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Swift Boat Admiral Hoffman on Hannity & Colmes tonight
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ^ | May 28, 2004 | Interesting Times

Posted on 05/28/2004 2:21:23 PM PDT by Interesting Times

Admiral Roy Hoffman, former commander of all Swift Boat operations in Vietnam, will appear on Hannity & Colmes tonight. He will discuss a film clip Fox News has found of John Kerry in Washington in 1971, presumably during the Dewey Canyon III protest, claiming that he had just spoken to a fellow vet who had a "pocket full of ears." As usual, Kerry provided no evidence to support this claim...

John O'Neill, also of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, appeared on Major Garrett's show around 5pm Eastern to counter Kerry's slanderous remarks about his fellow Vietnam veterans.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Announcements; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: admiralhoffman; fakewarcrimes; honoraryvietcong; johnkerry; morelies; royhoffman; swiftboat; swiftboatveterans; swiftvets4truth
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To: NormsRevenge
"Wasn't that a nice touch the way Fox(Monica) cut the Admiral off..."

She needs to study history.
She said Kennedy 1st got us into Viet Nam.
12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends 1st 350 U.S. advisers to South Vietnam
to train the South Vietnamese Army
08 Jun 56 - 1st American advisor was killed
5 Sep 56 - President Eisenhower tells a news conference that the French are
"involved in a hopelessly losing war in Indochina"
61 posted on 05/28/2004 6:28:24 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Kerry is a traitor)
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To: All
"I’m an internationalist. I’d like to see our troops dispersed through [sic] the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
Hanoi John Kerry, The Harvard Crimson, 1970

62 posted on 05/28/2004 6:30:39 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Kerry is a traitor)
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To: Interesting Times
John Kerry: "As a veteran of both the Vietnam War and the Vietnam protest movement, I say to both conservative and liberal misinterpretations of that war that it's time to get over it and recognize it as an exception, not as a ruling example, of the U.S. military engagements of the twentieth century. If those of us who carried the physical and emotional burdens of that conflict can regain perspective and move on, so can those whose involvement was vicarious or who knew nothing of the war other than ideology and legend" (p. 43)
63 posted on 05/28/2004 6:32:06 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
One of the lead Doghunters was John Hurley, who had first watched Kerry nearly steal a caucus from his candidate, Drinan, 14 years before. (Hurley is now Kerry's national vets recruiter.) Another was Tom Vallely, an ex-Marine and longtime Kerry friend who now runs the Vietnam Program at Harvard University.

Kerry (was said to have)had blood on his hands for leading antiwar protests that encouraged the Viet Cong and thus caused more U.S. casualties. The Doghunters sprang into action. Vallely recruited a little-known congressman from Arizona, a Vietnam War hero named John McCain, to vouch for John Kerry's valor in combat. I'll never forget Vallely telling me about McCain that day in 1984. "This guy's going to be a star," he said.

Of all the commercials I have made for Kerry, my favorite capitalized on Shamie's unflinching support for the Reagan arms buildup. Kerry, in sweater and jeans, walked through an old-time hardware store. The big political stories of the day catalogued a Pentagon spending spree, where it paid exorbitant prices for ordinary goods: $200 hammers, etc. In the commercial, Kerry displayed an item from the shelf and compared its retail price to what the military had paid. "The Pentagon paid $110 for this 10-cent diode." He looked at the camera, smiled slightly, and said: "Anyone who thinks you need to spend like this to keep America safe ... must have a screw loose." The commercial won many awards, and Kerry easily won the election.

Of course, John Kerry wouldn't know what a hardware store looked like unless someone told him during an election campaign photo op. Since his wife pays the bills I doubt that he knows what anything costs either.

64 posted on 05/28/2004 6:40:14 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Kerry's. Doghunters," continually fended off criticisms from the far right. ... The "doghunters," called "Kerry's commandos" by the press...


65 posted on 05/28/2004 6:41:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Interesting Times
Iron John

"After the 1984 election, the Doghunters had a black-tie dinner at my house, and the only thing we didn't drink was the Aqua Velva [aftershave]," John Marttila, a political consultant who has worked on every Kerry campaign, says. "They've had regular dinners ever since.

