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1,000 May Be Held at Russian School
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Posted on 09/03/2004 12:07:10 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

1,000 May Be Held at Russian School
01:34 AM EST - September 03, 2004

CLICK TO ENLARGE - A soldier carries a baby and a woman holds a child after being released by militants in Beslan, North Ossetia, Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004. Heavily-armed militants released at least 31 women and children on Thursday from the provincial Russian school where they are holding more than 350 hostages for the second straight day, officials said. (AP Photo/Sergey Ponomarev)

The Associated Press


BESLAN, Russia

Camouflage-clad commandos carried crying babies away from a school where gunmen holding hundreds of hostages freed at least 26 women and children Thursday during a second day of high drama that kept crowds of distraught relatives on edge.

Two new accounts emerged, meanwhile, that the militants were holding at least 1,000 children, teachers and parents inside the school, far more than previously thought.

Russian officials had said that about 350 people were being held by raiders who seized the school in the North Ossetian city of Beslan on Wednesday. But a teacher who was among at least 26 women and children released on Thursday disputed that, according to a report published Friday.

"On television they say that there are 350 of us. That's not right. There's not less than 1,500 in the school," the respected newspaper Izvestia quoted the woman as saying on condition of anonymity.

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In addition, local legislator Azamat Kadykov told a meeting packed with worried relatives and friends Friday that the number of hostages was "more or less 1,000."

The reports could not immediately be confirmed, but the woman who spoke with Izvestia said that some 1,000 children were enrolled at the school, and the militants had captured teachers and many parents as well when they invaded the building Tuesday during a ceremony to celebrate the start of the new school year.

As the names of the freed hostages were read over a loudspeaker Thursday, men and women wept with disappointment or hugged each other with relief. Some of the toddlers released were naked, apparently because of the stifling heat in the school, where the hostage-takers refused to allow authorities to deliver water, food and medicine for the captives.

Tensions had risen earlier when the militants fired grenades at two cars near the compound ringed by security forces, and later two grenade blasts interrupted a nervous calm during the night.

Another explosion roared on Friday morning, as Kadykov and Leonid Rosahal, a pediatrician who has been involved in the negotiations, spoke to the crowd of worried residents.

Roshal told parents that all the children inside were alive. As he spoke, parents frantically scribbled names of their children on paper and tried to pass them to the doctor. Others began calling out names, begging for information about their loved ones.

"They want hysteria from us," Roshal said, trying to calm the increasingly desperate crowd. "Our strength is in (our) composure and good sense."

President Vladimir Putin said everything possible would be done to end the "horrible" crisis and save the lives of the children and adults being held at School No. 1 in Beslan, a town in the southern region of North Ossetia.

But it was uncertain how much either side was willing to give to avoid further bloodshed in the siege - the latest incident in a series of violent attacks believed linked to Russia's war in Chechnya. A dozen people were reported killed by the attackers when the school was captured Wednesday, but one official said Thursday that 16 died.

Reports after the standoff began Wednesday said the attackers demanded the release of people jailed after attacks on police posts in June that killed more than 90 people in Ingushetia, a region between North Ossetia and Chechnya. But officials said Thursday that the hostage-takers had not clearly formulated their demands.

Late Thursday, Lev Dzugayev, a North Ossetian official, said his previous statement that 354 hostages were seized Wednesday might have been too low, and many in the anxious crowds said they believed the number was much higher. "Putin: at least 800 people are being held hostage," read a sign held up for television cameras.

Valery Andreyev, chief of the regional office of the Federal Security Service, meanwhile said that contacts with the hostage-takers had resumed Friday morning, following an overnight suspension, but stopped again.

Relatives, friends and neighbors who crowded outside barricades blocking access to the school gasped when the hostage release was announced by Dzugayev, an aide to the president of North Ossetia.

Dzugayev and other officials said 26 women and children of various ages were released, but Russian media reported that one woman went back to be with her still-captive children. An official at the crisis headquarters said another group of five hostages was let go separately.

An Associated Press Television News reporter saw two women and at least three infants being led away by soldiers. Some toddlers among those released were completely naked, apparently because of the heat.

Dzugayev called the releases "the first success" of negotiations and said they came after mediation - including inside the school - by Ruslan Aushev, a former president of the Ingushetia republic who is a respected figure in the northern Caucasus.

