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Clergymen take religion to a nightclub!
Contender Ministries ^ | June 27th, 2004

Posted on 06/28/2004 6:56:33 PM PDT by missyme

Two clergymen in Denver have found a new way of taking religion to the masses, they have opened a church in a nightclub. Every fortnight people are greeted by the founder Matt Honeycutt, who holds a pint of beer in one hand while welcoming people with the other.

According to The Daily Enquirer, it is mainly people in their 20s and 30s who are comfortable with finding God in a bar. They believe in following the teachings of Christ in a wholesome atmosphere that does not tolerate excessive drinking.

Mike Shepherd, the founder of the church has taken the initiative in order to reach out to the few drunkards who attend church.

"That's where believers are more likely to go if they're disconnected from God and the traditional church, but still have a tugging in their heart for something more," he said. (ANI)


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1 posted on 06/28/2004 6:56:34 PM PDT by missyme
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I really have heard it all..Homosexuals infiltrating the Church, Clergyman in Bars finding GOD! what's next!


2 posted on 06/28/2004 6:58:28 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme
What's next? Maybe something radical like the Apostle Paul writing "I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some."

People are to be met where they are and introduced to Jesus.

3 posted on 06/28/2004 7:09:33 PM PDT by TexasNative2000
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To: TexasNative2000

People that have met "Jesus" drunk usually don't remember him sober.....


4 posted on 06/28/2004 7:10:54 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Don't knock it. I've seen some real healing and teaching happen at Theology on Tap meetings here.


5 posted on 06/28/2004 7:13:10 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Let's win one more for the Gipper!)
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

Healing people from being drunk? or being in the bar?


6 posted on 06/28/2004 7:15:05 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Well they turned the world famous Gold Club in Atlanta (former strip club here) into a church.


7 posted on 06/28/2004 7:15:46 PM PDT by buckeyesrule
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To: missyme
Just what is needed: Another Church of What's Happenin' Now.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

8 posted on 06/28/2004 7:17:47 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: buckeyesrule

This is true or your joking...Yeah I heard the owner was some kind of extornionist thug..


9 posted on 06/28/2004 7:20:34 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Didn't Jesus turn water into wine? Or did I misread that?


10 posted on 06/28/2004 7:21:52 PM PDT by Azrael
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To: missyme

Yes a christian church in the Atlanta area rented the building for a few months.....they fixed it up and opened up a church there for about 3 or 4 months. The Gold Club property will eventually become a site for condos.


11 posted on 06/28/2004 7:23:50 PM PDT by buckeyesrule
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To: Azrael

Not only that, He also ate with sinners and tax collectors. ((But don't tell anyone - they might get offended.))


12 posted on 06/28/2004 7:24:30 PM PDT by TexasNative2000
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To: missyme
They believe in following the teachings of Christ in a wholesome atmosphere that does not tolerate excessive drinking.

Not everyone in a bar is there to get drunk, although the article seems to shift between portraying this as an atmosphere of self-control and one of blatant drunkenness. I've seen a man come back to the church after a long period of being lost in extremely serious sin by coming to one of these meetings and meeting our bishop. An atmosphere was created in which that man was comfortable admitting his sins in public and coming for spiritual help. It was a beautiful thing.

13 posted on 06/28/2004 7:24:40 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Let's win one more for the Gipper!)
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To: Azrael

Yes he did, but I don't remeber him or the Apsotles sitting at the local watering hole trying to talk about the Gospels to the lost...


14 posted on 06/28/2004 7:25:38 PM PDT by missyme
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To: TexasNative2000

I am shocked! I also heard a rumor that it is alleged that Christ not only partook of wine but also produced it in abundant quantity and gave it to His disciples at the Last Supper.


15 posted on 06/28/2004 7:26:09 PM PDT by Azrael
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To: missyme

They're stealing ideas from comedian Tim Wilson, who wrote "First Baptist Bar & Grill".

Check out a clip of the song here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006CTFU/qid=1088475927/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-6574716-7416722


16 posted on 06/28/2004 7:27:18 PM PDT by wimpycat ("The road to the promised land runs past Sinai."-C.S. Lewis)
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

People that are in bars usually find there way to GOD eventually, The Clergy is not going to speed up the process any faster by being in the bar too...


17 posted on 06/28/2004 7:29:50 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Instead of hanging out at a local watering hole Jesus just produced huge amounts of wine for a party. Ok.


18 posted on 06/28/2004 7:30:13 PM PDT by Azrael
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To: missyme

Bars are EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact I once met a woman in a bar. And then we fornicated. Evil!


19 posted on 06/28/2004 7:32:02 PM PDT by Azrael
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To: wimpycat

Pretty funny! maybe Clergy in the Bars is a Southern Tradition....


20 posted on 06/28/2004 7:32:31 PM PDT by missyme
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22 posted on 06/28/2004 7:35:04 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Azrael

I don't know about evil, But if your not in the Bar to get drunk what's the point? nothing can be more boring talking to a bunch of drunks when your sober...


