Explosive Found in Wreckage of Second Russian Jet

ABC News ^ | 8/2/04

[Calpernia]

>>>I have the feeling that someone is trying to put Frankenstein back together again. You know the results, don't you?

That is due to the squeeze being put in on the current flow of financial and intelligence.

The resources are looking for a new source.

This (Turkey squeeze) will be stopped if Bush gets back into office.

[Calpernia]

Those weapons have been found and are now useless; well the ones that weren't transporte OUT OR Iraq before we entered.

The ones that were transported out are known as to where they are.

Those are being or have been quietly handled.

[Velveeta]

Thank you.

[boycottliberalhollywood.com]

Their goal is not a free Chechnya, it's to make Chechnya part of the worldwide islamic caliphate.

I wish folks would realize this. Once you become a Muslim, you get an instant redefinition of the world as you know it. The new world has only two nations:

Dar El Islam

The Islamic World.

Dar El Harb

The Heathen World, or, the Not Yet Islamic World.

All the elements of Islam worldwide fight for this single goal; to turn the entire planet into Dar El Islam, and to eliminate every square inch known as Dar El Harb. That is their goal. They have no other.

[Long Cut]

" Iran is not even an Arab country."

So what? It's run by radical Islamic maniacs.

"Iran had nothing to do with the 9/11ers."

After your previous BS, I now believe they had everything to do with them. In any case, there's still the hostages, Beruit, Hezbollah, Achille Lauro, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, TWA 847, their support and financing of Mookie Sadr, etc. They've been begging to get stomped for a long time.

Saudi IS a problem, but one we can solve OUR way, on OUR timetable. They don't have nukes. Iran's trying to get them. No sale.

You're practicing classic diversion tactics, Sport. Give it up.

[Calpernia]

ping

[Calpernia]

Don't attack. I want silversky to come back and give his definition of Moderate Islam.

I honestly want to know if there is one.

He brought up a good point with Turkey.

Please, let this be an intellectual debate rather than an attack.

[Long Cut]

I'm gone. Anyone who, with a straight face, claims that Iran "doesn't support or fund terrorists" isn't worth debating.

[boycottliberalhollywood.com]

If this happened in the US, I think it would cause quite a bit bigger stir than we're getting out of Russia. People would be calling for another regime to be flipped. Guess that's why they are leaving us the heck alone. Hope so.

Heh, heh, heh. You might want to consider revising that a bit to...

If this happened in the US, I think it would cause quite a bit bigger stir than we're getting out of Russia. Most citizens would turn to CNN, CBS, NBC, and ABC to explain what tragedy just befell the nation. Dutifully, they would be spoon fed such a stinking mound of excrement that only the most conservative will survive it. People will be led to believe that the terrorist event is somehow linked to a failing of George W. Bush; and to make the lie even more plausable, they will also be told that the prior president, William Jefferson Clinton, did his best to prevent this avoidable tragedy from happening. In New York City, site of the previous tragedy, remembered simply as "9/11", hundreds of thousands of protestors will take to the street, to march in condemnation of our nation's Commander In Chief. However, People Freepers would be calling for another regime to be flipped. Guess that's why they are leaving us the heck alone. Hope so.

[Calpernia]

I was hoping her would post back. You have a good night. I understand your points totally.

[Calpernia]

Typo. Her = he. No alter message. Just a typo.

[Lijahsbubbe]

Good thread.

[K. Smirnov]

You know how it all started?
When Hitler was getting close on Baku (Azeri capital), main source of oil for USSR then, Chechens rebelled, paving the way for Nazis. If Baku was captured, USSR would have been cut off from its main source of oil and the war would be over in a matter of months. No need to say, who would be the winner.
What did Stalin do? One night NKVD (People's Comissary for Interior Affairs, kind-of KGB) came over, packed all Chechens into railway cars (made for cattle) and sent them over to frozen steppes Kazakhstan (it was winter then). Many Chechens perished.
Apart from any moral evaluations of what has happend, it is important to say, that Chechens remember the exile very well, reminding about it to the world every time (cruel Russians, heavy hand!). But you will seldomly hear, why it has happened.
I wonder what have happend now if Germans captured Baku. I bet Steve Harris with his "Fatherland" could be a documentary novel.
And the author of this post could be working as a slave on some farm, if his parents were not "exterminated".

[LibWhacker]

I like what Chengis do with the real Tartars . . .

Me too! It's the only way when dealing with muslims, and not just with so-called "radical islamists." The dervishes are all gorging themselves on the same loco weed.

It is known as "The Mongol Catastrophe." To the cultured, Muslim civilization of the time—the most developed in the world—it is an overwhelming invasion by nomadic warriors, swarming out of the east. At the greatest point in their conquest, the Mongols control an empire that stretches from the Sea of Japan to the Baltic, from Korea to East Germany, taking in most of Eurasia as well. Their principal weapon is terror and the chronicles write that they "left no eye open to weep for the dead." --barbariansarecoming.com

No living Iranian or Iraqi can claim to be descended from the original inhabitants of Iran and Iraq; Chengis slaughtered nearly every single one of them. Similarly for much of the rest of the Middle East (today's inhabitants are mere vagabonds -- though just as loony, thanks to islam). Thus the underlined saying above.