The hostage release came after anxieties were sent soaring by two powerful explosions, followed by a plume of black smoke rising from the vicinity of the school. The crisis headquarters said the militants fired grenades at two cars that apparently drove too close to the building. Officials said neither car was hit, but a gutted car was visible not far from the school.

Thursday evening, a series of heavy thuds that sounded like artillery could be heard for several minutes, apparently coming from an area northwest of town. There was no information on what caused the sounds.

Two grenade blasts were heard early Friday, and the Interfax news agency reported a policeman was injured. One projectile exploded on a street several hundred yards from the school and another hit in a yard, witnesses said. Dzugayev said that the hostage-takers told Russian authorities they fired because they saw suspicious movement and that officials told them there was no such movement.

Any hint of violence put people on edge. After seizing the school, the militants reportedly threatened to blow it up if troops tried to rescue the hostages and warned they would kill prisoners if any of their gang was hurt. Authorities estimated 15 to 24 militants held the school.

In his first public comments on the crisis, Putin pledged to do everything possible to rescue the hostages.

"Our main task is, of course, to save the lives and health of those who became hostages," Putin said in televised comments during a meeting at the Kremlin with visiting Jordanian King Abdullah II. "All actions of our forces working on the hostages' release will be devoted and be subject to this task exclusively."

Two major hostage-taking raids by Chechen rebels outside the war-torn region in the past decade prompted forceful Russian rescue operations that led to many deaths. The most recent, the seizure of a Moscow theater in 2002, ended after a knockout gas was pumped into the building, debilitating the captors but causing almost all of the 129 hostage deaths.

Andreyev, the Federal Security Service's chief in North Ossetia, seemed to rule out the use of force against the hostage-takers.

"There is no alternative to dialogue," he told the ITAR-Tass news agency. "One should expect long and tense negotiations."

The militants' identity was also murky.

Dzugayev said the attackers might be from Chechnya or Ingushetia. Law enforcement sources in North Ossetia and Ingushetia, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the attackers were believed to include Chechens, Ingush, Russians and a North Ossetian suspected of participating in the Ingushetia violence.

Russia was on edge following the nearly simultaneous bombings on two jetliners last week, a suicide bombing in Moscow on Tuesday and the school siege.

The upsurge in violence has been a blow to Putin, who pledged five years ago to crush Chechnya's rebels but instead has seen the insurgents increasingly strike civilian targets beyond the republic's borders.



By MIKE ECKEL Associated Press Writer



TOPICS: Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: caucasus; invasion; islam; ossetia; terrorism; war
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To: Iris7

Don't think so? I'd snap. For sure. I'd kill those animals everywhere I thought they might be. Returning the remains of the bodies to family...with the cliche pig parts stuffed into orifices.

Then kill that family too. They raised the b*stards.

A kinder war is not an option. Islam must go. Forever.


81 posted on 09/03/2004 1:33:23 AM PDT by 1_Inch_Group
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To: nw_arizona_granny
I am not all that brave. Maybe more than some, less than others. Old Viet Nam boy. Don't worry, Ma'am, there are lots and lots of good men in this country. We will do what is needful.

Trade places? Never thought about it. I was thinking more about getting a bunch of tiny radios into that school, the kind used when the Japanese Embassy was taken over by Leftist killers some years back. Some guns. A bunch of fragmentation grenades. Report back to the Spetznatz laddies outside the exact position of each hostage and each walking dead man target. Never waste yourself. Spend yourself wisely.Besides, those killers want the children. That is why they took the school. They want to kill those kids mean and then throw the bodies out in the street.

Begging your pardon, Ma'am.

82 posted on 09/03/2004 1:33:56 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Democracy" assumes every opinion is equally valid. No one believes this is true.)
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To: Travis McGee
Mecca is that pain threshold. They love death, death means nothing. But they fear losing the black moon-god rock.

Let's see just how much they love death and how much love they can handle. Take 10,000 Chechens, put them in a concentration camp and then tell the terrorists "now we talk.' Talks don't go well, the 10,000 get machine gunned until they're meat paste. Then start over with 20,000. Lather, rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat. If all the hostages are killed, all remaining Chechens get transfered to the old Soviet gulags in Siberia.
83 posted on 09/03/2004 1:34:08 AM PDT by jaykay (diagonally parked in a parallel universe)
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To: MarMema
This is probably older news. Several chechen women took some adult men as hostages and blew themselves up holding onto the men. Killed about 20 adult male hostages. Just reported, apparently, by one of the women released recently.

