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Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet(He has no shame)
NewsMax ^ | Monday, May 31, 2004 | Karl Limbacher

Posted on 05/31/2004 8:09:15 PM PDT by Kaslin

Democratic Senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.

Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 AM Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about six feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN tee-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of school children. Sampley then showed the tee-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."

Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!"

Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Senator John McCain's cheif aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose.

Sampley's group, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, has garnered huge national attention and been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and on MSNBC's Scarborough Country. Tens of thousands of Vietnam vets have registered their opposition to Kerry through Sampley's group.

Clearly Sampley has gotten under Kerry's skin once again.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 229; hanoijohn; kerry; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; tedsampley; vietnamveteran; vvajk
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To: mykdsmom

I'm glad you posted that picture. I thought he was here for that rally.


151 posted on 05/31/2004 11:52:00 PM PDT by dstarr (I'm proud of my husband who was a Viet Nam vet.)
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To: prairiebreeze; Howlin

Did you see this? Kerry gave someone the bird at The Wall yesterday.


152 posted on 05/31/2004 11:58:34 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Kaslin

So what if Sampley's a felon? You're a confessed war criminal!


153 posted on 06/01/2004 12:05:05 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: LincolnLover
And, not to stand up for John Kerry or anything, but I can only assume that those who are offended by Kerry's lack of tact in this supposed incident were likewise offended by the Bush-Cheney open-mic conversation about Adam Clymer four years ago.

Please. Neither Bush nor Cheney said or did anything to Clymer's face, as Kerry is accused of doing with Sampley.

Nice try.............no, I take that back.

154 posted on 06/01/2004 12:14:35 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Kaslin; jmstein7; Petronski; Dan from Michigan; righthand man; Bloody Sam Roberts; neutrino; ...


155 posted on 06/01/2004 12:14:53 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
That's the best anti-Kerry graphic I've ever seen posted anywhere. Congrats...

--Boot Hill

156 posted on 06/01/2004 12:21:31 AM PDT by Boot Hill (America...thy hand shall be upon the neck of thine enemies.)
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To: Kaslin
John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning

Not very presidential!!!!! This guy is not far behind Dean and Gore in the loose cannon category........

157 posted on 06/01/2004 3:38:22 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: Kaslin

Someone had to get a picture of this!


158 posted on 06/01/2004 3:41:59 AM PDT by mystery-ak (*They are all Pat Tillman's*........Rush)
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To: Kaslin

Bump for later read, nice story


159 posted on 06/01/2004 3:46:54 AM PDT by Lockbar
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

"This Web site has exceeded its allotted bandwidth and has been temporarily suspended."


160 posted on 06/01/2004 4:14:50 AM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: neutrino



Communist Vietnamese Honor John Kerry, the War Protestor, as a Hero in the Communist Victory over the United States in the Vietnam War.
In the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum (formerly known as the "War Crimes Museum") in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), a photograph of John Kerry hangs in a room dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War. The photograph shows then-Massachusetts Lieutenant Governor Kerry being greeted by the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, Comrade Do Muoi.
Jeffrey M. Epstein of Vietnam Vets for the Truth acquired the photograph over the Memorial Day weekend as America was commemorating its military heroes. Epstein’s organization, Vietnam Vets for the Truth, had issued a general request last week for photographs documenting Kerry’s activities on behalf of the enemy. Bob Shirley, a Vietnam Swift Boat veteran (www.pcf45.com), sent the photograph to Epstein in response to that call. Shirley recently joined over 200 other Swift Boat in signing an open letter stating that Kerry is "...not fit to be commander-in-chief."
161 posted on 06/01/2004 4:16:22 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls - Proof that when the Main Stream Media wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: Boazo
I updated my pic! Thanks!


162 posted on 06/01/2004 4:18:14 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree)
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To: ladyinred

This story is another example of sloppy NewsMax reporting. Consider the heart of the allegation:

> Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!" <

Who's doing the relating here? We're not told. Sampley's quotes have run out, it's not him talking. This is simply the writer talking, and we don't know what his sources are. Where are corroborating witnesses? Or, for that matter, the attempt to get the other side of the story from the Kerry camp? NM really has to tighten up its standards. If they would do so they would have far more impact, as more people would come to trust them.


163 posted on 06/01/2004 4:19:43 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks. That's one guy, at least, who's willing to sign his name to what happened.


164 posted on 06/01/2004 4:21:30 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Kaslin

GREAT CATCH!

THANKS.

I hope this reaches Hanity et al or even OReilly.


165 posted on 06/01/2004 4:22:06 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Kaslin

That's just how Kerry reacts when he gets "Hanoi'd".


166 posted on 06/01/2004 4:36:19 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Interesting Times

That "eye witness" account sounds 3rd party to me.


