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Expedition Will Seek to Find Noah's Ark
FoxNews.com ^ | 4/26/04 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/26/2004 6:19:02 PM PDT by wagglebee

An expedition is being planned for this summer to the upper reaches of Turkey's Mount Ararat (search) where organizers hope to prove an object nestled amid the snow and ice is Noah's Ark (search).

A joint U.S.-Turkish team of 10 explorers plans to make the arduous trek up Turkey's tallest mountain, at 17,820 feet, from July 15 to August 15, subject to the approval of the Turkish government, said Daniel P. McGivern, president of Shamrock_The Trinity Corporation of Honolulu, Hawaii.

The goal: to enter what they believe to be a mammoth structure some 45 feet high, 75 feet wide and up to 450 feet long that was exposed in part by last summer's heat wave in Europe.

"We are not excavating it. We are not taking any artifacts. We're going to photograph it and, God willing, you're all going to see it," McGivern said.

Explorers have long searched for an ark on the high slopes of Mount Ararat, where the biblical account of the Great Flood places it.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bible; flood; noahsark; turkey
Geologists say even though there is evidence of a flood in Mesopotamia in Sumerian times, it is not possible for a ship to make landfall at an altitude as high as Mount Ararat..

Its funny how scientists always have a reason why the Bible is wrong. So my question for them is: if it is an ark, how did it get there? Probably they will tell us aliens from outer space did it, its far more palatable to them then God.

1 posted on 04/26/2004 6:19:03 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
Gee if they do find it and it's verifiable the next great fear among the Torah/Biblophobes must be that the Ark of the Covenant is found and given to Israel.
2 posted on 04/26/2004 6:26:28 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: wagglebee; blam
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3 posted on 04/26/2004 6:27:05 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: wagglebee
They will just say that its a hoax, or someone built it there because of some cult religion, I have no idea. Scientists can be kinda crazy sometimes.
4 posted on 04/26/2004 6:28:27 PM PDT by zahal724
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To: wagglebee
If this is indeed Noah's Ark, what else will people come up with to deny the obvious?
5 posted on 04/26/2004 6:29:30 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (To err is human. To really f*** it up, though, you need to be a liberal.)
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To: wagglebee
Every time there is one of these expositions, something always happens that keeps the exposition from being completed. They film a show, have us watch through the whole thing and tell us nothing.
6 posted on 04/26/2004 6:32:25 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: BulletBobCo
Maybe not, they didn't mention taking Geraldo with them, so there's hope.
7 posted on 04/26/2004 6:34:50 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: zahal724
Scientists can be kinda crazy sometimes

Err, more like the hucksters and fraudmeisters that make these ark expeditions on Ararat (and fleece investors and donors out of money) are kinda crazy sometimes. EVERYTHING they've supposedly found has been an absolute joke, perfectly normal geological formations, etc.

8 posted on 04/26/2004 6:35:51 PM PDT by John H K
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To: wagglebee
This is VERY good. You have competing theories making competing predictions that are unambiguous.
9 posted on 04/26/2004 6:38:09 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: wagglebee
I already believe there was an ark....my faith demands no proof.

However, what if we were finally able to figure out why Australian animals are so freakin' weird???!!!
10 posted on 04/26/2004 6:49:48 PM PDT by baltodog (There are three kinds of people in the world: Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: wagglebee
Here we go again. This isn't the first time that an April Fool joke caught a few latecomers to the party.

The Germans did it again in 1933.

"fool me once, shame on you - fool me... you can't get fooled again."

11 posted on 04/26/2004 6:51:15 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: msdrby
ping
12 posted on 04/26/2004 6:51:47 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (FR ~ You can logout any time you like, but you can't ever leave.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Guess what again? (Ping!)
13 posted on 04/26/2004 6:56:13 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building! Able to leap tall bullets in a single bound!)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
They'll say it's a Medieval forgery....same as always....:)


14 posted on 04/26/2004 6:59:48 PM PDT by Salamander
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To: wagglebee
"Its funny how scientists always have a reason why the Bible is wrong. So my question for them is: if it is an ark, how did it get there? Probably they will tell us aliens from outer space did it, its far more palatable to them then God."

No. It will be: " Bush did it to get votes. "

( Hey, it makes about as much sense as the rest of the crap blamed on Bush )

15 posted on 04/26/2004 7:02:30 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: VadeRetro
I remember when they first discovered the Titanic the finders said they wouldnt take any artifacts, Guess what they looted it. If this is the Ark it too will be looted, Expect to find a sliver of wood enclosed in a piece of plastic and selling for $20 bucks in your local Walmart.
16 posted on 04/26/2004 7:03:14 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: VadeRetro
Not my kind of thread.
17 posted on 04/26/2004 7:07:32 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: wagglebee
I have been searching for an hour for any information on
McGivern
Shamrock
The Trinity Corporation

in an attempt to validate any additional information.