They're asking now for bodies to be sent out.

84 posted on 09/03/2004 1:36:50 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

85 posted on 09/03/2004 1:38:42 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

See you tomorrow. The world will have a few less mujahadeen this time tomorrow also.


86 posted on 09/03/2004 1:40:23 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home - Georgia Democrat Zell Miller)
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To: MarMema

And no children have been killed, according to the pediatrician.


87 posted on 09/03/2004 1:40:23 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: RussianConservative

Help. What is smertnitsu?


88 posted on 09/03/2004 1:41:07 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Iris7

Yes, I do understand what is going on in that building.

They will throw out the heads first.

It would be sheer death to volunteer to enter that building,
and I doubt the terrorists would allow fresh men to enter the building.

Of course we have many brave men, in many countries.

I have no doubt that you would do whatever was needed, at the time it was needed.

The problem is with the ones who are not brave.


89 posted on 09/03/2004 1:44:53 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group
Putin will not snap. He has iron self control. His revenge will be very serious, not impulsive. There will not be a Moslem in the world who will not rue this day for the rest of his life, however long that is. (Hehe, "hope I die before I get old", old Who song.)

Me, I am more the impulsive sort of guy. What goes through my head is not practical, but would certainly convince more than a few liberals that I should be locked up immediately if not executed just in the interest of public safety!
90 posted on 09/03/2004 1:45:43 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Democracy" assumes every opinion is equally valid. No one believes this is true.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group
Putin will not snap. He has iron self control. His revenge will be very serious, not impulsive. There will not be a Moslem in the world who will not rue this day for the rest of his life, however long that is. (Hehe, "hope I die before I get old", old Who song.)

Me, I am more the impulsive sort of guy. What goes through my head is not practical, but would certainly convince more than a few liberals that I should be locked up immediately if not executed just in the interest of public safety!
91 posted on 09/03/2004 1:45:44 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Democracy" assumes every opinion is equally valid. No one believes this is true.)
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To: Happy2BMe
There is a breaking point. We are only human. These are children for heaven's sake. I don't think we can treat such a treat any more lightly than we can treat a crazed animal. As parents, as a people, we may be compelled to deal with this threat in much the same way.
92 posted on 09/03/2004 1:47:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MarMema
Basayev
93 posted on 09/03/2004 1:48:09 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Iris7

Double post, sorry.

Everybody keep the rhetoric under control. Does our cause no good.


94 posted on 09/03/2004 1:50:40 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Democracy" assumes every opinion is equally valid. No one believes this is true.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; Happy2BMe; BrooklynGOP; RussianConservative

The one thing Putin wants to avoid here is a repeat of Budennovsk. Since this is Basayev behind the scenes, he knows to step out carefully.


95 posted on 09/03/2004 1:52:08 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Iris7
This is classic Basayev in action. Refusing food and water, taking very vulnerable hostages, laying mines around the outside of the building.

Russia has played this game before and will approach it differently this time. But at least they know who they are battling now.

96 posted on 09/03/2004 1:55:05 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: brigette
What the hell are we going to do if they take a large school of little kids hostage here in the USA?

It's not that hard to think of what to do, but for some reason it's hard to bring ourselves to do it. We no longer have the killer instict, the vicious streak, that eneabled us to slaughter our enemies by the millions in previous wars.

If a large school full of children is taken hostage by muslims, we should round up all muslims and place them in a concentration camp. Call it a concentration camp, not a relocation area or other Orwell-speak. Bring in bulldozers, dig long trenches, line up the prisoners on the edges of the trenches, bring in soldiers with machine guns, then contact the hostage takers and tell them we're ready to talk. The terms: all the hostages released within 30 minutes or we start reducing our Islamic population 10,000 at a time. If the hostages are all killed, the prisoners are also.
97 posted on 09/03/2004 1:55:26 AM PDT by jaykay (diagonally parked in a parallel universe)
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To: Happy2BMe

Btw, Budennovsk was 1600 people held hostage.


98 posted on 09/03/2004 1:57:05 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Happy2BMe

Bookmark for later.


99 posted on 09/03/2004 1:57:30 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: MarMema

100 posted on 09/03/2004 1:59:16 AM PDT by MarMema
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