I hate to admit it, but if it hadn't been for Chengis, we'd all be muslim now.

BOTTOMS UP FOR CHENGIS!!! :-)

[dimk]

seriously only islamists I ever "defended" if it can be called that is chechens. If look at my post history you will see what my opinion is on what to do with islamic crazies in Iraq, Afganistan etc(kill). Unfortunately many try to paint all of them the same color and to a certain degree its true but then how exactly was US using North alliance in Afganistan(muslims..), Kurds in Iraq(muslims). It the same mistake as it was to consider all communist states during cold war to be working on a single monster plan. China and USSR were enemies for big chunk of it and people didn't see it. It is just counterproductive to not see divisions and differences between your enemies.

I don't have any insider knowledge of current events and never claimed I do. My close friend from university served as a mercenary Mi24 pilot during the first Chechen war thats it.

I lived in Ukraine which during first Chechen war was pretty pro-Chechen, that had zero to do with them being muslim, Ukrainians on average hate muslims, during incidents in Azerbajan when Amenians were killed(Karabach etc) lots of muslims in Kiev got the shit beat out of them for no better reason then looking like muslim(some weren't) some I think ended up dead. Georgians on the city markets wore t-shirt saying "I am Georgian"(Ya Gruzin). Anyway instead of the sanitized Russian media picture of the war there, we got a quite a different view.

There were actual Ukrainian volunteers fighting there who were obviously Christian. There were Lithuanian volunteers too(some imaginary, remember the bs about Lithuanian women snipers in Russian media?) some were real and obviously non-muslim. Lithuanians perhaps wanted to pay back for OMON pogroms and tanks crushing students near Vilnus TV tower. Ukrainian were the radical nationalist movement members most of whom were from western Ukraine and just hated Russians. Their thinking was that if Russia is occupied in Chechnya it will keep its hands of Ukraine.

I realize that I wont be convincing anyone here about anything related to Chechnya. Most just don't know enough about it and don't really care, which is completely understandable given remote location and relative insignificance of the place. Some like you have Russian point of view which I know better then to try and change. Its like talking to Russians about Ukraine and its independence, pointless exercise in futility. For them we were/are/forever will be "chitryi chohly" and nothing more. On this note I make a promise to myself and to everyone here to never again post on the Chechen topic :)

[silversky]

Saudi IS a problem, but one we can solve OUR way, on OUR timetable. They don't have nukes. Iran's trying to get them. No sale.

Pakistan has nukes. With our tacit approval. And Pakistan is a Wahhabi country. Iran is trying to get nukes, as is Saudis Arabia (and may be because of that). Haven't you read the reports that the Saudi is trying to get nukes form Pakistan? Both Saudi and the Pakis are Wahhabis, they are the enemy. Why are we in bed with them? Certainly anyone who does not point the difference between the Radical Islam (Wahhabism) and the rest of Islam is guilty of betrayal (of the moderates) and coverup (of the radicals).


After your previous BS, I now believe

It's a liberal trait to start insults when faced with the truth.

[silversky]

I'm pro-Chechen too. Every peaceful Chechen has my sympathy. But the gang that ruled Chechnya 1996-2000 was a gang of murderous Wahhabis. They are in bed with the Talliban. Wahhabis did 9/11. You are obviously blinded by hatred and nationalism. And that is dangerous. Do you support the "Aztlan now" crowd? Well, I have to tell you, there are nationalistic Mexicans who want to carve another country out of the US. I guess you would fit right with them. Not every crackpot hippie that screams "independence" is right. Most of them bring a lot of misery to themselves and others. And it happens in the future , not in the past.

You might thing that since you have been at the spot you know more. This is hubris. Others have also been there and elsewhere and know a lot more. I'm afraid your observations are quite superficial.

[El Gato]

What are a people who do not have the firepower to strike back supposed to do?

There are lots of things. The most effective is targeted attacks on the leadership of the occuppying or oppressing powers. They are the "center of mass", not innocent civilians. Attacking innocents only gives the other side an excuse to attack you even more ruthlessly.

[El Gato]

RDX forms the base for the following common military explosives:

Not to mention Semtex, the "explosive of choice" of terrorists, especially state sponsered or supported ones. But there is so much of it floating around from Soviet and former Soviet block sources( It comes originally from Czechoslavkia, which no longer exists) that the terrorists have little trouble procuring it.

[mil-vet]

On the other hand, it seems clear that the only way to "fix" the terrorist problem is to eradicate all terrorists and all gov'ts which support same.

Doesn't sound right, but as an infidel, I can see no other alternative. As long as muslims continue to prove, daily, worldwide, that they are hell-bent to kill everyone they disagree with, then they are getting what they are asking for, kinda like reaping what THEY are sowing......