I can't find a thing?? Is this a complete farce?

There are a bunch of news stories on news.google all from today and mostly just copies of the AP source.

Anyone know anything else?

18 posted on 04/26/2004 7:09:57 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: wagglebee
What ark? Story just says an expedition is trying to find it - again.
19 posted on 04/26/2004 7:14:54 PM PDT by DManA
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To: sgtbono2002
If this is the Ark it too will be looted, Expect to find a sliver of wood enclosed in a piece of plastic and selling for $20 bucks in your local Walmart.

I'm not holding my breath on that scenario playing out.

20 posted on 04/26/2004 7:15:20 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building! Able to leap tall bullets in a single bound!)
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To: kpp_kpp
Best I can find is that McGivern is a Catholic activist in Hawaii. Other than that I admit I don't know much. I generally trust FoxNews absolutely, maybe I should have checked more. I apologize.
21 posted on 04/26/2004 7:20:18 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
I'd die to be on this expedition.
22 posted on 04/26/2004 7:22:04 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: wagglebee
Cool, I'd like to see the results.
23 posted on 04/26/2004 7:22:28 PM PDT by raynearhood (how many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie-Roll center of a Tootsie-Pop)
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To: wagglebee
Would be an odd hoax, as nobody is claiming to have found the ark..

And there really have been a variety of previous expeditions to Ararat by a variety of scientifically clueless types with more money than sense, that have found bogus "Evidence" of an Ark.
24 posted on 04/26/2004 7:28:52 PM PDT by John H K
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To: wagglebee
"So my question for them is: if it is an ark, how did it get there?"

Wonder will they swear it was built there out of those trees that grow at 17,000 ft asl?

25 posted on 04/26/2004 7:52:28 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: kpp_kpp
in reply to my own message... here is what i've found (still nothing regarding mcgivern/shamrock) but some other intersting history:

from today: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4838007/ (click on the picture too)

from a couple years ago: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/noahs_ark_010823-1.html

and even more background:
http://google.space.com/search?q=cache:http://www.space.com/spacenews/archive02/araratarch_091702.html+noah&site=seti-test&output=xml_no_dtd&client=seti-test&proxystylesheet=http%3A%2F%2F209.73.219.100%2Fcss%2Fspacecom.xsl

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2000/11/20/CoverStory/Anomaly.Or.Noahs.Ark-208686.shtml
26 posted on 04/26/2004 7:54:22 PM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: wagglebee
I'd sincerely doubt the Turks would ever allow a group of Western Christians and Jews look for the Ark, or it would have been located by now.
27 posted on 04/26/2004 8:15:51 PM PDT by Darheel (Visit the strange and wonderful.)
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To: Darheel
Actually, they tightly control who can look for the ark by charging kickbacks and bribes which are extremely expensive. The area around Ararat has been quite extensively searched during numerous expeditions. Numerous people have deliberately trekked in and some claim to have seen or even entered the Ark, but, strangely, none thought of properly photographing the place or marking GPS coordinates.
What this means is that Ararat is a rock AND it's a great place to free wealthy but stupid people of the burden of their currency.
28 posted on 04/26/2004 9:44:04 PM PDT by AdequateMan (I'll take "21st century political fakery" for 500, Alex. Ooh, the Daily Double!)
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To: Darheel
- Beroso, priest, astronomer and Babylonian historian who in 275 B.C. wrote on the habit of pilgrims climbing Ararat to scrape away the pitch on the walls of the Ark to make amulets, describes the Ark visible on Mount Ararat.

- Flavius Josephus, Jewish historian of the first century, wrote in his book: "The story of the Jews" the same Beroso's statement.

- Epifanio of Salamina in the 4 century A.D. used the real existence of Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat as a piece of evidence in defense of the Christian faith, writing: "Do you really believe that we are not able to prove our faith even though up until our times the remains of Noah's Ark are visible in the country of the Kurds?".

- Marco Polo, the famous Venetian traveller, passing near Mount Ararat in 1269 wrote in his book, "Il Milione" : "......and you should know that in that far - off land of Armenia Noah's Ark still lies there on top of a high mountain with snows so persistent that nobody is able to climb it.
29 posted on 04/27/2004 6:01:55 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: azhenfud
http://www.noahsark.it/Located.htm
30 posted on 04/27/2004 6:03:27 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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