23 posted on 06/28/2004 7:35:24 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme
People that are in bars usually find there way to GOD eventually

I take it that you are from a faith that believes that drinking an alcoholic beverage is a mortal sin. I am not. That said, I don't believe that anyone you'll find in a bar is necessarily more sinful than the average person you'll run into in public. I'm not as optimistic as you are that people usually find their way to God, but I don't think people who frequent a bar are in any particular danger just by being there.

24 posted on 06/28/2004 7:39:38 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Let's win one more for the Gipper!)
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To: missyme

I usually go to a bar to have a drink, or sometimes two. Something expensive that I would not want to pay the $ for the bottle. Getting drunk is not the purpose, nor is it the goal. From time to time there are drunk people who humiliate themselves and their families with their behavior. I guess I believe that adults (I admit the word "adult" no longer has a conotation of "responsibility") who are responsible can go out and have a few drinks and behave accordingly.


25 posted on 06/28/2004 7:41:21 PM PDT by Azrael
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

Absolutely not! I love to drink wine...

I am saying people that hang out in Bars where the clergy attend our proably too looped to learn anything about Jesus and his message....


26 posted on 06/28/2004 7:43:21 PM PDT by missyme
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To: Azrael

True, but I doubt that the Clergy is in those type of establishments....


27 posted on 06/28/2004 7:44:23 PM PDT by missyme
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28 posted on 06/28/2004 7:46:00 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Let's win one more for the Gipper!)
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To: missyme
I've joked with the pastor of our church that if we wanted to increase membership, all we had to do was to serve free beer.

I was joking! And somebody goes out and actually does this! It may be entirely legitimate, but I think it stand to reason that this will raise more than a few eyebrows...

29 posted on 06/28/2004 7:48:10 PM PDT by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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To: missyme

Perhaps the clergy should be in the bad establishments. The worst establishments. Just maybe, the clergy should go to where the sinners are and reach out to them. The clergy should be in the bars, whore houses and places of ill repute. Go to where the sin is and you will find the future of the church. Let them repent and come back to grace.


30 posted on 06/28/2004 7:49:55 PM PDT by Azrael
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To: boycottliberalhollywood.com

I bet...I once went to a church social gathering and saw the pastor drinking and smoking, he did not act out of line maybe he was a bit louder than usual but it just felt kinda weird, like seeing your mother drunk...


31 posted on 06/28/2004 7:52:33 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme
Interesting idea. I imagine they might be able to help people, i.e. if someone has gone to the bar to escape their troubles. Jesus didn't preach in the Synagogue's much. He went out to where the people were. This seems to go along with the theme.
32 posted on 06/28/2004 7:53:50 PM PDT by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party- Save USA,-Vote a Dem out of office)
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To: Azrael

Agreed, unless the clergy is partaking in the SIN too..

and with what is happening with some of the clergy lately, they just might be worse than the sinner there attempting to save....


33 posted on 06/28/2004 7:55:06 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme
Good, I thought this might get hostile :-)

I am saying people that hang out in Bars where the clergy attend our proably too looped to learn anything about Jesus and his message....

Not at all. Our Theology on Tap meetings are well-advertised events. It's not like a minister just hangs out there and approaches people about Jesus, hoping for a convert. They are set up as a meeting for young adults to have a discussion with a featured speaker about theology and church issues in a relaxed setting, where we can order a beer or two. Most people who show up are aware of what's going on, and behave accordingly. The events in the article you posted seem to be similar to these. The sessions here in my town used to take place in the basement of one of the local churches, but attendance has tripled since it was moved to a bar downtown.

34 posted on 06/28/2004 7:56:25 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Let's win one more for the Gipper!)
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To: missyme

Sure. But I would say that most clergy get beat up in the media. Most folks of the cloth are good people and that there are a few bad apples in every barrel. And having A beer and A smoke (or two) is not partaking in the sin, it is just having a beer and a smoke. Now, if your clergyman is slumped over at the bar screaming that he is Peter Pantsless, then there is a problem.


35 posted on 06/28/2004 7:59:20 PM PDT by Azrael
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To: GenXFreedomFighter

Well if it's working then great, but people in general will use every excuse to explain there behaviour and there are many people that will use the message of GOD to continue with there problems....


36 posted on 06/28/2004 8:01:40 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

Sure. You'll find those people everywhere.


37 posted on 06/28/2004 8:04:49 PM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter (Let's win one more for the Gipper!)
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To: Azrael

Somehow I just can't imagine Billy Graham or the Pope having a beer and a smoke in the local bar, and I bet if you saw them there you would look twice...


38 posted on 06/28/2004 8:06:06 PM PDT by missyme
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To: missyme

I'd look twice because I'd be glad to see them. And then I would buy them each a beer and pack of camels and tell them it was nice to finally see some Christians who were not holier than thou judgemental stone throwers. Although I have great respect for both the Pope and Billy Graham-I do not have much respect for a lot of their fundamentalist judgemental followers.


39 posted on 06/28/2004 8:16:24 PM PDT by Azrael
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To: Azrael
Now, if your clergyman is slumped over at the bar screaming that he is Peter Pantsless, then there is a problem.



