God is Not a Republican

Catholic way ^ | July 31, 2004 | Deacon Keith Fournier

[mastequilla]

God would never, ever, EVER condone the elimination of innocent children for the reason of convenience

The bible is full of examples of God killing innocent children - the story of Noah as one example, the plagues o Egypt as another. I don't think any of us should be speaking for what God would or wouldn't do, rather we need to look into our own hearts and decide what is right and what is wrong.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about God, abortion is wrong.

[Adult Adoptee]

God will forgive the Democrats. But He wouldn't vote for them.

[tbpiper]

I opposed the pre-emptive war in Iraq. I rejected then- and still reject - any notion of a “pre-emptive” war.....I do not see all that much difference between the two major parties on how we must act going forward in Iraq.

Idiot.

[inkling]

Political parties are our creation, not His.

Amen, brother. Trying to confine a perfect Being into an imperfect human construct (be it a political party, social organization or sports fan club) is offensive. I'm a Christian and will vote Republican since I believe the GOP is closer to God's ideal than the Dems are. Nevertheless, God does not subordinate Himself to any party platform written by his fallible creation.

[freebilly]

It [Capital Punishment] is no longer defensible in the West because it is no longer necessary to protect or preserve the common good

Making it up on the fly...?

[MindFire]

You keep referring to your article; Are you saying that you wrote this article?

I agreed with the article for the most part, up until
the part about the "health care crisis". who told the author that 'health care' was somehow a human right? and that people are entitled to govt sponsored 'health care'? I think that is so ridiculous. that is a socialist ideology. Who was it that said, a person cannot be a socialist and Catholic ,.. I think it was a Pope. the quote is on the Wanderer every month.


i also think people can still support capital punishment in good conscience,.- i heard one Cathoic guy that taught RCIA claim that supporting the death penalty is a mortal sin. That is simply not true,; I have no problem with people being against the DP, but to claim that we must be against it under the threat of mortal sin is very disengenuous and dishonest.

[pgkdan]

A schism is imminent, and Keith will stay with the corrupted gay-friendly, abortion-friendly aging-hippie pop music church while many of us will happily join the CounterCulture Church, where the old Catholic Mass is said, we aren't forced to hold hands and we can hear solemn spiritual classical music without the tamborines.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Keith Fournier may be wrong about his opposition to the War in Iraq but he is right about every other issue we face today. If you'd bothered to read his article you'd see that.

Your assumptions about his feeling of guilt for not entering the priesthood are presumptive shallow. The Permanent Dianconate is an ancient and respected and sacramental ministry of the Roman Catholic Church.

[freebilly]

FB, you must be in favor of preserving and protecting the uncommon good as well as executing the common bad....

[Larry Lucido]

"Nor is He a member of . . . ., the Libertarian party"

No? Then why did he create marijuana?

(Ducking for cover)

[Dog Gone]

I could continue, but this article is far too long already!

Amen.

The author is clearly a liberal who can't vote for the Rats because of the abortion issue. Otherwise, it wouldn't even be close.

[pgkdan]

You should read the articles you're posting to before posting a response that is so completely out of touch with the message of the author! Keith Fournier is a tireless defender of the rights of the unborn and I would wager that he has done more for the cause of Life in any one week of his life that you have done in all of yours!

[DocRock]

I bet there are some radical fundamentalist reading this thread. If so, did Sen. Biden say you will "fall under his sword" at the DNC?

Transcript:

Our friends on the other side love to quote the Bible.
Just as Joshua's trumpets brought down the walls of Jericho, just as American values brought down the Berlin Wall,
So will radical Fundamentalists fall to the terrible swift power of our ideas as well as our swords.

[loveliberty2]

"I am whole life, pro-life. I absolutely oppose the taking of innocent human life in the first home of the entire human race, the womb. Science has confirmed what our conscience has long known; the child in the womb is out neighbor. It is always and everywhere intrinsically evil to take innocent human life. It is also intrinsically evil to “manufacture” human embryonic life to then kill that life for spare parts."