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The time Kerry spent with McCain - and, to a lesser extent, with Bob Kerrey and Chuck Robb - completed the transformation that the Doghunters had begun. He was no longer a political loner; he was, finally, part of a distinct, bipartisan, and emotionally intense group: the Vietnam combat veterans in the United States Senate. (Max Cleland, of Georgia, and Chuck Hagel, of Nebraska joined the group in 1996; Kerrey and Robb departed in 2000.) They took common positions on veterans' issues, and sometimes on questions of war and peace, but they were most passionately united when one or another of them was attacked.

Finding his place among comrades was Kerry's first step in from the political cold. There were two others, frequently cited by friends: his victory over William Weld in the 1996 Massachusetts Senate race and his improbable second marriage, to Teresa Heinz.

The notion that Kerry married Heinz for political reasons - specifically, to use her money to run for president - is put to rest within nanoseconds of meeting her: this is a flagrantly impolitic human being. The marriage is bursting with strong emotions and ill-concealed conflicts, and much too complicated for the facile armchair psychologising that goes on during a presidential campaign. It is not the sort of relationship that an ambitious politician, in his right mind, would want; it is likely to be a distraction for the press corps, an easy way to obscure the campaign's "message". One can only conclude, it must be love.

Heinz will not be censored. "John went on too long," she said the day I met her, after watching her husband deliver his Iraq speech in the Senate chamber on c-span [TV link]. "But that's what happens when he starts thinking about history."

Iron John, part two

66 posted on 05/28/2004 6:48:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Interesting Times

Well, thanks then! I added you to my list awhile back. Let me know if I should remove you. Please do by private freeemail, so I don't miss seeing it, ok?


67 posted on 05/28/2004 7:02:12 PM PDT by JLO
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To: TexasTransplant
Please don't think I am weird, I just thought that this dream was... well, the way these folks think, scary.

You are not weird.........

................................scary?.............. yes, but not weird.

68 posted on 05/28/2004 7:12:08 PM PDT by Chieftain (To all who serve and support those who serve - thank you!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
That Monica really gave Kerry's lackey the business. She's firey and sharp - well done Monica!

The Admiral was much too wise and experienced for Colmes and the lackey to pull one over. Nice job Admiral!

69 posted on 05/28/2004 7:15:31 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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John Hurley is the National Director of Veterans for Kerry and has been working full time as a volunteer in John Kerry’s presidential campaign for over a year. An attorney, Hurley is a Vietnam veteran who served with the U.S. Army in the Mekong Delta in 1967-1968. He was a Platoon Leader in Company B, 69th Engineer Battalion. He is 61 and lives in Wellesley, Massachusetts with his wife, Anne Goggin, and their three children, Caitlin, Conor, and Julia.

70 posted on 05/28/2004 7:18:47 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Hurley has also had to retract his claims that he witnessed atrocities in Vietnam. There is a public statement to this and an acknowledgement by Brinkley that the "revised" edition of Tour of Duty will remove Hurley's earlier accusations. In other words, HURLEY TOO LIED ABOUT VIETNAM WAR CRIMES.


71 posted on 05/28/2004 7:40:14 PM PDT by jrlc
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To: jrlc

Mr. Kerry's campaign has done more than contradict itself. It has been in full coverup mode. John Musgrave, one of the six witnesses who placed Mr. Kerry at the Kansas City meeting, says the head of Veterans for Kerry, John Hurley, called him twice and pressured him to change the story he had already told a Kansas City Star reporter about the 1971 meeting.

According to Mr. Musgrave, Mr. Hurley told him that the senator "was definitely not in Kansas City." The New York Sun reports that Mr. Musgrave, who received three Purple Hearts in Vietnam, told Mr. Hurley that "I remember what I remember." Mr. Hurley then said, "Why don't you refresh your memory and call that reporter back?" Mr. Hurley says he thinks Mr. Musgrave is mistaken and was simply insisting Mr. Musgrave be very sure of his recollection. "I would apologize to John Musgrave if he thought in any way I was pressuring him," he told the Kansas City Star.


