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Marines Prepare for Fallujah Pull Back (Fox Reports NO PEACE DEAL in Fallujah)
AP ^ | Thu, Apr 29, 2004 | Jayson Keyser

Posted on 04/29/2004 4:15:58 AM PDT by Eurotwit

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Marines in Fallujah began packing up gear and loading heavy trucks Thursday, saying they had been ordered to leave the southern industrial zone that they have held for weeks and pull away from the city.

It was not immediately known if the move represented a withdrawal of Marines from their siege of the city or if other Marine forces were being rotated in to replace the withdrawing 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment.

Some of the Marines said they had orders to move to the nearby village of Garma.

U.S. forces delayed potentially dangerous joint Iraqi-American patrols in Fallujah after three days of fighting and pressure increased on the United States to prevent an escalation of violence in the besieged city.

Easing the prospect of an assault on Fallujah, a tentative agreement has been reached under which the United States would end its siege of Fallujah and withdraw Marines from around the city over several days, Los Angeles Times reporter Tony Perry told CNN on Thursday.

Perry, who is embedded the U.S. 1st Marine Division, told CNN four former Iraqi generals under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) had come forward and said that Iraq (news - web sites)'s army would be responsible for operations and security in the city. They were working out details of the deal in meetings with U.S. Marines on Thursday.

In violence throughout Iraq, a U.S. soldier was killed in a roadside bombing north of Baghdad, and a foreign civilian was shot to death in an attack on his car in the southern city of Basra. Three members of an Iraqi family were killed when a rocket hit a residential building in the northern city of Beiji.

U.S. troops at the main checkpoint in and out of Fallujah opened fire on a car, killing several Iraqis but there were differing accounts of the circumstances of the attacks.

Marine Capt. James Edge said a car screeched into the razorwire near the main Marine checkpoint into Fallujah and gunmen inside opened fire with assault rifles on the Americans. U.S. troops returned fire with a Humvee-mounted heavy machine gun, killing at least three men in the car, Edge said. A fourth person was wounded but it was not clear if he was in the car or a bystander, Edge said.

An AP reporter, however, saw U.S. soldiers opened fire on a pickup truck at the checkpoint, killing a seven-member family that was trying to flee the city. It was not clear if the accounts referred to separate incidents.

In the south, a U.S. base in the Shiite holy city of Najaf came under mortar fire Thursday in an attack that caused no casualties but showed increasing boldness from Shiite militiamen in the city. Militiamen also attacked a U.S. convoy passing through part of the city overnight, prompting an exchange that killed an Iraqi woman and wounded six people, hospital officials said.

The Fallujah violence, aired live on television screens with images of explosions and burning buildings, increased pressure on the United States to prevent a revival of the heavy bloodshed in Fallujah during the first two weeks of April.

"Violent military action by an occupying power against inhabitants of an occupied country will only make matters worse," U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) warned. "It's definitely time, time now for those who prefer restraint and dialogue to make their voices heard."

Mohsen Abdul-Hamid, a member of the U.S.-appointed Governing Council also called on the United States to stop attacks in Fallujah and said if the United States refused, his Iraqi Islamic Party would consider withdrawing from the council.

"We call on the American troops that are bombing Fallujah to stop immediately and withdraw outside of the city," Abdul-Hamid told al-Jazeera television. "Otherwise, we'll be forced ... to consider the subject of withdrawal."

On Wednesday, U.S. warplanes dropped 500-pound, laser-guided bombs on guerrilla targets as battles broke out in several parts of the city, including areas that had been relatively quiet.

One resident, Hassan al-Maadhidi, returned to Fallujah after fleeing earlier fighting and was distraught Thursday when he saw the destruction from fighting over the past three days.

"I returned yesterday to see houses destroyed, streets empty and shops bombarded," al-Maadhidi said, adding that he may flee the city again.

Witnesses reported at least 25 destroyed buildings. At least 10 people were injured in the fighting, hospital officials said Thursday. There were no reports of guerrilla casualties although insurgents often do not evacuate their casualties to hospitals, fearing that they could be arrested. Hospital officials said ambulances could not reach the areas where many of the battles took place.

In Baghdad, U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said the U.S. strikes were limited and aimed at gunmen who were attacking Americans.

"Even though it may not look like it, there is still a determined aspiration on the part of the coalition to maintain a cease-fire and solve the situation in Fallujah by peaceful means," he said.

The U.S. military announced that joint U.S.-Iraqi patrols into Fallujah would be delayed by a day, to Friday. The patrols were part of an effort to reduce tensions and stop Marine assault of the city.

Marine Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne said that when the patrols begin "we expect hostile fire. There is a cadre of bad guys that are still in Fallujah and anytime people go into Fallujah they get fired at."

