04/21/2004 12:15:58 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Steve_Seattle
Then you have not read enough.
70 posted on 04/21/2004 12:17:10 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: NewRomeTacitus
The God I worship forgives sin.

Blasphemy and speaking against God are unforgiveable sins according to Christ. Islam 101 is actually wrong, because the sin would be forgiven if that person (for whatever crazed reason) converted to Islam. It's just that, according to them, you don't want to die in that state.

71 posted on 04/21/2004 12:17:49 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: keats5
What is this call?

It's a guy yelling really loud.

72 posted on 04/21/2004 12:19:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Steve_Seattle
The argument could be that church bells are historical since our country was founded on Christianity.

I wonder what Judge Moore's opinion of this is.
74 posted on 04/21/2004 12:20:49 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: righteousindignation
Is there a pool yet for how many calls to prayer before the loudspeaker is somehow, er ... "malfunctioned"? I'm thinking that there are probably a number of ways that oculd happen:)
75 posted on 04/21/2004 12:20:57 PM PDT by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: Monty22
"Then you haven't read enough."

I've also read the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and I don't think we have a right to ban a form of religious expression just because it frightens us. Islam IS a threat to the USA, both internally and externally, but there are some things we can't do in opposing it.
76 posted on 04/21/2004 12:21:03 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Solamente
Church bells peal a palatable tune; the Islamic call to prayer sounds like the muezzin got something tender caught whilst zipping up his pants

That's a matter of taste, not law. It was a good question: according to current law, why shouldn't they be allowed to do so if church bells are allowed?

I heard a good idea last night on a zoning law that could pass constitutional muster: ban electrically amplified sounds above a certain loudness. That would be religion-neutral. However, it would allow bells but make the Muslims go old-time and have their guy shouting from the minaret, which wouldn't be as loud as the speakers.

77 posted on 04/21/2004 12:24:15 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Solamente
Church bells peal a palatable tune;

A "Treble Bob Major" isn't very tuneful. Of course, most Americans don't understand British change ringing.

78 posted on 04/21/2004 12:25:05 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I never believed I would live to see the end times, but I think I am seeing the beginning of the end times. In fact I am certain of it. I've got a pretty good idea now of how the battle between good and evil is going to shape up. I might get to see it after all.
79 posted on 04/21/2004 12:26:19 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: antiRepublicrat
Watch out...when the citizens try to reverse the ruling...The Muslims will cry racism...and maybe start throwing things.
80 posted on 04/21/2004 12:27:14 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: hapy
what can we do about it?

Take up a collection and donate a whole lotta these?

81 posted on 04/21/2004 12:27:28 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Steve_Seattle
someone can point out a distinction that I'm missing . . .

A ringing church bell at "worst" might invite someone to a Christian church service. Mostly though, the bells just indicate the time of day.

The calls to the Mosque is not an invitation. It is a requirement. And it applies to all that hear it. You too. Yea, you! The Muslims just don't have the power to drag you into the Mosque, yet.

If you do go to the Christian church they won't tell you it's OK to kill, rape or tax "non-Christians". They won't tell you that you must work to exterminate all other churches that are "non-Christian". They won't tell you it's OK to beat your wife, or daughter. They won't tell you that it's OK to lie to "non-Christians". The priest, or preacher or whatever will not attempt to run your life such that you must know how to wipe you ass a certain way. They won't tell you who to associate with, who to marry, what to buy, what not to buy, etc, etc, etc.

9/11 was horrible. There was only one positive thing that came from it in my view. It made me look at Islam. I don't like what I saw.

82 posted on 04/21/2004 12:27:30 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: texastoo
"The argument could be that church bells are historical since our country was founded on Christianity."

For a long time in this country, it was understood that the government could enforce what was called "general Christianity," a kind of non-denominational obeisance to Biblical and Christian principles; this was not believed to violate the First Amendment. It was understood that Christianity had a certain "pride of place" in the USA and that public policy, and the law, could defend specifically Christian values - hence the "blue laws" of yesteryear, swearing on the Bible, etc. Needless to say, this doctrine has severely eroded in the last 50 years, and it is unlikely it could be resurrected in this instance to ban the Islamic prayer.
83 posted on 04/21/2004 12:28:00 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Steve_Seattle
I've probably read as much or more about Islam than anyone on this thread

The problem is that you probably read stuff from a neutral, purely educational point of view like I did, starting about 13 years ago. These guys won't think you know a thing unless you read with a pre-concieved view of hatred towards Islam and see everything in that light. In their view, not one bit of the Quran can be good teaching, nor can any follower of Islam be a good person.