Clergyman Barney, anyone?
40 posted on 06/28/2004 8:24:15 PM PDT by KangarooJacqui ("Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.")
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To: Azrael

It's always nice IMO to look at figures that you can consider to have higher standards than your self...

When you bring them down to your level you loose respect..
That is why so many of todays kids do not respect a darn thing there parents say, when it comes to the clergy they too will loose respect, and lastly if you do not put GOD on the highest plain imaginable for a human being to do you sabatoge your final destiny..


41 posted on 06/28/2004 8:24:39 PM PDT by missyme
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To: Azrael

That is fine - but what are they offering? Are they offering to change God's teachings to their liking or to have these people change to what God likes?

Just what was proven by the minister greeting them with a beer in his hand? Did it prove that God is a good ole drinker too? Did it say, "See, I believe and I can still hold a beer"?

I worry about the quick rush to change to make faith more "inviting" to those that don't bother to seek it in the first place. It starts a trend saying that we can't get them, so we must change to be what they will accept.

Where does that end?


42 posted on 06/28/2004 9:08:22 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: Azrael

What about respect for God? I don't care where people talk to other people about God. What I care about is how God is treated. Is it right to dishonor Him so that a drunk feels comfortable?

Are we putting the comfort of sinners above God? Would you take your mother into a bar of drunks? No, why? Respect - that is why. Shouldn't God be deserving of respect by his people since God is the one offering His Son to die for them and offering man the chance of eternity?

Does He need to offer a beer also to be acceptable?


43 posted on 06/28/2004 9:14:51 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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Did it say, "See, I believe and I can still hold a beer"?,

If you see this as some kind of contradiction or hypocrisy on the minister's part, you obviously come from a strain of Christianity that regards consumption of alcohol as a sin.

As for making faith more "inviting," I see a vast difference between pandersing by changing the message and presenting the same message in venues that might draw more people in. The question is, how many 20-30 year old single people will show up at a theology lecture held in a church basement, versus how many will show up at the exact same lecture held in a popular bar?

Of course, if you belive that teetotaling is essential to being a Christian, then you'll see Theology on Tap or its protestant copycats as pandering to drinkers.

44 posted on 06/28/2004 9:48:43 PM PDT by possum
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To: missyme

What's new about this?

Catholics have had an ongoing young adult program called Theology on Tap for years now!


45 posted on 06/28/2004 10:00:47 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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It doesn't matter what I believe - it is a matter of respect for God.

It is one thing to go talk to them and then bring them to a church, meeting, house or whatever. It is another thing to set up a church (which is God's house) in the midst of what God wishes to turn them from. What next? Why not just have church in the sewer to make all comfortable? What are we doing? Sincerely seeking the lost to lead them to a life filled with God and faith OR seeking to devalue religion so that nothing has to be given up to follow God?

I see what you are getting at and I totally agree - get the message to the people. But, I think the message also should reflect the respect we have for God. What are we showing them if we don't reflect the consideration and respect for the holiness of God?

Why was Jesus sent to die on the cross? Because we - in our sin - were unworthy to live in the presence of God and the only way we could be made worthy was by Jesus giving his blood to save us. If this is true, I think there must be a consideration of where we take his church and what we are willing to give up to make His church acceptable to people.

After all, who is the one giving salvation here?

Where is the glory to God reflected in greeting people with a beer in one hand? Gee, does it try and get the message to people that "You see, God feels you can have a beer while you worship Him?"

And just how eternally important is a beer in the hand as we worship the Lord that is offering His Son that died for our sins so that we could live with Him eternally?


46 posted on 06/28/2004 10:34:08 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: missyme
If we don't talk about the Gospel to the lost, then who are we supposed to talk about it to?
47 posted on 06/29/2004 6:51:04 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (USAF Security Forces (1994-2003) Soon to be ANG.)
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To: Azrael
Now, if your clergyman is slumped over at the bar screaming that he is Peter Pantsless, then there is a problem.

ROTFL!!!! That is freaking hilarious!!!! Thanks for the laugh!!!!

48 posted on 06/29/2004 6:56:44 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (USAF Security Forces (1994-2003) Soon to be ANG.)
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To: TattooedUSAFConservative

So would you agree the Clergy hanging out in the local Strip Clubs? or a crack house? Clergy must not compromise there respectability for GOD and his church by attending establishments that condone sinful behaviour....

The lost can be reached through other means...


49 posted on 06/29/2004 6:59:55 AM PDT by missyme
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So would you agree the Clergy hanging out in the local Strip Clubs? or a crack house? Clergy must not compromise there respectability for GOD and his church by attending establishments that condone sinful behaviour....

Isn't the most important thing clergy can do is save lost souls? Maybe that involves getting their hands dirty by hanging out in the bad part of town. IIRC, Jesus hung out with lowlifes, too (heck, some of the Apostles were lowlifes before they met Him).

If a clergyman could convince the denizens of a crack house to change their ways and find religion, isn't that a good thing?

I don't think God would consider it disrespectful for a clergyman to hang out in sinful establishments if the clergyman was there to save souls. Other people might be scandalized by the clergyman's behavior, but so what?

50 posted on 06/29/2004 7:06:39 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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