167 posted on 06/01/2004 4:38:27 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Carl, folks are clamoring for verification. Were there any witnesses? Can you please shed any light?

Thanks, Prairie


168 posted on 06/01/2004 4:42:29 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (The RATS must turn to a cheating, lying, perjurist/rapist to try to save their candidate. Bwahahaha!)
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To: Rebelbase
That "eye witness" account sounds 3rd party to me.

Yeah, I took that back already...

169 posted on 06/01/2004 4:54:53 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: rwfromkansas

there is no pic of the snowboarding fall. Was it fake?


170 posted on 06/01/2004 4:56:13 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: Interesting Times

Gotcha. I'm precaffinated and slow as molasass this morning.


171 posted on 06/01/2004 4:56:51 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Petronski

bump!


172 posted on 06/01/2004 4:59:44 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: Kaslin

Prince John strikes again.


173 posted on 06/01/2004 5:02:32 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Kaslin
I'm not surprised to read this. Kerry is scum and makes one wish for the "good old days" of Clinton. Even Bill Clinton wouldn't have stooped so low as to flip someone off in public infront of school children etc.

John F. Kerry Sucks

174 posted on 06/01/2004 5:15:01 AM PDT by Ragirl (Vote in '04 ! Those who sit on their hands end up with poop on them.)
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To: Kaslin

You have to realize that John Kerry is in a bad mood these days. First, he is the invisible, non-candidate. Second, no one has any interest in him. I watched his movement and participation in the Memorial Day activities, and it was quite clear that he was not receiving a warm reception. All his campaign stops were lightly attended. I guess like the woman that accosted him at the Vietnam Memorial, most American people are learning that this guy is a traitor, and in fact, was directly responsible for the deaths of some of those brave Americans whose names are etched into the wall.


175 posted on 06/01/2004 5:26:36 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Kaslin

Allright Ted!....too bad you didnt get a chance to break that assault finger off....
I cant think of a more disgusting job then to have to protect this POS....what a bummer


176 posted on 06/01/2004 5:26:57 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Kaslin; All
Well, I have a different take on this. As much as I dislike John Kerry, he has the right to go to the Wall as much as anyone. Unhindered/harassed,etc.

I am one of the original donor$ to this project known as The Wall. Also, an annual donor and at times, in between. The Wall must be maintained. At one time, some of the panels were cracking. Had to be replaced. A new light system is being installed. This Wall was built by Vietnam Vets and those interested in Honoring our Fallen.

Much info can be found @ www.vvmf.org

Anyone has the right to visit without being told "I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here." An LEO could perhaps escort a malcontent or disruptor from the Wall, but Mr.Sampley was acting in no official capacity, assuming this whole thing happened in the first place. He, nor anyone else has such authority. The Wall belongs to us all...

177 posted on 06/01/2004 5:58:36 AM PDT by donozark (I have benefited unfairly from the Bush tax cuts and rebounding economy. I feel SOO guilty!)
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To: Kaslin
What do you mean NewsMax has backed off? It's still on the left side where it was when I posted the article and I just did a disk cleanup and rebooted

I stand corrected. Sorry about that.

178 posted on 06/01/2004 6:01:21 AM PDT by Zechariah11 ("so they weighed for my hire thirty pieces of silver.")
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To: Kaslin

Amazing - and he wants to be president? Regardless of what he feels - he has to maintain some sort of dignity in public. He is absolutely out of control. He is a child.


179 posted on 06/01/2004 6:30:19 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Thanks for the ping!


180 posted on 06/01/2004 6:31:47 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21

And I can guess that I won't see this footage on the top of the hour news recap?

Semper Fi


181 posted on 06/01/2004 6:33:02 AM PDT by dd5339 (Happiness is a full VM-II and a DEAD AND BURIED AWB!)
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To: Smartass; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; dixiechick2000; ...
Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet

Excerpt:

Democratic Senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.

Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 AM Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about six feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN tee-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of school children. Sampley then showed the tee-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


182 posted on 06/01/2004 6:37:04 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Smartass
Kerry 'FLIPS' once again !
I can't wait to see his FLOP now !! :^D

183 posted on 06/01/2004 6:40:44 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Kaslin
Kerry sure has class! NOT!!


184 posted on 06/01/2004 6:40:50 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to be silent.)
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To: Smartass
He's sure taking a LOT of heat lately, huh ??

He should. After all, it's HIM that decided to make Viet Nam an issue !!

Kerry Heckled at Memorial Day Event

Excerpt:

Sen. John Kerry's record as an anti-war protester came back to haunt him on Memorial Day when he was confronted by a heckler as he tried to pay his respects to a soldier killed in the Vietnam War.