72 posted on 05/28/2004 7:47:16 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: jrlc

The veteran, John Musgrave, says he was called twice by the head of Veterans for Kerry, John Hurley, while a reporter for the Kansas City Star worked on a follow-up piece to a New York Sun article about the November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which a plot to kill U.S. senators was voted down. Asked by The New York Sun if he felt pressured, Mr. Musgrave said, “In the second call I did.” Mr. Musgrave said Mr. Hurley said Mr. Kerry had told him “he was definitely not in Kansas City.”

According to Mr. Musgrave, Mr. Hurley said, “Why don’t you refresh your memory and call that reporter back?”

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The "Doghunters" are on the prowl. The band of Vietnam veterans who have been protecting John Kerry's political flank since 1984 will be canvassing American Legion halls and Veterans of Foreign Wars posts in coming weeks to mobilize support for the Democrat's presidential bid.


The timing suggests a counteroffensive designed to help Kerry with military voters after he angered Republicans — and upset a few Democrats — with his wartime comment that the United States, like Iraq (news - web sites), needed a "regime change."



73 posted on 05/28/2004 7:59:28 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: stainlessbanner
"I think we can put together the largest veteran organization ever to support a political candidate," Hurley said. "The message is simple: We want a veteran in the White House."

I guess Hurley doesn't consider National Guard men and women who serve veterans.

74 posted on 05/28/2004 8:03:06 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Chieftain
Sorry, I am not Scary, this has has never happened to me before, and may never happen again, but...
I have an FR record of what I said when I said it (that was in the dream too) so I will leave it alone (Hopefully forever)

Good Night, Only the few people that know me (as Texas Transplant) will question my sanity (locally), I have already screwed up big time, (I mentioned it to the wife, doouh!), Now there will be no end.
 
I would be very worried if I had a vast fortune, but since I am bailing her A$$ out from her last couple of business ventures, the chances of me waking up in the morning are better than most would expect.

75 posted on 05/28/2004 8:09:04 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (The Democrats would rather win the WH than the War against Islamic Extremists)
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To: kcvl

Right. Like Kerry himself, the campaign can't decide whether it wants to defend his statements that he saw/committed/knew about atrocities or back away, saying the statments were "youthful exaggerations," etc. Complete confusion and repeated lies.


76 posted on 05/28/2004 8:09:43 PM PDT by jrlc
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To: jrlc
Vets Against Kerry

``I took offense then and I take offense now,'' said Ted Sampley, 57, who helped organize a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. Kerry helped turn policy makers against the war, potentially ruining U.S. chances for a victory, Sampley said. ``His testimony in '71 echoed all through those years.''

Sampley said his group has sent out 30,000 to 40,000 anti- Kerry bumper stickers and has more than 3,000 names on a direct mailing list. His group plans to organize protests and show up at campaign events and question Kerry, Sampley said.

``I really think those leveling that criticism are in a distinct minority,'' Hurley, head of the Veterans for Kerry group, said on a conference call with reporters this month. ``I have had countless vets come to me and say of his testimony in 1971 -- `That's the Kerry we want'.'

77 posted on 05/28/2004 8:16:39 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: JLO

Thanks for the ping!


78 posted on 05/28/2004 8:59:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: kcvl
``I really think those leveling that criticism are in a distinct minority,'' Hurley, head of the Veterans for Kerry group, said on a conference call with reporters this month. ``I have had countless vets come to me and say of his testimony in 1971 -- `That's the Kerry we want'.'

That's the Big Lie -- that most veterans somehow approve of what John Kerry said to slander them after he bailed out of Vietnam. We'll see how long the Kerryites and their media pals can maintain that particular fiction...

79 posted on 05/28/2004 9:40:21 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
Thanks for the ping.


I missed the early show will try and catch the rerun..

What I have heard over the course of the past two days is that the JFKerry campaign plans to accuse the Bush administration of "evil" deeds to current Veterans.

Interesting that the party of forced welfare, and scaring the senior citizens about loosing their social security have decided to use the military as their campaign tool.

Sure does explain why Hillry got herself on the Armed Forces Committee, she has been a most useful tool. This bunch have become a curse upon this nation and I pray that their evil deeds will be rewarded sooner than latter.
80 posted on 05/29/2004 1:11:51 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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