In a report explaining the city's fierce resistance to the U.S. occupation, Middle East expert Anthony Cordesman said Fallujah had seen a rise in Islamic extremism even before the war.

Fallujah was a key bastion of support for Saddam Hussein's rule and the loss of vast subsidies it enjoyed under Saddam turned it into a hotbed of resistance, said Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"Such areas had never had any clear economic reason for their privileges and promised to be the permanent losers" in a change in regime, it said.

The death in the roadside bombing Thursday raised to 117 the number of U.S. servicemembers killed in April, the bloodiest month for U.S. forces in Iraq. At least 725 U.S. troops have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003. Up to 1,200 Iraqis also have been killed this month.

A volley of seven mortar rounds Thursday hit in and around the U.S. base in the holy city of Najaf, where anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr is based. The attack caused no damage or casualties, but it showed increasing boldness by militiamen. Attackers regularly mortar the camp — held by the Spanish until U.S. troops moved in this week — at night, but rarely during the day.


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KEYWORDS: fallujah; iraq; southwestasia
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To: Eurotwit
"Jayson Keyser" seems to have gotten "misinformation" Fox is now reporting that no such plan is in the works!!!!

61 posted on 04/29/2004 5:19:43 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Fallujah! Off again, On again!

Troops in. Troops out. No troops still in.

Ceasefire. No ceasefire. Ceasefire.

Heck, Fallujah is getting worse than Sharon chasing and threatening Arafat for the last 3 years.



62 posted on 04/29/2004 5:19:48 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: AntiGuv
I don't trust our PM. He reminds of Kerry :-)
63 posted on 04/29/2004 5:20:26 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Miss Marple
You raise a good point. I didn't like the tone of Perry's phone-in report to Fox a couple of days ago and had more than one suspicion raise when I heard he was a main source of this one.

Also see post 48

Prairie
64 posted on 04/29/2004 5:20:51 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (New mantra for the Democrats: "Anyone but Kerry!")
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To: Miss Marple
This is JMO, but you would think with a lot of Freepers experience with the American mainstream media, that the old adage of "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me" would have sunk in.

Apparently it hasn't.

65 posted on 04/29/2004 5:21:16 AM PDT by Dane
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To: prairiebreeze
I can certainly understand my fellow freepers points regarding this "PULL BACK"...relax folks this is ggoing to be a classic....stop and think Arab mentality for a min.
66 posted on 04/29/2004 5:21:22 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: Dane
bump!
67 posted on 04/29/2004 5:22:04 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (New mantra for the Democrats: "Anyone but Kerry!")
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To: Eurotwit
It's pretty easy for us to sit here at our computers and tell the Generals how to handle the battle of Fallujah. We have only the information we are fed by the Associated Press but they have the boots on the ground. I'm going to continue to trust the military leaders who have all the information rather than one or two embedded reporters who have a limited perspective.
68 posted on 04/29/2004 5:23:30 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Rokke
"The chicken littles on FR amaze me. Do you really think you have the big picture sitting 6000 miles away from the action in front of your computer screen. Lets just say for the sake of argument that most of the bad guys are no longer in Fallujah. Do our guys gain much by marching through the city, being exposed to every IED left behind, and taking the blame for every civilian casualty that results? We're their to kill the enemy. Not capture territory. If the enemy is destroyed, our job is done."

The enemy is obviously not destroyed, since everytime we poke our heads up someone takes a shot at us.

And I readily admit I don't have the big picture - no one could, except the people who are running the show. Does that mean we should all just shut up and trust the people who are running things to do the "right thing"?

It is, however, perfectly reasonable to gripe that by sitting on our thumbs in Fallujah we're appearing weak and indecisive to our enemies. This has nothing to do with inside knowledge of our course of action in Iraq - there may or may not be good reasons for acting the way we are around Fallujah, but the image we're projecting is real enough for any of us to see.

Perhaps what they're now reporting as a repositioning of troops is simply preparations for going in there and finishing this. It's embarrassing to see us crowing "Look! See! We're negotiating with the terrorists, and, um, we didn't hurt the Mosque, so please don't hate us!." It's as if Baghdad Jim has been put in charge of the war. I would have liked to see us stomp this cleric craphead the minute he tried to exert power and oppose us.

69 posted on 04/29/2004 5:24:14 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: rrrod
I can certainly understand my fellow freepers points regarding this "PULL BACK"...relax folks this is ggoing to be a classic....stop and think Arab mentality for a min.

Yeh, and the media reports overlooked telling us the Marines are loudly playing Rumsfeld laughing and Bruce Willis challenging the 'insurgents' about their manhood.

