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poor liars, that are not even able to spread consistent lies.
1 posted on 05/21/2004 10:42:48 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

You're missing the key point. Global warming can cause ice ages. And therefore ice ages can cause global warming. So it was probably warmer on this island during the last ice age. Come on. Get with the program.


2 posted on 05/21/2004 10:46:43 AM PDT by tbeatty (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat salad.)
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To: Truth666

Yep the creationists are poor liars.

One example micro-enviroment sans any analysis does not disprove anything.

Creationists know how hard it is to disprove something. They are just intellectually dishonest.


3 posted on 05/21/2004 10:48:15 AM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Truth666

Great argumentation...


4 posted on 05/21/2004 10:49:42 AM PDT by sibbel
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Problem is the last ice age was about 130,000 years ago.

That is plenty of time to establish a coral reef and fauna.


5 posted on 05/21/2004 10:51:17 AM PDT by KeyWest
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There can be no doubts that no other theory has so much impact on modern society as evolution theory.

Social theory is dead. It turned out to be useless anyway since it didn't work on Moslims.

6 posted on 05/21/2004 10:51:50 AM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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If the temperature would drop 5°C both endemic unmistakable palms (including the most popular indoor palm of the world, howea forsteriana) would also perish. So, just to take these two examples, both the coral and the howea would have had to have developed from scratch during the last 10,000 years.

False premise.

7 posted on 05/21/2004 10:54:08 AM PDT by Cobra Scott
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there is nothing mentioning polar shifts? We had glaciers here in the US until not too many hundreds years ago...

Our magnetic poles have constantly moved throughout history and at times even reversed. This could cause massive climate changes. unaccounted for in this article.

What about the phenomena that we are currently experiencing that will cool us down rapidly? The planet earth is in the midst of a 'celestial dust storm' our solar system is currently passing through a dense (in space terms) cloud of dust that is filtering a portion of our sun's heat and light. We can only hope for our internal "global warming CO-2" to help us maintain temperatures.

food for thought///


8 posted on 05/21/2004 10:54:50 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: Truth666
The oldest known fossils that possess skeletal features typical of modern humans date from between 130,000 and 90,000 years ago

You are off by a factor of about 10 on this one.

9 posted on 05/21/2004 10:54:54 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: PatrickHenry

For the crew...


11 posted on 05/21/2004 10:59:29 AM PDT by whattajoke
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This is a joke, right? No one can be as dumb as the writer and still qualify as living - rock - maybe.

Sure makes some really informed arguments against evolution.


14 posted on 05/21/2004 11:03:22 AM PDT by familyofman
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So, just to take these two examples, both the coral and the howea would have had to have developed from scratch during the last 10,000 years. A claim that nobody would dare to make.

But nobody would dare to make the claim that either coral or palms developed "from scratch" on this island, ever. Coral and palms came to this island from elsewhere, at some point in time. Why not in the last 10,000 years?

16 posted on 05/21/2004 11:09:58 AM PDT by Physicist
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This wonder of the world would be immediately destroyed, if the ocean temperature would drop just one degree Celsius.

The reefs could easily have died, but their skeletal remains would persist, and then be re-established later from coral larvae drifting in from the north.

If the temperature would drop 5°C both endemic unmistakable palms

5 degress celsius is a pretty big drop for a small island in the middle of a moderating ocean at about 32 degrees south.

Nice attempt at a strawman, however.

21 posted on 05/21/2004 11:26:13 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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the most recent ice age, the Pleistocene Epoch, lasted from about 1.6 million years to 10,000 years before present...

I disagree that the the ice age ended 10,000 years ago. During the last 1.6 million years there have been many periods (interglacial) where the ice retreated. Many were warmer than the current interglacial.

23 posted on 05/21/2004 11:34:23 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (I'm for the underdog; Bush '04)
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Its existance is only possible due to particular climate conditions that affect an area of the world where no other land rises even remotely near sea level.

Yeah, right in the middle of a warm current. And it's so unique - I mean, we don't have any other examples of an area at higher latitudes being warmed by an ocean current. Other than Europe. Oh, yeah, and we can't forget Bermuda - and gee, Bermuda has coral reefs also.

So much for the uniqueness part of your statement.

25 posted on 05/21/2004 11:38:46 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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Whilst Lord Howe is located in cooler waters at latitude 31 south, it has a remarkable mix of tropical as well as temperate marine life. The larvae of tropical species, including corals, are swept south by the warm East Australia Current which flows past the Great Barrier Reef in Queensland before swirling out into the north Tasman sea

Well, there goes your coral theory.

