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Note the source of the graphical aid. At least the article makes some mention of the ethical issues involved. The article made no mention of therapeutic cloning that I remember. The products of conception just happen.

1 posted on 07/29/2004 8:13:31 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 07/29/2004 8:16:49 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

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4 posted on 07/29/2004 8:24:44 PM PDT by MadMoo (GO Bush!)
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To: neverdem
As I have explained over and over again to my friends.

Bush does not ban stem cell research, he restricts federal funding for it.

Now if stem cell research is so promising, and can cure all these diseases in good time, wouldn't that mean the pharmaceutical industry would be investing like crazy in it?

Think about this, the amount of money they could make if this stuff works out even half as good as people hope.

But these companies don't pour money into research do they? No, why? Because they know that its a pie in sky like fetal tissue research was. Its not a moral issue to them, its a financial issue, that silence you hear, is the true feelings about those who would have the most to gain if this would work.

5 posted on 07/29/2004 8:34:48 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: neverdem

A lousy article, but hey it's the NY Slimes.
They don't tell you that stem cells don't just come from embryos!

Adult stem cells have been used for years to cure diseases, even grow new heart muscle. (did you know that bone marrow is essentially blood in stem cell form?) Embryonic stem cell experiments in animals have a high rate of bad side-effects, like tumors and cancer.

This article, The Stem Cell Cover-Up, written well before Ron's speech, blows his arguments out of the water. Please check it out and challenge Ron with some SCIENTIFICFACTS.

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/16/National/The-Stem.Cell.CoverUp-682587.shtml

Many of the people pushing stem cell research are in the biotech field and would profit from more federal funding, because they are having a hard time finding private investors. Can you say VESTED INTEREST?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,43880,00.html


7 posted on 07/29/2004 8:51:36 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: neverdem
"The problem is that everyone is looking for magic," Dr. McKay said. "Academics are too." ...In spite of all the lies about Bush supposedly limiting stem cell research, he really has only put restrictions on new strains of embryonic stem cells - there are still cells available from strains established pre the restrictions - an expert on Fox News a few nights ago said that since the restrictions were established, 400 batches of the "approved" cells were released for research - with 3000 more batches already packaged and waiting to be distributed as needed - real science, as opposed to science fiction a la Ron Reagan II - takes deliberation and time......
8 posted on 07/29/2004 8:52:38 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: neverdem

The comment about candidate positions OMITS that President Bush fully supports and encourages stem cell research that does not use embryonic or fetal cells, other than the ones already in existence. And EVERY therapeutic use of stem cells that actually benefited a patient came from sources that are fully supported by the President.


10 posted on 07/29/2004 9:06:33 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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11 posted on 07/29/2004 9:07:58 PM PDT by Mrs Zip
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To: neverdem
"The core ethical problem is that this research requires destroying human beings at the embryonic stage,"

So how is this different from what the Red Chinese are doing with harvesting transplant organs from condemned prisoners?

What the Chicoms are doing in sacrificing human lives for treatment of others is actually more ethical. Organ transplants are therapeutically proven. But there are no stem cell cures. So this is sacrificing human lives in the hope of eventually finding cures that require more sacrificing of human lives.

12 posted on 07/29/2004 9:21:03 PM PDT by pttttt
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To: neverdem
Researchers, however, have not yet cured any disease or even routinely turned embryo cells into specific adult cells.

Here is your Science Komrad Kerry.

13 posted on 07/29/2004 9:37:16 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: neverdem

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ron Reagan Jr. seemed to be at odds with his father his whole life, but is now concerned about stem cell research, reportedly regarding how it could lead to treating people afflicted with Alzheimer's disease....

Ronald Reagan was pro-life, and although the stem cell research controversy was not part of his political arena, I think he would have been against harvesting unborn fetus tissue for this research.

I think that Ron Jr.'s appearance at the DNC convention was just one more slap in the old man's face.

It's so sad that one of the greatest leaders of this country has such sorry progeny as Ron Jr. and Patty. What happened?


14 posted on 07/29/2004 9:40:42 PM PDT by giznort
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To: neverdem
If they want federal money, scientists must agree to use only cells derived from embryos dating from before Aug. 9, 2001. Many hope for a real policy change.

One of the barely mentioned significant parts.

They're perfectly free to do all this with their own money, corporate money, or even other private money.

If it's such a boon, why aren't the giant pharmaceuticals doing just that. They'll get rich!

But none of them are touching it.

16 posted on 07/29/2004 11:55:42 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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19 posted on 07/30/2004 7:58:06 PM PDT by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed her children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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This is the closest I've seen in any major media article to explaining the need for cloning of a twin of the patient:

""Many scientists hope eventually to make customized stem cells for patients by starting the cloning process, making an embryo that is genetically identical to the patient, but interrupting the clone's development when it was a few days old and extracting its stem cells.""


Although the "interupting the clone's development" is a little tame - sort of like "The Nazis interupted the development of 6 million Jews."


Also, at least the reporter admits that researchers have never been able to influence the development of embryonic stem cells into specific cell types. On the other hand, adult and umbilical cells *have* been induced to de-differentiate and others have been identified as stem cells that can be induced to both differentiate into specific stem cells and/or fuse with the local cells, increasing function and healing muscle, neurological tissue, and even producing insulin.


Notice that the author did not mention the patients with spinal cord damage who are now walking with braces and swimming independently after only a couple of months?


21 posted on 07/30/2004 11:18:18 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: neverdem

btw, here's an article on how the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation is spending money on embryonic research - $3 million for research and $1 million for lobbying.
Take a look at Proposition 71 info, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/science/AP-Stem-Cell-Funder.html


22 posted on 07/30/2004 11:38:27 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: neverdem

Chris Hansen Letter To The Editor - A Former Embryo Speaks Out

Since I am a former embryo, I have every right to speak out on behalf of embryos who can not speak for themselves. I am glad that my stem cells weren't harvested! I would have been killed in the process. Many embryos have sacrificed their lives for research, and not a single disease has been cured in the process. I am now an adult, and I have lots of stem cells to donate. I don't mind donating part of myself for research. I just don't want to die in the process! Adult stem cells have cured three-hundred diseases without killing a single person. Embryos of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your lives!

Chris Hansen
Author of
Revelation Revisited


26 posted on 08/05/2004 6:23:38 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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