War is h3ll on the nerves (ours and the insurgents')!
70 posted on 04/29/2004 5:25:07 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: Eurotwit
I have a nagging feeling that the Iraqis we turn over Fallujah to are going to march in and start hugging and kissing those very people who have been killing our troops. It's going to be a happy day for the terrorists and their supporters.

This is a bitter pill to swallow.
71 posted on 04/29/2004 5:25:18 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (So you're a feminist - isn't that cute!)
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To: Miss Marple
Glad to hear that this was misinformation.

On the other hand Im getting pretty tired of the press readily releasing misinformation
72 posted on 04/29/2004 5:26:25 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Eurotwit
One of Fox News Channel's military experts (Col. David Hunt, I think) said the other day that the original plan was to "buy off" the Iraqi military and hold them in place so that the Coalition (U.S.) forces would not be handling the dirty work (paraphrasing). This plan was rejected (by our diplomats) and never executed. The diplomats have been trying to run the military operations from the get-go. This is not to say that Bremer and his group have done a poor job - they probably have succeeded immensely, in their own realm.

The plan to bring in Iraqi generals is over a year old and probably should have been implemented when our military planners said it was the right thing to do. Let the military run military operations and keep the diplomats at champagne and brie soirees at the U.N.

73 posted on 04/29/2004 5:28:08 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (JohnFKerry: A Bad Bottle of French Whine topped with a $1,000 haircut)
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To: TomGuy
"Fallujah is getting worse than Sharon chasing and threatening Arafat for the last 3 years."

Only because people grab on to every bit of media speculation like its gospel truth chiseled by our military leadership in granite. Those of us on FreeRepublic, who ought to know better than to bite off on every media report, seem to be the first to take the bait and immediately declare the President and anyone above the rank of Private, a wishy-washy and ignorant sissy.
We are controlling the situation in Fallujah. The adults are in charge. They know what they are doing. Believe it or not, they even know more than media reporters and chicken littles on FR. So if we could all relax just a little, they will continue doing their jobs, and we can go back to sipping coffee and picking apart the idioicy coming out of the press...not our military.

74 posted on 04/29/2004 5:28:35 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: reagan_fanatic
This is a bitter pill to swallow

Maybe a Freeper adage could be coined and that would be, "Don't post a reply until you have read the first 50 replies".

It's now being reported that the initial AP report is bogus.

75 posted on 04/29/2004 5:28:43 AM PDT by Dane
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To: TomGuy; All
If everyone would remember that the LA Times has as much credibility as The National Enquirer (maybe less....)
76 posted on 04/29/2004 5:28:51 AM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the Free Republic War Babies' Live Thread Reporting Service)
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To: Eurotwit
I've been watching President Bush since 9-11 and I don't see him as the type to cut and run in order to increase his re-election chances. I will wait and see how this plays out.

The good news of the morning is that these people we are fighting are remnants of the old regime, which means that they are in limited supply. These are not regular Iraqis turned into fighters by the occupation. Since we have most of them in one place, we need to exterminate them.
77 posted on 04/29/2004 5:29:34 AM PDT by RobFromGa (There isn't always an easy path, but there is always a right path.)
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To: Rokke
Those of us on FreeRepublic, who ought to know better than to bite off on every media report, seem to be the first to take the bait...

Absolutely correct. I don't know why hysteria breaks out here at every garbled media rumor.

78 posted on 04/29/2004 5:32:38 AM PDT by livius
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To: Dane
Maybe a Freeper adage could be coined and that would be, "Don't post a reply until you have read the first 50 replies".

My bad. I should start drinking coffee.

At some point, we will have to hand over Fallujah to the Iraqis. Whatever insurgents are still left will greet the Iraqis as liberators, not conquerors.
79 posted on 04/29/2004 5:34:07 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (So you're a feminist - isn't that cute!)
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To: Pravious
"The enemy is obviously not destroyed"

And we're not done yet.

"Does that mean we should all just shut up and trust the people who are running things to do the "right thing"?"

No, but the very fact that you don't have the big picture means you ought to temper your criticism because it is based on guessing. Not fact. So how useful is it, other then to vent. Which isn't very useful.

"perfectly reasonable to gripe that by sitting on our thumbs in Fallujah we're appearing weak and indecisive to our enemies"

Sure, if that's what we are doing. But we aren't. It all goes back to the fact that we don't all have the big picture.

"It's embarrassing to see us crowing "Look! See! We're negotiating with the terrorists, and, um, we didn't hurt the Mosque, so please don't hate us!."

The only people doing that seem to be on FreeRepublic. Even Powell yesterday described why we have every justification to destroy the mosques we've destroyed.

80 posted on 04/29/2004 5:36:16 AM PDT by Rokke
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