"How much money are you getting to betray our POWs?" an unidentified middle-aged woman shouted as Kerry visited the Vietnam Veterans memorial on the Washington Mall.

"Are you paying tribute to all the people you spat on, Senator Kerry?" she added.

< /snip>

The heckling episode served to underscore the resentment many veterans still feel towards Kerry from his days as a leader with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, when he teamed up with anti-American actress Jane Fonda.


185 posted on 06/01/2004 6:42:30 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub


186 posted on 06/01/2004 6:43:23 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: donozark

Thank you donozark for your comments. Sometimes things are carried just a wee bit too far.


187 posted on 06/01/2004 6:47:14 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: yall

Amazing what Botox can do for a John!


188 posted on 06/01/2004 6:47:16 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks, I will read later today.


189 posted on 06/01/2004 6:47:37 AM PDT by Kate of Spice Island (sKerry to imagine the Kerry's swearing around Tony Blair or anyone else in power.)
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To: MeekOneGOP; ALOHA RONNIE
Pretty out_of_control, that. Flipping the middle finger off in anger IN FRONT OF CHILDREN, nevermind it is very telling character arrestment for a gigilo seeking the presidency.

Very shallow and certainly lacking in judgement. Untrustworthy. Willing to seek an ounce of revenge in front of little ones--geeeez.

(And since his current wife demanded a pre-nup, apparently she does not trust him either.)

Blaming falls on body guards, losing temper and cursing at them in public, flipping the bird off with children present when confronted with the opposition, my, my, very whimpy.

Thank you Ted, for a yet another sick glimpse of this oily coiffed egomaniac. And thank you for getting up close and personal with the enemy within.

190 posted on 06/01/2004 6:49:41 AM PDT by Republic
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To: Squantos
It would be hard to tell considering it is a black & white photo. I've blown it up but the quality decreases significantly....maybe if we had the colors we could still have an idea of what they represent.
191 posted on 06/01/2004 7:09:49 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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To: Kaslin; All

Why wasn't there a plan ahead of time to get this on tape??

We need better organization!!


192 posted on 06/01/2004 7:14:47 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Kaslin

While I believe that Kerry is fully capable of the behavior described, I do not believe this article is true. My reason; if the Secret Service agents let Sampley get that close, they should all be fired. No way is anyone going to "get in his face". The heckler is another story.


193 posted on 06/01/2004 7:22:36 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Another Vietnam Vet against John f'n Kerry)
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To: Paul_B
This story is another example of sloppy NewsMax reporting. Consider the heart of the allegation:

And here is another. While Newmaxs is trying to blame other media outlets for the following. I found that they were the only ones to run with the following last week. I think that they are beneath scum for attempting to get this started while our troops are in harms way. I personnally do not want to read anything by Newsmax. This really tipped the scale.

Media's Mission Accomplished: U.S. Troops Now Called 'Baby Killers'

194 posted on 06/01/2004 7:40:07 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: arthurus

Look....I just tend to believe that a man flipping a guy off in front of many schoolchildren and cameras would be caught by somebody.

If you actually believe that nobody else would have seen this.....come on.


195 posted on 06/01/2004 7:58:15 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: anoldafvet; Kaslin; PhilDragoo; devolve
While I believe that Kerry is fully capable of the behavior described, I do not believe this article is true. My reason; if the Secret Service agents let Sampley get that close, they should all be fired. No way is anyone going to "get in his face".

If so, then, who is lying to Newsmax ??? ...

Democratic Senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.


196 posted on 06/01/2004 8:11:18 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: anoldafvet; Kaslin; PhilDragoo; devolve
Borrowed the link at #60, I think:

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Letters


197 posted on 06/01/2004 8:14:25 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: kcvl
LOL! "I'm too sexy for my hair!"

198 posted on 06/01/2004 8:19:23 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is ONLY ONE good Democrat: one that has just been voted OUT of POWER ! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: rwfromkansas

If the only people with cameras running were journalists then chances are that those pictures did not survive. Kerry's falls are never preserved in pictures for posterity. That does not mean that the event occurred, just that there is little likelihood that there will be pictures available if it did happen.


199 posted on 06/01/2004 8:37:28 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: TexKat

I can't find a thing wrong with that story. What the media was doing with the prisoner abuse story should be looked at. Admittedly, the NM story was not in depth, and the mere mention of the baby-killing slur will inflame or mislead some cursory readers already so-disposed. But the article's title makes clear where NM is coming from.

In general I don't go as far as you about NM. But I've seen enough loose ends to read them scrutinously. OTOH, they've broken many stories by being willing to be the first to go to print. I think they are a valuable service which could be a lot more valuable.


200 posted on 06/01/2004 8:44:21 AM PDT by Paul_B
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