We should thank the writer for such a concise statement of belief!

This question is the one which should determine our votes in November 2004. No other is as important, and the Liberal Left knows it and it fuels their hatred and animosity for George W. Bush. Here, again, they mask their real agenda, which Al Gore exposed for them this week--THEY DO NOT WANT A PRESIDENT WHO WILL APPOINT JUSTICES WHO ARE NOT ANTI-LIFE!!!!

When John Edwards declares that John Kerry will always, always protect a "woman's right to choose," he tells us all we need to know about where HE AND Kerry stand. Kerry states that he believes "life begins at conception," but he says he would not impose his beliefs on others.

By his logic, if one is "inconvenienced," or doesn't want the responsibility for taking care of a sick child, or husband, or parent, then the nation's lawmakers should not violate that person's "right to choose" to murder the source of his/her "inconvenience."

This is sheer lunacy! Of course, the Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch, and the Judiciary Branch of the United States Government must impose beliefs on the rest of society--even if those beliefs are derived from deep religious belief.

The Liberal Left's devotion to the religion of secularism is dominating judicial activism today. It must not be allowed to continue, if America is to fulfill the philosophy expressed in its Declaration of Independence. Jefferson put it best: "The God who gave us Life, gave us Liberty at the same time: the hand of force (the abortionists) may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

[Shaddap IV]

god is voting for larouche actually.>>

larouche is voting for larouche actually. which is to say.... if you ask larouche.

[Thoreau]

> God would never, ever, EVER condone the elimination of
> innocent children

Psalm 137
8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-
9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

[Quix]

Yeah.

OK.

But we'd be happy to make Him and honorary Republican!

[MissAmericanPie]

Both parties have become equally dangerous. Both parties have bought into the idea that the nation state is obsolete and needs replacing with border-less trade zones, overseen by appointed officials that rule in favor of one entity over another. So far they have ALWAYS ruled against the U.S.of A.

This ideology is the same for both parties, the only difference is one party wants to join us to our dangerous allies in the E.U. countries and won't sneeze without U.N. approval.

The other party wants to create a Western Hemisphere Zone in competition with the E.U./U.N. Both ideas are equally costly, destructive, and as a Christian you should know that this leads to the totalitarianism written of in Revelation. In fact as a Christian you know that like socialism, globalism is also a historical failure every time it's attempted.
The difference being that socialism goes out with a whimper, globalism goes out with massive death and destruction.

This is the choice the two parties offer at the bottom line. What is astounding to me is, neither party bothers to hide it's agenda, they speak fairly openly of it and citizens sit around and look dumb. Bush has positioned himself, or whomever is elected to pass the FTAA treaty, he's worked for four years to secure the "Fast Track" ability, and as congress and the senate openly admit, they don't read every detail of any legislation, or treaty, not to mention the fact of how fond they are of hiding their dirty deeds behind, "voice votes".

The Supreme Court is already studying international and Euro law and applying it to their edicts and brag that they intend to do more of the same. The Texas Sodomy Law was struck down using Euro law, not the Constitution.

You are right about living right and according to Christ's expectations of us. Because if you cannot rule your own life and control your own behavior you have a fat chance of comprehending the agenda of politicians and making an informed vote. When your own house is dirty, and your moral compass broken, it becomes easy to be deceived.

[MontanaBeth]

"The author is clearly a liberal who can't vote for the Rats because of the abortion issue. Otherwise, it wouldn't even be close."

I would say socialist, except for the abortion issue.

[tpaine]

the Deacon wrote:

He has called us into this world and given us the capacity to exercise our freedom. We make our choices and in those choices we change ourselves, as well as the world around us, for better or for worse. One of our choices is how we choose to govern ourselves ---

We chose to govern ourselves with a constitutional form of government, one that defends the primacy of individual rights in a free republic. -- Whether "we will do so for the common good" depends upon what specific 'good' is to be done. Our governments are [supposedly] severely limited in their powers to 'do good'.

It appears you do not agree on limited powers, correct?