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Ebonics! Weird Names! $500 Shoes! Shrill Bill Cosby and the speech that shocked black America
Village Voice ^ | May 26 - June 1, 2004 | Ta-Nehisi Coates

Posted on 05/25/2004 10:30:56 AM PDT by dead

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To: dead
There is always Eddie Murphy's bit about using breakfast cereals for black girl names.
21 posted on 05/25/2004 10:50:10 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: dead

Pretty sad. A successful black man is called an elitist because he prescribes fundamental tools for success. Truth hurts, doesn't it Ta-Nehisi?


22 posted on 05/25/2004 10:50:10 AM PDT by opus86
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To: dead
But if we could just pay attention in school, stop stealing, learn proper English, and correctly apply deodorant, we'd be all right.

MAGNIFICENT SUMMARY!

It really is that simple. And that is why black "leaders" hate it. They, too, would have to find a job.

23 posted on 05/25/2004 10:52:26 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: Just another Joe
Sorry, dead, on this one Cosby is more right than wrong. This article isn't a rant on racism. It's a dig on Cosby.

Right on all accounts. But I still think Ta-Nehisi writes a fun article.

Besides, Cosby getting one right doesn’t square him in my book. I still remember him throwing money at the Sharpton/Tawana fiasco, without apology. And I remember his implication that American doctors invented AIDS to get rid of Africans. And I remember his wife’s assertion that her son's murder by a scumbag from Russia was the product of American racism.

Pardon me if I’ll enjoy a little Coz-bashing, whatever the reason.

HEY! HEY! HEY!

24 posted on 05/25/2004 10:53:36 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
When the Coz came to Constitution Hall last week, he was one up on his audience. He had no solutions, and unlike his audience, he knew it.

This commentator is a moron. Bill Cozby has a brilliant solution, and he has proven that it works. Speak clearly, get your free education, work your way through a paid education, and be excellent at what you do, and the money will follow. "The Coz" has done the unforgivable in the eyes of the Liberal elite...he has worked hard, become rich, and done it largely without the help of the Democratic party.

26 posted on 05/25/2004 10:56:13 AM PDT by 50sDad ( ST3d - Star Trek Tri-D Chess! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: mountaineer

Black humor has always been crass, politically-incorrect, and filled with profanity and sex. Cosby is right on this issue but he needs to leave the other comedians alone. People like Chris Tucker and Eddie Murphy in the 80s and Pryor and Redd Foxx in the 70s were DA BOMB! Even Cosby himself used to be a bad-ass. Rent Murphy's "Raw" and see him rake Cosby over the coals with that voice of his. LOL


27 posted on 05/25/2004 10:57:51 AM PDT by ServesURight
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To: dead
Besides, Cosby getting one right doesn’t square him in my book.

True. I do enjoy his comedy though.

28 posted on 05/25/2004 10:58:44 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: dead
But if we could just pay attention in school, stop stealing, learn proper English, and correctly apply deodorant, we'd be all right.

Ridiculing Cosby for suggesting that education, staying out of trouble, and having good hygiene is a means for breaking out of poverty is lot like ridiculing a football coach for suggesting that his team practice, lift weights, and eat right to become a better football team.
29 posted on 05/25/2004 10:59:45 AM PDT by Honcho
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To: newgeezer

new fan ping.


31 posted on 05/25/2004 11:00:10 AM PDT by biblewonk (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK...AND I USE IT TOO.)
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To: dead

Not really a fun read since he's attacking Cosby and painting him as an elitist for having the gall to note that certain things, like proper English, are a prerequisite to success.


32 posted on 05/25/2004 11:00:35 AM PDT by kenth
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To: dead
Race still matters, but largely the problems of black people today are the problems of poor people.

Oh, dear. We've gone from emphasizing one oppressed group to emphasizing another. (It's kind of a backtrack, in fact - Foucault to Marx). Maybe the author ought to consider that this sort of class analysis has run its course?

In point of fact, Cosby did not attack underprivileged African-Americans, he pointed out that their popular culture is validating patterns of behavior that are damaging to their well-being. That this culture is inculcated and promulgated by the very black "elite" that the author complains about is nowhere admitted here, nor can it be without blowing the author's premise.

Frankly, Cosby is a paranoid nutcase with respect to AIDS but he's right on the money here. All IMHO, of course.

33 posted on 05/25/2004 11:03:59 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: dead

The long knives are out.


34 posted on 05/25/2004 11:06:57 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: dead

"The fact was, the Oakland School Board never planned to "teach" Ebonics. They actually planned to teach proper English to young kids using Ebonics."

Sure. That's how I learned math. We all made up any answer we wanted and THEN we learned how wrong we could be.


35 posted on 05/25/2004 11:09:53 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: agrarianlady

There you go, making sense again....


36 posted on 05/25/2004 11:10:06 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: dead
Its leaders, like Cosby himself, are in winter, and having beaten Bull Connerism, they now stand befuddled and silenced before their greatest new adversary—class.

...

In his last days, Martin Luther King turned his attention to class, a focus Cosby's brethren airbrushed away.

"Class" is codespeak for "socialism." This person is upset that Cosby is not sufficiently socialist. He/She thinks that blacks are justified in opting out of education and economy in favor of ignorance and crime because in doing so they are opting out of capitalism.

In reality, blacks can have all the prosperity they want just by taking Cosby's advice. But that would deny demagogues their talking points, so race hucksters encourage blacks to behave in ways that preclude prosperity.

37 posted on 05/25/2004 11:10:12 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (People should be banned for sophistry.)
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To: dead
Cosby is trying to have it both ways. Today's hip-hop generation of blacks aren't going to follow his advice of staying in school and speaking good English when the entertainment and sports market dictates that they speak slang and come from the streets.

Cosby himself used to be hard-ass. Check out the movie "Uptown Saturday Night" with him and Sidney Poitier. Lot's of jive-turkey talkin' and mofos spewing from his mouth.

38 posted on 05/25/2004 11:11:17 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Extremer than any Extremist!!!)
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To: jonascord; opus86
patron saint of black elitists

I have heard similar complaints from people in contact with Bill Cosby - those peole who take care of his private jet, limosines, hotel arrangements, etc... when he travels. Everyone has to be black, including his jet pilots, supposedly.

I agree with him on his speech though.

39 posted on 05/25/2004 11:12:22 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: dead
In his last days, Martin Luther King turned his attention to class, a focus Cosby's brethren airbrushed away.

And he did it in a coat and a tie, with impeccable English.

40 posted on 05/25/2004 11:13:29 AM PDT by Physicist
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