Skip to comments."THE" Reason We Went Into Iraq
Posted on 05/23/2004 3:53:42 PM PDT by Matchett-PIEdited on 05/23/2004 5:21:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Host Eric Shawn
Guest: John Loftus (the author of four histories about Intelligence operations, a consultant for CBS 60 MINUTES and ABC - PRIME TIME, among others. He was a prosecutor with the U.S. Justice Department Nazi hunting unit with unprecedented access to top secret C.I.A. and NATO archives)
Under discussion is this story in the NY Times today:
Evidence Is Cited Linking Koreans to Libya Uranium New York Times ^ | 5/23/04 | DAVID E. SANGER and WILLIAM J. BROAD
Excerpt transcribed by me from my videotape:
Eric Shawn: "John Loftus told us about it months ago right here on Inside Scoop. John, that's why we call it, 'Inside Scoop' - you beat the New York Times again. Congratulations!"
John Loftus: "Thank you very much."
Eric: "How do you do it?"
John: "Well, ummm, this little country lawyer used to have a Q clearance for nuclear weapons secrets and I was told about this amazing wiretap where British Intelligence overheard a call from North Korea to Libya saying, 'My god, if the Americans ever go into Iraq, they're going to find out about our nuclear program. And who's going to pay all the Iraqi nuclear scientists in Libya if Saddam falls?''"
Eric: "You're saying before the war there were Iraqi nuclear scientists working on a potential bomb in Libya before we launched this [war in Iraq]?
John: "Yeah. This was a treaty signed by a man called Ali Sobree (sp?). He was the foreign minister of Iraq. And he went to Khadafy and they worked out a whole protocol. Khadafy would donate a hollowed out mountain in Libya; Iraq would provide the nuclear scientists, and North Korea would provide the uranium. And they would literally make a factory for nuclear weapons. And once that factory was complete, we had lost the war on terrorism. People don't realize that even a small nuclear weapon can kill 300,000 people. That's one hundred 9-11's. So that's why we put [garbled] bin Laden on the back burner -- we were really focusing on getting the Ali Sobree protocol - we had to smash that ring."
Eric: "Now when you talk about Saddam and the war on terror - we've had conversations - your indication is that President Bush understood this after 9-11 and he was mostly concerned about a nuclear bomb from Libya or Iraq or Iran."
John: "Eric, that's EXACTLY it. Within a month after 9-11, British wiretaps showed that we had a MAJOR risk. Nuclear weapons in terrorist's hands would be devastating. And that's why the president said, 'OK, we're gonna shift the emphasis from Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden. We're gonna go into Iraq - that's where the evidence is - we have to capture Ali Sobree."
Eric: "Yeah, but critics say, 'Oh the war is about oil' - ' The war is about democracy'. You say there's someting else going on. ..."
John: "This is absolutely necessary, Eric. Had we not smashed the program, within the next 3 or 4 months - on the schedule they were on - Libya would have finished the nuclear factory - we couldn't touch it. We were designing nuclear bunker-busters to try and get into the mountain [but] even that wouldn't work. Once the Islamic bomb was finished - America - the rest of the western nations were finished. We couldn't stand city after city evaporating by nuclear weapons."
Eric: "In other words, going into Iraq, in your view, having Khadafy now basically give up and surrender everything to us, getting the connection to North Korea and Iran - was a major strategy in the war on terror?"
John: "It was THE major strategy. Khadafy has now confirmed he is going to hand the Ali Sobree protocols over to the United States. Sobree, himself, is now in US custody and he is already scheduled as one of the first three witnesses in the trial of Saddam Hussein.
Sadam's biggest crime? While he was starving his own people to death, his money and his scientists were hiding in Libya to make a factory for nuclear weapons to attack any major power in the world." ...
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
John: "It was THE major strategy. Khadafy has now confirmed he is going to hand the Ali Sobree protocols over to the United States. Sobree, himself, is now in US custody and he is already scheduled as one of the first three witnesses in the trial of Saddam Hussein."
Good to have a transcript of what I heard.
If this is correct, why isn't the administration touting it?
AKA "O.J."part 2!
Somebody should have told Bush about this ;so he could have told us about it. -Tom
So as to not panic the people?
I don't know..that's a good question...let's follow this.
