Kerry’s Defiance the Best Thing to Happen to Catholic Church in North America?

LifeSite ^ | May 11, 2004

[NYer]

He is attempting to make his abortionism and his Catholicism one,” she said.

John Kerry _ CINO (Catholic in Name Only)

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list

[NYer]

Ping!

[ken5050]

Today's bonus question, folks:

Since leavign the White House, can anyone produce a picture of Clinton either entering or leaving a church, and/or carrying a Bible, simply to go in and worship?"

[Polycarp IV]

“The controversy is forcing the bishops in the whole Church to show what they are made of. This controversy is going to be very good for the Church in the long run; it is going to lance a boil that has festered since the (Second Vatican) Council. Bishops have avoided any firm expression of condemnation on many key issues. Now they are being forced to come out and say, ‘this is wrong’ without compromise, or back away from the faith altogether. There won’t be any more wiggle room after this.”

One can only hope. Ping!

[BlessedByLiberty]

On May 10, New Jersey Senate Majority Leader Bernard Kenny (D-Hoboken), announced that he would be leaving the practice of Catholicism.... senator announced that he would, “look for other options to express my faith and will probably join another Christian church.”...

Er, what legitimate Christian denomination adheres to abortion?

[.45MAN]

Boy! you can say that again..

[eastsider]

In Catholic doctrine, the reception of communion, believed by Catholics to be the actual body and blood of Jesus, is a public sign of unity of belief.

The Eucharist as the paramount sign of Christian unity is as scriptural as it is Catholic:

Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

(1Cor10:16-17 (NIV))

[narses]

Ping.

[Meldrim]

...just as long as we don't hear anything about the death penalty. If it was OK with Pius X, it's still good with me.

[Meldrim]

The United Church of Christ (Congregationalists), more or less

[Zack Nguyen]

After a meeting with the pastor of his Newark diocese parish, the senator announced that he would, “look for other options to express my faith and will probably join another Christian church.”

This politician made the right decision. I'm not being sarcastic here. This man obviously wants a religion where the Mind of Man reigns supreme, where God's eternal Word can be subverted to the will of his humanistic ideology.

I can think of several "churches" where he would be very much at home. He can show up every week for "worship", be able to claim piety for public purposes, and have none of his beliefs challenged.

[ERegan]

Does anyone remember that this is a secular nation? The Vatican and all other religious bodies have no business interfering in political matters.

We are either a "free nation" or a phony nation. What freedom are we defending and promising to other countries if our churches are allowed to try and control politicians?

They should lose their tax deductions and register as lobbists or stay out of secular affairs.

[BlackElk]

New Jersey State Senate Majority (for the time being) Leader Kenny is made into a somewhat honest man (he will not be leaving the practice of Catholicism because he already left by supporting abortion and other atrocities) by Archbishop Myers as Kenny formally acknowledges his apostasy. Senator: Don't let the door..... and, ummmm, good riddance!

[BlackElk]

1. This is NOT a secfular nation but one in which there is NO established church. That is a big difference. Read George Washington in his farewell address on this subject.

2. The Roman Catholic Church in its decisions to admit to the Holy Eucharist those who claim membership in the Church is NOT governed by the United States government or any other government save that of the Roman Catholic Church. That principle is covered by freedom of worship.

3. You are apparently not a Catholic. Hence, whether the Roman Catholic Church allows blatant apostates and babykillers such as John Kerry to receive the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ is none of your business. MYOB. If you happen to be a Catholic and you disagree with the actions of those Catholic bishops and the Vatican courageous enough to just say no to John Kerry when he approaches for the Eucharist, you had better outrank those bishops or it is again none of your business.

4. We are not going to be pushed around by secular enemies of the Church. Any questions?????

[Eternally-Optimistic]

If your observation is correct, we must revert to a stance that morality is not important.
The part of the Constitution that proclaims we are one nation UNDER GOD must stand for something. God has given us his laws/rules which is the basis for our morals if we follow him.
This is not a chicken vs. egg argument. God comes first in all situations including giving us morals and a conscience to live by.

[BlackElk]

What you know about the Establishment and Freedom of Worship clauses of the federal First Amendment would fit within a neuron and would still be flat out wrong. The RCC, no less than the local Elks Club or the Yale Club of New York or a union local or a homeowners' association may discipline its members.

[BlackElk]

As you are a member since today, May 14, 2004, Newbie, I must observe that you have made a most inauspicious beginning here. Were you bored with Demonratic Underground?

[thegreatbeast]

Universalist Unitarian?

[Capt. Tom]

The Vatican and all other religious bodies have no business interfering in political matters.

This is not a political matter. Kerry holds views contrary to the Catholic Church and persists in those views. That makes him a heretic whether he is a politician or plumber.

The Church has to deal with heretics or it will become just another Protestant church. - tom