28 posted on 05/21/2004 11:42:52 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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The last time I saw something this stupid posted, it was in blue.

poor liars, that are not even able to spread consistent lies.

Go to school. Read a book other than the Bible. Get a life.

36 posted on 05/21/2004 11:52:54 AM PDT by balrog666 (So many idiots, so few comets...)
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Well I must admit that I have been convinced.

All my life, I have believed in Jesus, God and the Bible. I thought I understood what has been taught to me over the years and that it was factual information.

After listening to the Creationists and their extremely distorted views of physical reality, perhaps it is time that I re-evaluate what I was taught as a child.

When people must distort, twist and lie to justify their views of religion, something is very wrong!

Way to go Creationists, you have gone a long way in convincing me that the Bible is nothing but fiction. I know that was not your desire, but it is how you are presenting your arguments.

Trust but verify....

41 posted on 05/21/2004 11:59:16 AM PDT by Hunble
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http://www.wcmc.org.uk/protected_areas/data/wh/lordhowe.html

VEGETATION A wide variety of vegetation types has been described for the islands, with the diversity corresponding with the range of habitats, viz. lowland, montane, valleys, ridges and areas exposed to the maritime influence. Variable exposure to wind and penetration of salt spray appear to be the main determinants of vegetation occurrence, structure and floristics. Lord Howe Island is almost unique among small Pacific Ocean islands in that its mountains have sufficient altitude for the development of true cloud forest on their summits. These are 241 native species of vascular plants on the island, including 105 endemics (DEST/ERIN (1995). Sixteen of these are considered rare, endangered or vulnerable. There are four endemic palm species in three endemic genera. There are also two other endemic genera in the families Asteraceae and Gesneriaceae. Other endemic species are widely scattered among families. Endemism is particularly noticeable among ferns and in the families Asteraceae, Myrsinaceae, Myrtaceae and Rubiaceae. There are 48 species of indigenous pteriodphytes (including 19 endemic ferns) belonging to 32 genera, and 180 species of angiosperms (56 endemics) in 149 genera. A further four species are represented by endemic subspecies or varieties; there are no gymnosperms. Some of the endemics suggest recent speciation, and many have confusing origins, such as the three endemic palm genera Howea, Hedyscope and Lepidorrhachis, and also Dietes sp., the three congeners of which are endemic to southern Africa and which has seeds with apparently only short range dispersal capacity. Other noteworthy endemics are Dendrobium moorei and Bubbia howeana. Many species are threatened or have restricted distribution on the island; there is only one known plant of non-endemic Pandanus pedunculatus, and Chionochloa conspicua ssp. nov. (Poaceae) is an endemic known only from one clump on Mount Lidgbird.

The vegetation has affinities with sub-tropical and temperate rain forests, and 129 plant genera are shared with Australia, 102 with New Caledonia and only 75 with New Zealand. There are 160 naturalised, introduced plant species, mostly, but not exclusively, in the lowland settlement area. Weed species of the greatest immediate concern within the preserve are bone seed (biton bush), kikuya grass (Davey, 1986) and asparagus fern Protoasparagus eathiopicus (Lord Howe Island Board in litt., August 1995). Many other species are potentially serious problems (Davey, 1986).

Twenty-five vegetation associations in twenty alliances have been identified (Pickard, 1983). Fourteen of these associations have endemic species as their dominant components. The slopes of the northern hills are dominated mostly by Drypetes/Cryptocaria rain forest, with Howea forsterana palm forest on the flats behind North Bay and H. belmoreana palm forest in the narrower gullies running down towards Old Settlement Beach. Melaleuca/Cassinia scrubs and Cyperus and Poa grasslands occur on the exposed slopes of Mount Eliza and along the crest of the sea cliffs on the northern coast. The southern mountains are covered with a more variable suite of rain forest and palm associations, often with Pandanus along drainage lines, and with scrub and cliff associations in the more exposed parts and along the coastline. Mutton Bird Point(on the east coast) and King Point (at the southern tip) have small occurrences of Poa grassland. The upper slopes of mounts Gower and Lidgbird include areas of forest dominated by another of the endemic palms, Hedyscepe canterburyana. The very humid summit plateau on Gower and the summit ridge on Lidgbird consist of structurally distinct gnarled mossy forest (Davey, 1986).

So you can't even get the details right about what grows where on Lord Howe. Come back when you've utilized the internet to vet your theories.

44 posted on 05/21/2004 12:06:53 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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You lose credibility when the first sentence uses the non-word "endoctrinated".


45 posted on 05/21/2004 12:10:29 PM PDT by glorgau
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YEC INTREP


48 posted on 05/21/2004 12:19:05 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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