I once saw on the Discovery channel a story before the war how we infiltrated into Libya using a seal team and destroyed a meating between Iraqi and Libyan Agents discussing how they could perform a terrorist attack, I will google and see if I can find it.
sounds like the story is to be told Monday night, prime time, with scabs or no...
Well, this is very interesting, indeed! But why is this coming to light now? Why hasn't the White House said anything about this? Why did Mr. Loftus wait until now to mention this story in public? How can this be proved? If it is true, thank God!
Sorry, but I don't see a link to the full transcript on the Fox News site.
My BS factor is up on this, simply because hiding the story makes no sense, and revelation of it would score major political points.
Uh ...Libya? North Korea? Iran? Terrorists, etc etc etc?
This adds a whole new dimension to that "railroad accident" in North Korea.
You're welcome. I videotaped him a few months back, too, when he was talking about that "hollowed out mountain" in Libya. It was right after Khadafy threw in the towel realizing the jig was up.
Too early, the public has forgotten 9-11 already. This information would likely come out after the GOP convention.
I understand that FoxNews needs trimming, but the link doesn't have the transcript. I guess there shouldn't have been a link. Since it was someone transcribing what they heard & maybe should've been posted as a "vanity", can you put back what was trimmed (I'd read it before you trimmed it)? A lot of the meaning is now gone.
Thanks for the work on the transcript. Heard some of this a few weeks ago on WMAL in DC. Nice to get more details.
I am interested in following it!
"This adds a whole new dimension to that "railroad accident" in North Korea."
That's what I was thinking. And haven't the Japs said that there were Syrians on the train? How they came to know that I have no clue.
Maybe Bush didn't just throw Korea into the Axis of Evil to be multi-culti about it.
You have "trimmed" a transcription of a broadcast that is NOT available at the link you provided.
This is *MY* transcript from my personal videotape. There is no transcript of that program on the Fox web site that I know of, so this is not an "excerpt". Are you able to
restore my *personal* transcript since I taped it from my own TV and not from their web site?
You've had bit too much beer.
I missed that one!
BTTT for an answer to my question in #25.
I'm just not certain about John Loftus' credibility.
Can anybody speak to whether he is a reliable source?
We may not hear everything Monday night.
President Bush is still playing Poker and may not have filled his hand yet.
I wasn't aware that Fox News needed trimming in any event.
Clinton appointed U.S. District Court judge Harold Baer has made a legal finding that Iraq was behind the 9-11 attacks. His ruling was upheld by the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals.
Someone said on a thread, I think, that Al Douri was thought to be hiding in Saudi Arabia!
There isn't one there. This was something I transcribed from my own personal videotape of that 5-minute segment of the program. I've asked the Admin.Moderator to PLEASE restore my full transcript.
Waaahhhh...I'm moving next week and was packing all day- missed Eric's interview and in reading this thread and trying to get some info at FOX - I'm lost. Will someone be kind enough to UNtrim, DEtrim or REtrim the original script? I've read some of Loftus before- he's a mixed bag from what I can see he tried to tie GWB and UBL with Saudis...oil...etc. But it does seem pretty remarkable he'd go on record making a statement like this without being certain of his sourcing...
Back to packing...UGH..
I believe the strategy of the Administration dealing with the Democrats has something to do with "rope" and "hang". Just wait until Kerry is the "official" nominee.
I'd asked him in #20, but have yet to hear anything either.
Have we got some source for that?
Yes, John Loftus reported this on the John Batchelor Show on thursday night.
A "meating" between these 2 would be pretty gross, and I'm glad our guys stopped it. :)
That's a good point. It's not important whether this Admininstration is fabulously popular today. It matters in late October.
...The administration wants to be re-elected. I'll wait till then. After the election, I want answers. Right now GWB has the benefit of the doubt, only because of the war on terror...
Because it would panic the markets - and panic in the markets is even more negative for Bush's reelection chances than the false accusation that there never were any WMD's.
AM, Can you untrim this please? I have no idea what this is about, and I would really like to know.
Thanks Ernest. Everything is starting to match up now. All this stuff is going to be revealed and layed out by the President in a nice neat package. The question is when?
Keep you powder dry until October.
Same reason they're not touting the OKC connections to Iraq.