84 posted on 04/21/2004 12:28:27 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ArrogantBustard
You got it.

Also, it's hard to defend the modern West. Mohammedans look at the West and see homosexuality, abortion, drunkenness, drug usage and immorality all around.

I'd hate America too if I was one of them.
85 posted on 04/21/2004 12:29:39 PM PDT by Guillermo ("Oh yeah? Well if you do it again, I'm gonna have only one word for you: 'Outta here.'" - Paul Sr.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
There are actual "words" to this prayer call. These are words by people whose religion calls for the killing of all non-muslims, specifically Christians and Jews. These are the people who say we will take over the world...the same format of the Prophet.

The Christian Religion tolerates the rest of the religions and does NOT call for killing them off. It wishes for peace but not by annilation of the rest of society.

There is no smilarity between the bells and the call of the Muslims.

86 posted on 04/21/2004 12:30:13 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Stop with the defensive drama queen crap.
87 posted on 04/21/2004 12:30:40 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Dallas59
Watch out...when the citizens try to reverse the ruling...The Muslims will cry racism.

I am worried about that, and the Christians need to keep their cool and show no signs that their opposition is actually anti-Muslim. That would give CAIR far too much ammo for their agenda.

88 posted on 04/21/2004 12:30:41 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Steve_Seattle
Church bells ring once per week, and they're pleasant sounding; Mooselimb calls for "prayer" happen 5 freakin' times per day, and they sound like angry yodeling meece.

Why can't the Koraniacs instead just buy watches and set their alarms for the prayer times? Answer: because they delight in shoving their sick cult down the throats of the American people.

89 posted on 04/21/2004 12:31:14 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Steve_Seattle
can we defend allowing church bells while banning the Islamic prayer call

Steve, go read "The Gulag Archipelago" instead of the Hildebeasts book. If you want fairness go to the NBA & tell them they need more white players to be fair. Go ring your church bells in Iran & see what happens.

90 posted on 04/21/2004 12:32:25 PM PDT by Digger
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To: Monty22
Stop with the defensive drama queen crap.

I guess that truth struck a nerve.

91 posted on 04/21/2004 12:33:38 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
lol, yeah truth, that's it.

Your koranic cheerleading does not belong here.
92 posted on 04/21/2004 12:34:04 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Steve_Seattle
People like Steve why we are going to lose Western Civilization. Hope you like Islamic law and tribalism, cause when we lose western civilization that is what we are going to get.

Christan values and Western civilization are inseparable. Lose one you lose the other.

93 posted on 04/21/2004 12:35:03 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: jpsb
antiRepublicrat is the same way too.. Phew.
94 posted on 04/21/2004 12:35:38 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: jpsb
Amen
95 posted on 04/21/2004 12:36:07 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: righteousindignation
THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for your wisdom!!! I am so grateful for all the responses to this Michigan catastrophe that will be encouraging Christians to DO SOMETHING!!!


This affects us all. I expect to hear on the news about all the church bells ringing in hamtrack SEVEN TIMES DAILY, 5 times to drown out the false god of islam and two additional times for good measure!

All PRACTICING CHRISTIAN CHURCHES in the town and surrounding townships should do the same.
96 posted on 04/21/2004 12:37:11 PM PDT by Iron Matron (Civil Disobedience? It's not just for liberals anymore!)
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To: Monty22
Your koranic cheerleading does not belong here.

It is not cheerleading. It is correcting the falsehoods constantly spewed out the the enemies of any religion.

A person exactly like you exists in Islam. We call him an anti-American Muslim fundamentalist. It is your views on both sides that causes the strife we see today. Hate clouds your judgement.

97 posted on 04/21/2004 12:38:15 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: righteousindignation
Look for an increase in suicides in this community.
98 posted on 04/21/2004 12:38:42 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: Steve_Seattle
Here's the issue: 5:00am and 10:00pm. Churches across America have had to cease ringing their bells during "quiet times" and yet the call to prayer is going to be heard at 5am and 10pm, when the tolling has been forced to cease.
99 posted on 04/21/2004 12:38:43 PM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: antiRepublicrat
You don't know what you're talking about, at all.

Go to DU with this moral relativistic nonsense.
100 posted on 04/21/2004 12:39:22 PM PDT by Monty22
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